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33ad
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Post Number: 93
Registered: 10-2004
Posted on Tuesday, November 02, 2004 - 10:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm still on the local SDA Conference email list and this just came in today. They're beyond help!!

[Quote:I came across this little piece of news in the Adventist Religious Liberty Update, authored by James Standish.
Halloween on Sunday
This Sunday is [was] Halloween. Many Christians are opposed to Halloween because of the emphasis on spiritualism. Some Sunday keeping Christians have petitioned local governments to change the day of Halloween because Sunday is ěthe Lordís day.î The day they want to change Halloween to? You guessed it, the true Sabbath. CNN reports that ěsome towns around the country are decreeing that Halloween be celebrated on Saturday to avoid complaints from those who might be offended by the sight of demons and witches ringing their doorbell on the Sabbath. END Quote]
Pw
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Post Number: 171
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Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 5:55 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Makes you wonder if the SDA has a "ghost" of a chance.
Susan_2
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Post Number: 1067
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Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 7:02 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What difference would it make to a SDA anyway? Children geneally have their Holloween celebrations after sundown anyway. The Bibical Sabbath is Friday sunset to Saturday sunset. So, the Sabbath is over at Saturday sunset. So, to a SDA if Holloween ws on Saturday night it still would not be on Sabbath. It would have to be on Friday nights after sunset to be on Sbbath. And, did you notice Mr. Standish used the tern Sunday-keepers?,,
Colleentinker
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Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 9:46 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

People can make an issue of any triviality! I see equal parts of absurdity on both sides of this one. H-m-m-m whose day is more sacred?

There was an interesting ruling in the Puyallup, Washington, school district this year. They outlawed Holloween costumes at school for three reasons:
(1) They're distracting;
(2) The rich can afford much nicer costumes than others
(3) [the REAL reason] the ugly witches' costumes with their pointy hats and beaked noses are insensitive to Wiccans who are real witches and are just normal people.

Richard said they might just as well argue that they can't celebrate Halloween because it's a religious holiday. After all, if schools can't officially celebrate Christmas becaue it's a Christian holiday about Jesus, then for similar types of arguments Halloween should be prohibited.

Somewhere in all these controversies reality is obscured...

Colleen
Mitsy
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Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 11:50 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Maybe I'm misinformed but I thought that the majority of public schools had discontinued all holiday-type parties due to being "politically incorrect". I am not a holiday person at all and do not recognize Halloween and do less and less each year in regard to Christmas. I think parties and such are fine for kids but I can see how the whole idea of Halloween might be off-putting for many (not just Christians OR the Wiccans). Although the Wiccan/witch excuse seemed to be a lame one for that school out west which should have just said that they were not going to have any kind of celebration for the holiday.
Susan_2
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Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 12:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have the understanding that the pubic schools don*t have holiday or birthday celebrtions because of the JW*s. I know people who were raised JW or who used to be JW and they have told me that before the new school year starts they get the grades that every student in each school district will be in and then the JW organization moves the families around so there will be at least one JW child per Classroom. In the public school district where I live at the beginnng of the year the children bring notes home asking if any of the parents object to holiday or birthday celebrations in its classroom. If even one child returns the note with a "yes" marked on it then the entire class is denied these little extras that are usually provided entirely by parents. Maybe in the urban areas the "politically correct" way holds weight but being from a real, total rural hick area I will say for sure that the country folks could care less about some of those issues. Also, being from areas where the majority of the population are boarder jumpers those folks also don*t generally care two bits worth of what is "politically correct". But, mostly anything and everything that inhibits extras is either because of the ACLU, American*s United For Seperation of Church and State or the JW*s.
Jeremy
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Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 8:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Something I realized recently:

The SDAs like to celebrate 2 Satanic holidays in October. October 22 and October 31. (In general, I think SDAs celebrate Halloween more than other "Christians" do. But they don't like to celebrate the Resurrection of Jesus! It's ok to celebrate Satan's holiday but to celebrate the Lord's Day or Easter will get you to hell!)

Here's an ironic story having to do with Halloween. Back when we lived in the Phoenix area, we once went to former SDA Pastor Mark Martin's church to get a free sign (to put on your door for Halloween--talking about how we are Christians and don't celebrate Halloween and had a Bible verse on it). We put the sign from Pastor Mark's church up on our door, and had a box of books available, for the people to take one. The books were Steps to Christ! I recently thought about this and found it ironic. I hope no one was deceived by the books... Hopefully they went to Pastor Mark's church instead... ;-) Although I don't know how much he advertised it on the sign, if at all... :-)

Jeremy
33ad
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Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 9:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Jeremy,
According to the Ellenwhite.ord site the real author of "Stept to Christ" was Fannie Bolton, one of her "Editors". If you read the words to the SDA hymn 'Not I, But Christ' you'll see that Fannie was really Christ centred. If Fannie wrote the book and EGW stole the name, the contents are probably the least damaging of what was produced under EGW's name. Still, it's true the SDA's celebrate two satanic holidays in October.
Loren

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