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Loneviking
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Posted on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 - 11:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Speakeasy,
Well, since you seem o.k. with verbal inspiration lets go back to the Psalms and see what they are saying.

You've asked 'how would I interpet what Psalms is saying for me today if I don't believe in the commdments'?

My answer is that we interpret 'commandments' to mean those commands given to the Christian church in the New Testament. There is no reason for us not to agree with David when he says 'thy law is truth'...because the law under which David lived was truth for him, and the law under which we live now is truth for us.

What you missed is that God didn't change, but what changed everything was the cross. Christ defeated death and sin. Christ was given the keys to death and Hades. The atonement, bringing man back into fellowship with God, had occurred.

The problem with the old law (Torah) is that there is no way that a written form of law can account for every possible event. The will of God does not always follow the written law.

Take a look at Matt. 12:3-5:
Jesus is speaking here: 'But He said to them, "Have you not read what David did when he became hungry, he and his companions, how he entered the house of God, and they ate the consecrated bread, which was not lawful for him to eat nor for those with him, for the the priests alone?" "Or have you not read in the Law, that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple break the Sabbath and are innocent?"

Here are two examples where individuals broke the Torah, and yet they were not outside the will of God. The will of God is so much greater than any written law. When, in the fullness of time, God accomplished the atonement then the tutor (the Torah) had to go. There was no need for it now that Christ had won and had sent the indwelling Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit now works to reveal the will of God to us.

Yes, there is still obedience--to the commands of the New Testament and to the inner promptings of the Holy Spirit. Hebrews 8 says that the Sinai covenant is old, obsolete, passing away. Hebrews 9 identifies beyond doubt that this is the Sinai covenant as the tables of stone are mentioned. Something had to take the place of the Old Covenant and something did. A New Covenant with a living Way into the Holy of Holies.

Is this making sense to you? Questions? We're all pulling for you Speakeasy, just be patient and keep praying. God won't let you down........

Bill
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Posted on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 6:12 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Loneviking please slow down.

You said: "how would I interpet what Psalms is saying for me today if I don't believe in the commdments'?

My answer is that we interpret 'commandments' to mean those commands given to the Christian church in the New Testament."

Who is we? When Psalms was written the commandments had nothing to do with the christian church in the New Testament. The Church and the New Testament had not even happened yet. So when David and I may be wrong. When he wrote Psalms he knew about Jesus and the church at the time he wrote this? This logic of saying the word Commandment when David wrote the word Commandment now means "Commandments given to the church" does not match up with any concordence or Targum at all. Were do you get this from? I am not arguing with you I just don't understand were you got this. I need to see it.
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Posted on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 12:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Speakeasy, I understand what you're asking. One day in a sermon, our pastor read from the Psalms including one of David's statements about loving God's law. The pastor (who is well-versed both in Hebew and Greek) explained "Law" meant "the word of God". Indeed, the word of God to David WAS the Torah.

But God had not yet finished giving mankind His word. In John 1:1-2 it says, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning." Jesus Himself is called the Word. The Bible, all of it, is the inspired word of God.

Today, when we read the Psalms and hear David saying he loves God's law, we can understand him to be saying, "I love your word, God. I honor your word. It is my delight." We can also understand that to be true for ourselves, but we can also know that Jesus has fulfilled that law, that word of God in the Torah, and has explicitly revealed the Father to us IN HIS OWN PERSON. Jesus said, if you know me, you know the Father.

Today when we read, "I love your law," we can understand even more completely what David knew to a lesser degree: God's word to us is the source of life, of truth, of practice, of the knowledge of God. Today, God's "law" is ALL of Scripture, including the New Testament. Jesus revealed the true meaning of the the law. He revealed the Father. He accomplished salvation. We have to read even the Psalms through New Testament understandings. Without Jesus, we would be left with merely symbolic words and ceremonies. With Jesus, we know exactly what the Torah was requireing and explaining.

Loneviking's explanation of the New Covenant above was a good explanation of how a New Testament understanding interprets the Old Testament.

Colleen
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Posted on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 12:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Colleen I love your patience with me. You and other people on the forum are great. Were do we get the idea now that in Psalms that the word Law when it was written Does not mean the Mosiac Law but now means "Word" If this is true then Paul when He said "When the Word (Law) came I was an unhappy man" Paul in using your idea of the word Law in Psalms now means "Word" Paul is saying that "The word (Law) of God mad him an unhappy man" This could mean that Paul does not want and like God word. But we Know this is not true.

Point me a different Direction on how to understand what you mean. I would think it would be better to just say that the word Law in Psalms means "the Mosiac Law" It is backed up by all Concordences and any study that this is what the word "Law" means "Mosiac Law" and nothing else and just leave it at that. You have to agree when the book of Psalms was written that it was under the Mosaic Law and the Law was in full force. And David when writting Psalms when he wrote the word law he had to mean the mosaic law. It could be no other word. So to change Gods inspired word to say anything else just does not make biblical since. I am probably wrong. But I will at least agree with you for now.

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Posted on Thursday, June 24, 2004 - 7:37 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

When David wrote the Psalms, the word 'law' did refer to the Mosaic law. Colleen and I are not saying that this isn't true. What we are saying is that a New Testament Christian can read this same passage and understand that the 'Word of God' means (today) much more than what David knew. 'Application' is what this process is called----in other words, what does this mean for me today.

As for Paul, again, you have to read in context. Paul is an apostle, living under and writing about the New Covenant and the differences between the Old and New Covenant. Once you have the context down, then you can understand why Paul writes that the Law (Torah) made him an unhappy man. The reason was that he (and no one else either) could keep the law perfectly.

Keep in mind also that you are dealing with two different types of writing. Pauls writing is a teaching letter that can be read and applied literally. The Psalms are poetry which express truth using poetic language. So, in Psalms you have to do a bit more interpreting because of the type of writing that it is.

Clear as mud?
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Posted on Thursday, June 24, 2004 - 10:13 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Exactly, Bill. Speakeasy, when Paul wrote that when the law came, he became an unhappy man (Romans 7:9) he was talking about his reaction to the law once he had encountered Christ, had been converted, and suddenly saw the law through born-again eyes. Before his conversion, he had cruelly upheld his (twisted) interpretation of the law, supposing he loved it. (Unlike David, who loved the law becaue he loved God and understood the law to be God's personal communication to him, Paul loved Judaism more than God. This love of Judaism caused Paul to manipulate the law in order to justify his own murderous ambitions.)

When Paul was converted, however, he suddenly had a new experience--an experience even David had not had: he was filled with the Holy Spirit. His spirit was made new; he had become a child of God. He was intimately connected with the Father. Now, he discovered, he was saved--but he still had his natural flesh, his still-unredeemed body which continued to pull him back to sin.

Romans 7 describes the agony of becoming born again, discovering that the demands of the law are ndeed just and righteous, but also discovering that one CANNOT keep that law, even when he is born again. In fact, becoming born again makes the weakness of one's natural flesh even more despicable to him because he now wants to live for God and to honor Him with his decisions and actions. What Paul discovered was what we all discover: we learn that the law's demands are righteous, but we cannot keep them. The law has absolutely no power to change our natural flesh into sinless flesh. The law, as Paul says in Romans 8:3, is powerless to free us from sin because it's inhibited by our naturally sinful flesh--which our redeemed spirits still inhabit!

This reality is why Paul says he died when the law came. It was only after he encountered the living Christ that Paul really realized the intent and the demands of the law. It was only after his personal meeting of Jesus that he understood he had been a hopeless law-breaker instead of a law-keeper as he had imagined he was. He became aware of the law's curse on sin, and he realized for the first time how deep his sin had been--and how hopeless he still was in his natural flesh to obey the law.

Chapter 8 presents the answer to this dilemma Paul faces. It's by learning to live by the Holy Spirit who has already brought his sirit to life that he can achieve righteousness. His body is still flesh; it's still naturlaly sinful and weak. But his spirit is redeemed, and instead of trying to get himself to obey the law, now Paul has to learn to surrender each circumstance to the Holy Spirit instead. Instead of struggling with sins, he now has to release his struggles and desires to Jesus. He has to surrender and allow God miraculously to give him new strength, power, and desires. These things do not come from looking to the law. These things come from literally releasing one's grip on "being good" and obeying and instead trusting Jesus, surrendering oneself to the love of Jesus.

The same law--the Mosaic law--which David loved because it was God's word to him and outlined the way a holy life should look--that same law takes on a different appearance in the reality of Christ's finished work. Before Jesus, that law offered the only hope from anarchy and total self-indulgence and vigilante justice. It brought order and a revelation of a sovereign God who held all things in His hand. It re-introduced a knowledge of God to a nearly-godless world. But it was only a preliminary knowledge. It prepared the world for the more complete revelation of Jesus.

Paul could look at that same law after the New Testament experience of being filled with the Holy Spirit and see that the law had severe limitations. It condemend sin in him, but it had no power to prevent him from desiring sin. (By the way, it had no power to prevent David from desiring sin, either. David could simultaneously love God's law and commit adultery, murder, have bad relationships with his kids, etc.) Paul, however, was born again and realized the law told him the same things it told David, but Paul realized he needed more than the law.

In fact, he HAD more than the law--he had the Holy Spirit. Now Paul understood that his conviction of his innate sinfulness and his new desire to serve God needed new power to resolve his anxiety. He needed tolearn to live by looking to Jesus, surrendering to and listening to the Holy Spirit, and release his obsession with the law. The law had served its purpose: it had convicted him of his deep, incurable sinfulness. Now he needed the divine power of the Holy Spirit to live a life honoring to God.

Yes, Speakeasy--it's the same law, but Paul sees it from a perspective of being connected by the new birth to the Father. David saw it from a perspective of one who honored God but had not experienced Pentecost. To David, the law outlined a life of order, righteousness, respect, and civility as opposed to the pagan, self-serving anarchy around him. Paul saw it as the shadow leading to Christ, and he experienced it as the tool of God which defined his sin. Now he needed to live in the power of Jesus which set him free from the power of sin.

Praise God for Jesus!
Colleen
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Posted on Thursday, June 24, 2004 - 10:58 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

All I was saying loneviking is. When you start to change out words and meanings of a text. And change words and meanings to fit what you want them to do. This is the same thing that an SDA does or my Jehovah Witness friend does this all the time.

But to say through Christian eye's since he has died for all. That we can go back into the Torah or the Old Testament and now say that we can switch words to fit an "Application" goes against what the actual content of that passage is teaching. I see this all the time when I talk to my J.W. friend and now as you know. To make the J.W. Believe that they have more authority they went ahead and published there own translation of the bible. Just as the SDA have printed there study bible the Clear Word .

It is still better when you read the word "Law" just leave it at that and not apply that now the word means "Word" We have better scripture to build on than doing that. How did John start out his book "In the beginning there was the word and the word became...." You know the rest. You don't have to go to the Old Testament and change words. It does sound better to apply to what we want to hear. But we can use other scripture in it's context to nail down what we want to state and make a point rather than doing this. This is what I ment earlyer when you hear Good Pastors and Preachers and Teachers. will use the Old Testament for a point they want to make and just skip over or change or delete part of a passage to make something fit.

Loneviking I will have to admit your point is clear on what you mean. But I can not change something that was inspired by God at one time and then change it to something else.
And of course I am probably wrong on all of this.

speakeasy
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Posted on Thursday, June 24, 2004 - 11:07 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A question that keeps coming up in my mind is "How were people saved before the Messiah came then? Were they saved by works?"

I thought they were saved by faith in the coming Mesiah?
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Posted on Thursday, June 24, 2004 - 1:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Read Hebrews 11...faith has always been the way...
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Posted on Thursday, June 24, 2004 - 2:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

:-) Yes Melissa, I agree!

If the law was not the way people were saved in OT times, then why would the law get in the way of being saved in NT times?

This is a question I've been asked several times recently.
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Posted on Thursday, June 24, 2004 - 4:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The law was the way that the Jews exercised or showed their faith in the covenant that God had made with them. The sacrifices and the yearly atonement had to be done or there wasn't a penalty paid for sin.

This is why Hebrews mentions 'a better sacrifice', which was Christ. All of the various sacrifices no longer have to be done and what is left is just the faith component. Also, this is why 'law' (which was fulfilled) and faith don't mix.
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Posted on Thursday, June 24, 2004 - 4:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Speakeasy, your complaint has been that 70% of the Bible isn't applicable to Christians today. I just showed you how to take an Old Testament text and bring new understanding too it through the further revelations of the New Testatment.
I did so by admitting the original use of the word 'law', and then exploring what 'law' means to we Christians today given the teaching of the apostles.

If that sort of application bothers you, you might want to look through the New Testament and write down all of the times that texts from the Old Testament were used and 'interpreted' through the New Covenant context. I think you'll be surprised at how relevant the Old Testament can be to believers!

Bill
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Posted on Thursday, June 24, 2004 - 6:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No doubt I would.
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So you are still saying that it is better to change words around to make the passage fit the way a christian believes? Or would it be better to leave the interpretation or application to the way God originaly put it in his word.

To apply scripture to our lives is great and okay. But to change words from what they mean to another. Is exactly what the SDA do and the Jehovah Witness does. There is YES all throughout the New Testament. The writters would go back and forth from the Old Testament to the day they were in. To show the Gentiles and etc. That the Messiah has come.

But to me Loneviking. to me it is better to leave the Bible alone as it is. And not change the things. The way God put these words in the bible is good enough for me. If you want to do that. That is okay. It helps you grow and get what you need for your walk with God. I am not making fun of you or trying to trap you into an arguement. But I myself can not chnage things that God put into his word. That's all I am saying.

But isn't it funny. I get all over you about this subject. But I still have much problems with what many on the forum say "The Covenants" and not going against what God has wrote in his word. Each person is at a different leval of walk with God. You are no doubt a person that has a more indepth relationship with God than I do. I am more shallow and skiptical. You are more bolder and out spoken. On the other hand I am more of a person that says "Prove it to me by scripture" You are more being driven by the Holy Spirit" I am more what people say "Not Driven by the Holy Spirit" but a person that needs to see things from the bible. All people are at a different stage with God. All people do not see everybody's views. But all people will see my weekness. I am picking on myself because I don't want to on anybody else because I do not know you. I have people out and out tell me I am for ever lost and I will go to Hell. And have a first class ticket for the first bus load. All because I will tell people my fears and dis-trust in what I am being told. That is a weekness of mine. Because at this time since I have been lied to by the SDA and then the Jehovah Witness and a few other denominations. I myself have to be proven by the scripture. That things are so. So I get a little touchy when people will try to change things. And I do not mean to do this. But I in doing this have hurt people's feeling and it is hard for me to even trust God or a church or anybody out there when People tell me I am forever Lost or have commited the Blasphemy sin and can never attain salvation. I have struggled with this for years and to be honest with you I am so close in giving up on ever wanting to be saved and trying to be a christian. It is just to hard to be a christian and understand the bible. To many view points. To many people you hurt when you tell your story of doubt and wonder is the bible correct. Because you don't know if someone has changed it.

I better leave I could write for hours. Thanks for all of your prayers and input. All on this forum have been great mentor's

speakeasy
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Posted on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 8:05 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Speakeasy,
sister, you need to find a church with a really good teaching pastor. Where do you fellowship now?

I understand where you're coming from since I'm an ex-SDA. Please understand though that I'm not advocating changing the meaning of a text. I am in favor of examining the original meaning, comparing that original meaning with the New Testament, and seeing what application can be made CONSISTENT WITH the Old Testament and the New Testament.

But, start looking for a place to fellowship. Try an Evangelical Free Church, Calvary Chapel, or a Baptist church.

Stick with us Speakeasy, we'll help you out.
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Speakeasy, I agree with Loneviking's advice about finding a church with a really good teaching pastor. I believe, however, that the Bible will never make sense to you unless you are willing to completely surrender everything you've ever believed and ask God to teach you, starting from scratch, and to guide your own study of the Bible.

Knowng God is a spiritual experience, not intellectual. He does transform our minds; He does change our thinking. But these tranformations only come when we are willing to surrender our thinking and our knowledge and be willing to be re-taught by God through the Bible. You won't be able to figure it out, Speakeasy. Spiritual things are spiritually discerned, as Paul says in 1 Corinthians 2. You have to be willing to surrender the way you try to learn about God, the things you've already been told about the gospel, your understanding of the Bible--everything. Only when you surrender to Jesus, asking Him to teach you truth and to heal you, will any of the Bible and salvation make sense.

I know it goes against what it seems life should be like, but we do have to surrender our beliefs and our understanding and our control over how we think about God. We have to be willing to let God take us to Himself. We don't do that by analyzing. We do that by trusting him.

With prayers for you,
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At this time I do not go to a church. I have in 4 plus years have been asked to leave 7 churchs 2 out of the 3 denominations that you said to try Loneviking asked me to leave. I have a total of 9 preachers I have had one one one's with. Most over the 4 plus years after I tell them what is on my mind and heart. They never get back with me. Or they say what I have told you in the other posts above. To me at this time I do not trust church's and there bible study's. I have gone to so many of the pastors around Tulsa and all of these things happen and not only happen to me but these things will be said in front of my Brother. I to this day have no clue what churchs are for. I have NO CLUE!!

And Collenn I believe and I maybe wrong. But I think I started on this thread. When does the Holy Spirit come and help a person. When you have excepted Christ as your Messiah? When does that Spirit that is written about in the bible come and help you out????? You say Knowing God is a spiritual experience He transforms our minds and thinking. And it is not an intellectual thing. The bible is all I have at this time. So just the knowledge of what is in the bible is all I have. I have tried the church thing and How does a person grow into what you are saying. When even Pastors and not just 1 or 2 but 5 will tell you "There is no help" "You can not be helped" "You have commited the Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit" How can a person ever trust or even want to to go church ever again. It is very defeating and you want to just give up. You would think in almost 4 years since I have left the Judasim teachings and Sabatarian teachings and have asked God to help me. You would have thought by now (4 Years) something would have happened spiritualy. I have been blessed by God letting me have a job. But the never knowing that I am ever going to Heaven and I get no comfort from any churchs. It life just SUCKS...

But you know what all those churchs that asked me to leave. I can at this moment go back to my Synagogue and be excepted with open arms at this very moment. Why is that???

I can't do anymore than I am doing now for God to help me. My heart ,mind ,soul and money is his. I Can't open my heart and arms any wider than they have been for 4 years. It is up to God to make the next move. I can not force God to help me. If that's not what he wants to do at this time or ever that is his decision. And that is what I am waiting for. For God to make the next move! I am waiting and waiting and waiting.

Thanks for your prayers and talking with me.

Speakeasy

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I am so sorry for being so negative. But this is what I have gone through. As I said before Being a Christian is very hard to do and I guess I should have included being excepted by christians is also a hard thing to as well.

Collenn I have started again for the 3 time from scratch. I am studying Who God is. And is the God of the Bible the real God. I am studying all sides on this and other subjects. I am not going to take peoples words on my life soul decision's ever again. You never get all sides of the topic's when you do. It is always so one sided. This study will take years to do. I hope I can get done before I die.

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Speakeasy, when we are doing something over and over and it isn't working, then we need to realize that there is something wrong with our method.

You have said that being a Christian is hard, knowing God is hard. But we, and apparently many others, have tried to tell you that the scriptures themselves say that it is NOT hard. When you tell me that it is hard, it tells me that you have not yet come to understand who God is. Speakeasy, He is a loving heavenly Father.

A loving father desires for his children to know him. So he doesn't make it hard for them to do so. A loving father does not make it hard for his children to understand what he wants. A loving father doesn't make it hard for his children to hear him. A loving father does not leave his children alone. That is who God is. He is a God who delights in being intimate with His children.

It took me a long time to realize that if the Bible was telling me that living as a Christian was not so terribly hard, but I was having major struggles, then the problem was in me. There was something I was doing or thinking to make it hard. The thing I was doing that made it hard was I was forgetting who God was.

I realized that I had to take Him at his word....that He desired to have me understand. If God was willing to talk, then I had to be willing to listen....and that listening meant that if He said something that didn't fit into my preconceived ideas, didn't fit into what I had been taught in the past, or believed in the past, then I would have to change my thinking.

To listen meant doing exactly what Colleen has said. I had to give up trying to figure out everything at once. God doesn't answer all our questions at once. He has to untangle our thoughts with one, and only one, subject at a time.

Everytime I started getting frustrated trying to figure things out, I had to step back and realize I was having a hard time because I was the one trying to do the figuring out....not God teaching me. Speakeasy, all of us here on this site have had this same experience. You are not alone in your struggle. But if you want to stop having the struggle, then you have got to be willing to listen to the advise that is being given instead of saying BUT!

Gradually I discovered that when I got so frustrated about something, I had to... let it go! Literally willingly sit my question on the shelf and make a concious choice to ignore that question.

Pay attention to that....it is a concious choice you have to make so often it is irritating at first. I agreed with God to pay attention only to the ONE subject he had in front of me. Sometimes it was hard to figure out what that one subject was because I had so many questions that kept coming to me.

I found it helped to keep a journal....not of my questions! but of the scriptures He would place before me while I was reading the Bible or listening to a sermon (that meant that I had to realize that I clearly didn't have the answers since I was the one struggling, I had to go and be around people who seemed to be content in their relationship with God, people who loved the Lord...who had Jesus in their hearts, who were frequently using the New Testament in their preaching. It was humbling thing. See, we have to realize that if WE are miserable, and others are not, then the person with a problem is US, not all the rest of Christians!).

Gradually over time I could look back over these notes and see that there was a trend, a subject, or category that kept coming up. Then I knew this was what God was wanting to talk to me about. Now at times I will find scattered in amongst these verses I had gathered all kinds of support verses for my previous beliefs. These I've learned I've got to ignore to focus on the subject that God has made primary at the moment.

When I do this, when I choose to go with His syllabus, I find an amazing thing happens. Quite suddenly one day out of the blue will come an answer to one of my other questions.

You are not hopeless Speakeasy. But struggling in your own power is. Struggling to understand everything at once is. Look at your last post at all the things you say you are studying. You won't find your answers that way! That is too much struggling and confusion to cut through.

Begin with who God is. You obviously know Him as "law giver". But who else is He? What else do you know about Him? A great place to start might be to study the names of God in their context. Look at what these names tell you about God in relationship! with people. You can't follow the shepherd if you don't think he can be trusted.

Here's some to start with:
Your provider Gn. 22:14
the one who fights your battles Ex. 17:15
the one who gives you peace Judg. 6:24 (this shows that your frustration is NOT from Him!)
the one who is always there Ezek. 48:35
The commander of the hosts of heaven, who uses the hosts to help his children I Sam. 1;3
Speakeasy
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Posted on Saturday, June 26, 2004 - 12:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Lydell;
What I have posted before I can not make myself any clearer in my walk with God.

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