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| Pw Registered user Username: Pw Post Number: 145 Registered: 6-2004 |
Right on again! | ||
| Sabra Registered user Username: Sabra Post Number: 190 Registered: 10-2001 |
"Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever." Be careful, they'll use that one against you. It's just sad, sad. Praise God you can see. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 583 Registered: 3-2004 |
Tracey, You sound like you have a sound foundation in Jesus. So remember that as you continue your relationship with C. SDAs see things through the lens of EGWhite and as you read in the 27 Fundamentals she is held very high in the church. I continue to pray for you and C. Even if he leaves the SDA church, give him space and time to get accostumed to knowing only Jesus before doing any thing else. God will triumph and He is awsome. Diana | ||
| Tracey Registered user Username: Tracey Post Number: 39 Registered: 9-2004 |
Thanks for the advice, Diana. Unfortunately, last night we went through the 27, and many were sound. But when I showed him this one ref. above about her writings being a continuing authoritative source of truth, he defended it (and he wasn't even taught about her!) yet he is defending what "it's really saying is.." I said the only thing continuing is the Word of God, the only truth is Jesus. I said God is as good as his Word b/c He is his word. I said to accept that her writing are a source of truth is to accept that she is equal to her words and only GOD is able to be that. He rebutted that the sentence meant that "even after she's dead, one can use her writings continually." I am so disappointed and sad. He is really in this. His mind is completely seeing it their way. In the same breath, he says the whole belief (is it #17?) should just be taken out. As if that's enough. He's essentially double minded and doesn't even know it. I am sickened. There's nothing I can do. It is a miracle that I have you guys that made it out to talk to or I would give up on believing he would ever come out. | ||
| Melissa Registered user Username: Melissa Post Number: 496 Registered: 7-2003 |
Tracey, I have heard "what that really means..." for five years. What I've come to realize is that they believe in what is called "progressive revelation". As i have come to understand it, they (at least B's world) think that God has continued to reveal "new" truths through time. Therefore, it is no big deal to see EGW, even with her plagarism, as further teaching God's "word" for a new time. B even defends the plagarism saying God showed her where the words were already written out and she just used them as God showed her.... A stretch???? yes. But it seems typical to do anything to "prove" adventism correct. He accepts her saying married couple shouldn't have sex that frequently, though scripture says to "come together frequently" to avoid temptation. I've got a whole list of contradictions that I found long before I found an "anti-adventist" website. He dismissed it all saying I didn't understand what scripture was "really" saying. It would seem, though he would deny it in specific terms, that the Bible does not mean what it says. For example, the logical meaning of words has been assumed (in his opinion) rather than considering the less obvious and rarely used meaning of words, which changes the whole meaning of texts. You can't argue or reason with someone who doesn't trust the word of God for what it says as it says it. B seems to trust the Old Testament unless it discusses meat, and the New Testament is conditional to the point it supports adventism. He would adamantly deny that statement, but that is how it plays out in reality. I am so sorry you are disappointed. Please keep your eyes open, guard your heart, and follow the Lord's voice. I promise the pain now is much less than what it can be when you have a family and kids involved. Don't make my mistake and delay too long if you sense God's leading away. I know how you feel and hope you make wiser decisions than I did. | ||
| Tracey Registered user Username: Tracey Post Number: 40 Registered: 9-2004 |
Melissa, I am so not ready to give up.. But I have given that horse everything he needs to begin his own study. I can't make him drink. I am very concerned about heart and this makes it hard to let go. He feels the same. I appreciate you saying these things. I really do. I, as you say, plan to make wise decisions. Where do we stand now? We will end it by December (not beyond Feb) or so, if we are still at a standstill. How sad. We do both love the Lord. : ( I explained to him how many of you took years to get to where you are now and that I don't have years to wait -- so hurry up! We laughed about it, but boy o boy.. He studies a lot and doesn't devote a lot of time to this as I do..so I am a little concerned. But God can work miracles in a short amount of time. I just hope C is interested in miracles. Thanks Sis! Tracey | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 729 Registered: 12-2003 |
Tracey, you have seen the truth of Adventism: even though they are not overtly "taught" about EGW, what they know of her is postiive and even reverential. She "owns" them, and many of them, like your boyfriend, don't know it. I echo Meslissa: guard your heart. Pray for God's leading. Colleen | ||
| Melissa Registered user Username: Melissa Post Number: 497 Registered: 7-2003 |
I'm not trying to tell you what to do. It's 5 years now, and I'm still "not ready" to give up. I set deadline after deadline, but kept extending it. But I'm not getting any younger and he seems more dug in now than ever. I also studied this stuff more than he did, but he calls my studies only following what others say and doesn't think I'v ever studied any of it for myself (or I would have discovered adventism is correct...as long as I haven't reached that conclusion, I haven't studied enough or correctly in his view....) For my own sanity, I've had to let go...but I'm sure somewhere inside I still hold a sliver of a hope that God will reach him. I just hope he does before my son has to decide between his mother and father's faiths. Do what you need to do. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 587 Registered: 3-2004 |
I echo Colleen's words Tracey. You have seen the truth of Adventism. I used to be that kind of SDA. I will keep on praying for you that God show you what to do. Watch you heart and your head, that neither gets to hurt. What ever you decide there will be some hurt. Adventism has a hold on those in the church like nothing I have ever seen. I truly believe it is demonic. Take care Tracey and keep on praying and developing your relationship with Jesus. He is awesome. Diana | ||
| Sabra Registered user Username: Sabra Post Number: 202 Registered: 10-2001 |
praying for you both, Tracey. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 595 Registered: 3-2004 |
Tracey, You say you are not ready to give up on C. This is my thought only, but maybe you should give up and hand it all to God. Just give it all to God and let Him take care of C. As long as you are still involved with C he may think that you are not as serious as you say you are. After all you are still seeing him. Just a though that occurred to me. I continue to pray for both of you. Diana | ||
| Tracey Registered user Username: Tracey Post Number: 46 Registered: 9-2004 |
Hi there, I was out of town this weekend.. And I just read all your posts from this weekend. Melissa -- deadline after deadline? I won't do that. I am beginning to think C lurks here, so I will be careful what I say, but I will keep a deadline that we mutually agreed on. I spoke with a friend who is strong in the Lord. She says not to give up on him. This is so overwhelming some days that I can only continue witnessing to him under the conditions that we go back to being friends. It's too much heartache and impatience doing it as a gf. Which leads me to FlyLady and Colleen: I agree with you. and I was thinking about how over and over you guys said (Guard your heart!) and I asked God what it meant for me specifically. For me it means, make wise decisions not heart decisions. So much easier said than done. But I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. Give it to God -- I have said at least 5 times that I would do that and even twice on this site!!! forgive me but I haven't done it yet!! I can't let it go! Every time I learn something new, I feel I just have to tell him and warn him. But something happened this weekend being alone talking to God and being alone with my thoughts. And that is only God can do it and for some reason, I know it now. I have given him tools from which to study and direct his studying of the things that I have told him. So he did tell him that before now, he never wondered why he believed what he believed and that b/c of me, I have challenged him to do so and I was suprised he admitted that. I think he knows I am serious, but it would send a strong message to witness to him as only a friend. At this point, I don't think I can do that before our mutually agreed upon date to go our separate ways. My next assignment is to stop bringing it up until we reach that "date" or if he has questions. Thank you for the continued prayers ladies and everyone. God Bless you all! Tracey | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 597 Registered: 3-2004 |
Tracey, It is very frustrating to have a loved one not see the truths of the Bible. SOO, Please, bring that up whenever you feel it. That is part of the reason we are here. You are doing well to listen to God and not jumping into a relationship that would do neither you or your friend any good. Continue praying and I will continue praying also. We love you, even though we have never met. Diana | ||
| Tracey Registered user Username: Tracey Post Number: 47 Registered: 9-2004 |
Thank you Diana, I love you and all of you too. I appreciate your prayers for this dear man that I love so much. Thank God for this forum where people understand where C is and what he is under. Thank you that I am not alone is seeking to get God's people from under demonic forces and spirits seeking to blind, kill, steal and destroy His people. I also meant I wouldn't bring this stuff up to C, not within this forum, though. I will continue to ask questions etc. I am a little tired and I may do more reading for the next couple of weeks or so. Tracey | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 743 Registered: 12-2003 |
Tracey, you're being very courageous to admit the facts and the concerns of your relationship as honestly as you are. (By the way, did you know that the name Tracey means "courageous"?) Continue to ask God to protect your heart and mind in Christ Jesus, and we will continue to pray for you. Colleen | ||
| Tracey Registered user Username: Tracey Post Number: 50 Registered: 9-2004 |
Aww, That made me cry... courageous. Thank you. Of course it doesn't feel courageous, it feels like hurt. That's what it feels like. I will do as you say. And thank you from the depths of my soul, Colleen. Tracey | ||
| Dd Registered user Username: Dd Post Number: 148 Registered: 7-2004 |
Has anyone on this forum come to the same conclusion as I? Tracey, I would like to introduce Hrob...He is a wonderful Christian man with a love for God that is clearly evident in the way he lives his life.... Hrob, I would like to introduce Tracey...She is a wonderful Christian woman who loves God with a fierce love that I wish I would have had at her age... Please forgive me if I am embarressing either of you...  I am soooo deeply impressed by both Tracy and Hrob's committment to include God in their life choices. God's way will bring countless rewards to the life ahead of both of you! Hang tough! You both are an inspiration and a blessing in my life! | ||
| Sabra Registered user Username: Sabra Post Number: 214 Registered: 10-2001 |
LOL! Former Adventist and all related to somehow dating service. I like it! | ||
| Praisegod Registered user Username: Praisegod Post Number: 127 Registered: 3-2004 |
Today I received my copy of Greg Taylor's book. I couldn't resist diving right in and I'm on chapter 5 already. Truly I believe that stories like this are going to be so immensely helpful in breaking down the walls of Adventism. Along the same lines, I'm thinking that Colleen needs to write a book too. Have you noticed, group, how Colleen has the ability to take what many of us have said and bring clarity to it? That's a real gift. There's been many times where I've thought to myself, "wow, that's exactly what I've been thinking but she says it so much better." If there could be more and more books out from different perspectives, it will get more and more difficult to try to refute each one a la Goldstein or Bacchiocchi. Then combine that with DD's matchmaking and who knows what we will have... Praise God... | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 602 Registered: 3-2004 |
Praisegod, I agree that Colleen has a wonderful way with words. I could never express myself the way she does. And I agree a book written by her would be very good. As for the matchmaking I am ROFL!!! That would be an interesting situation. Diana |
