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| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 419 Registered: 3-2004 |
I just have to say this, that IF they were God's remnant church, people would not be attracted to it because of the way the SDA companies treat them. I know I would not be and any one with any sense would not be attracted to it. IF they were the "remnant" church, they sure are not being the example God would want them to be. They are not even being a Christian example, but I forget. They are a cult. God is in charge and He is awesome. Diana | ||
| Raven Registered user Username: Raven Post Number: 17 Registered: 7-2004 |
It just dawned on me why Little Debbie desserts are okay for a church with a health message. Apparently, there are degrees of sin when disregarding the health message; Ellen White never said a person could not be translated if they ate suger, chocolate and hydrogenated vegetable oils. She only said that about meat, which also means no lard. So you can still be a pretty good SDA and have Little Debbies. | ||
| Vchowdhury1 Registered user Username: Vchowdhury1 Post Number: 9 Registered: 7-2004 |
Pw, I am not surprised that SDA's will push for not eating JUNK, for health reasons, but own a company that SELLS the same JUNK. SDA's have always been inconsistant. For example, when I was growing up SDA, I used the ask my mom (who is still staunch SDA)why we could't wear jewelry? She said that it was a matter of pride. We should not do or wear anything that brings attention to ourselves. Then why the heck (pardon my French) is it okay for SDA pastors to live in mansions, drive expensive Mercedes Benz, wear Rolex watches, etc. Isn't this calling attention to themselves??? Also, I used to ask them why it was wrong to go to the movies, but it was not wrong to subscribe to HBO, Cinemax, etc (I grew up with these cable channels in our house). Don't they show the same type of movies????? This is just the many inconsistancies of SDA's. Forgive me, but these inconsistancies over the years have showed me that most SDA beliefs are nothing but "Hot Air" and "Gas". Thats why I left after 35 years. And, believe me when I say that most SDA's also see these inconsistancies, but they have been so rooted into the SDA belief system that they are to afraid to take a stand for fear that they will be critized as being "rebellious". | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 542 Registered: 12-2003 |
Raven, Good point! I hadn't quite put it together that way. The translation warning only applies to meat! Why, then, the equally strong strictures against caffeine? Or perhaps that grew out of the temperance movement--which, BTW, was not just an Adventist phenomenon. Who knows? Goodness, I'm thankful to be in Christ and not in Adventism! I just talked to a friend of mine who still teaches at an SDA institution (although they know she is former). She said, "The farther away from Adventism I get, the more twisted it looks. The problems are not just in what the church SAYS; they also lie in what it does NOT say." It sure feels good to reflect "out loud" with others who have experienced the same dissonance! Praise God for calling us to Himself and for redeeming the past! Colleen | ||
| Esther Registered user Username: Esther Post Number: 44 Registered: 5-2004 |
Boy do all your comments make me smile. Remembering all the "this is ok, that is not"'s make me so glad to know that Christ came to bring freedom. Freedom to serve Him with a clear conscious without being distracted from all the "checks" of a religious system! And it's so true, (I think I say it everyday) that the farther I get from Adventism, the more obserd and synister is appears. Praise forever to the God of Love! | ||
| Pw Registered user Username: Pw Post Number: 95 Registered: 6-2004 |
Here's a question for you guys! Where do sugar substitutes like Nutra Sweet or Splenda stand on the SDA agenda? | ||
| Ladylittle Registered user Username: Ladylittle Post Number: 40 Registered: 4-2004 |
Depends on who you talk to. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 422 Registered: 3-2004 |
I have to agree with Esther about Christ came to free us. No more this is good, that is bad, you won't go to heaven if you eat that or do that. Hallelujah, we are free from all that. Diana | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 137 Registered: 4-2000 |
A well-known SDA family fitness center here in Lincoln makes its money very successfully by promoting tennis and other racquet sports. They are prominent members of ASI as well. Of course, as you may remember, Ellen White strongly denounced the game of tennis. Again, Seventh-day Adventists repeatedly and conveniently ignore the counsels of their beloved church mother whenever the dollar sign interfers. In the Lincoln SDA community, I have never heard of even one comment against this Adventist business promoting, teaching, and playing tennis. Adventists seem to be most proud of their financial success and prominence in the community. On the other hand, most SDAs do not even know that Ellen White condemned tennis. The only reason that they don't know this is because they have not been reading her books diligently. For this fact, praise the Lord, I am most pleased. Dennis J. Fischer | ||
| Bb Registered user Username: Bb Post Number: 11 Registered: 7-2004 |
Can you all just imagine what Ellen White would condemn if she lived in this day and age! Think of what she would think of computers or nintendo!! Since she was from the Victorian age we still have the historic adventists thinking that bicycles and cards are a sin. Instead of relying on the Holy Spirit, they look through her books to see if this or that is "ok". I think that we are to rely on the Holy Spirit to guide us, not her!!! I just think it is so ridiculous, like SAU not allowing pepper or mustard in their cafeteria because of her old (copied) writings. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 424 Registered: 3-2004 |
Dennis, I agree with you about the SDAs not reading EGW's books. I bought them for a course taught at the church I attended in 1969/70. After that I did not read them, so I did not know about what she said. I am so thankful I did not read them and those I did read I forget most of what I read. Praise God for that. Diana | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 825 Registered: 11-2002 |
My dad, bless his dear heart, was born into and raised SDA. He passed away two years ago at age 93. He told me EGW said it was a sin to ride a bicycle. He finily asked a SDA minister what is wrong with bicycles. The minister told him EGW did not mean all her do's and don't's to be taken literally. What she ment was we are not to follow the fads and put our enjoyment and money and lusts above The Truth of teaching the # Angels Message, etc. I think the SDA minister just had to come up with something on the spot so him and his beloved EGW didn't seem so dumb. | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 139 Registered: 4-2000 |
Bb, Great insight about Adventists looking through Ellen White's books to see if this or that is ok instead of being led by the Holy Spirit. Dennis J. Fischer | ||
| Pw Registered user Username: Pw Post Number: 96 Registered: 6-2004 |
This is the first time I ever heard about tennis being condemned by EGW. No wonder they keep that one undercover because I think they would lose a lot of members if that was exposed in the limelight. I recall certain SDA kids that took karate during their childhood years and that was not a problem. I have to agree with Bb, imagine what would be considered wrong by todays standards. I think many electronics would be off limits. Imagine trying to hold a job and yet not being able to have anything to do with a computer because of the internet leading into "wordly fun". You might as well start an SDA/ Amish sect. | ||
| Tealeaves Registered user Username: Tealeaves Post Number: 119 Registered: 5-2004 |
Bicycles were frowned upon by EGW too, if I remember correctly. And wigs (because they heated the base of the skull which inflamed carnal lusts.) Dresses were to be worn to the ankle and to the wrist, double thickness, if I remember correctly. (I know someone that other SDAs joke about as having "gone EGW" because she dresses this way. Just like their allegiance to the Old COvenant, they pick out parts of her and of the OC that they want to keep, and parts to throw away, and then look down on those who don't do the exact same as they do. | ||
| Pw Registered user Username: Pw Post Number: 98 Registered: 6-2004 |
Reading what Susan-2 wrote about the SDA minister saying that not all EGW's do's and don't shouldn't all be taken literally. Well, how do they know which ones are to be taken lierally and which one aren't? C'mon, it's so obvious that they only follow what they like and dismiss what they don't. Modern day hypocrites. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 546 Registered: 12-2003 |
Dennis, your post above made me laugh! So true! It quite amazing, isn't it? Here's a woman (well, she's actually dead, but...) who's a prophet, yet even those who live by her admit her teachings don't make sense, must be interpreted, were principles for her time, etc--yet they absolutely CANNOT see that she is a FALSE prophet. I know--I was there myself for years. The self-deception is astonishing. I mean, we have the Bible's clear word (oh, my goodness--no pun intended!) about what constitutes a false prophet. We have admitted false prophets such as Joseph Smith and Charles Tayes Russell as examples, and then we have Ellen who is "inspired" but misguided--exactly where does the confusion come from? Again, I can only conclude that Satan is the author of deception. A satanic claim rests on Adventism, and Adventists are truly deceived--unless they're dishonest. Praise God that his calling and election are sure, and He has called us into the light! I pray we will honor Him and allow Him to reveal truth through our lives. Colleen | ||
| Pw Registered user Username: Pw Post Number: 106 Registered: 6-2004 |
Someone please explain to me what was so wrong with riding a bicycle according to EGW? | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 552 Registered: 12-2003 |
AS I understand it, they were fairly new contraptions then, and very expensive. God's people, you know, needed not to be the first to follow fashion nor the last (so EGW said--er, plagiarized), and they were to be circumspect with their money--read that, generous with the church. Colleen | ||
| Thomas1 Registered user Username: Thomas1 Post Number: 133 Registered: 4-2002 |
From memory, she also spoke against, Cricket, Baseball, and even picnics, among other time consuming pursuits. It's no wonder she was never pictured with a smile. <>< Thomas |
