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| 33ad Registered user Username: 33ad Post Number: 124 Registered: 10-2004 |
Thanks Colleen, and all of you. God bless you all, Loren | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1136 Registered: 11-2002 |
Loren, Is the crime high rate where you live? If so then I think a dog is a much better choice than a white tipped cane or nothing. I say this because I have a friend named Barbara who is blind. She won't have a dog because the agency will not allow a seeing eye dog to anyone with a house cat and she won't chuck her cat. I finily asked her how come she refused to use her white tipped cane when she rides the bus all over the city where she lives. She told me because the last two times she used her cane the punks came up behind her, knocked her over and robbed her. This particular city also has a problem with punks knocking over people in wheelchairs and robbing them. A dog is by far the wisest choice of protection for the vunerable who desire independence. I hope the situtation works out with Yat. | ||
| Lydell Registered user Username: Lydell Post Number: 651 Registered: 7-2000 |
Freeatlast, that is thoroughly bizarre. Wow Sabra I was just struck by what a difference between Corrie's view and the SDA view. The SDA view always seemed to be "poor old us, they are out to get us, we will have to suffer in jail, woe is me." One passage in Corrie's book really stands out in my mind. She was always a faithful witness while in the concentration camp. One day, after she had been reading her Bible, etc. another woman in the camp had berated her with a question to the effect, "if your God is so loving, then why did he let you come here?" Corrie's response was, "he allowed me to come here, because he knew YOU would be here." man! And isn't that the attitude really that Paul and Silas adopted? | ||
| Sabra Registered user Username: Sabra Post Number: 272 Registered: 10-2001 |
I haven't seen the movie since that one time when I was a kid. It was so freaky in that old church the name of the church was Sanitarium SDA Church HA! That is really funny! It was in Orlando and has since been renamed the Florida Hospital SDA church. We also saw the Pilgrim's Progress about the same time--boy, that group was sadistic hu? I only remember the man being burned at the stake. I used to think if I got burned at the stake I could breathe all of the carbon monoxide before the flames got me and die that way. Sick and wrong! That is what I have to say about the whole crazy religion! | ||
| Another_carol Registered user Username: Another_carol Post Number: 264 Registered: 12-2002 |
Sabra; was this Pilgrim's Progress a fictional movie or was it based on something true. I can give you web sites of my church affiliation which were in fact burned at the stake. Not for the Sabbath but because they would not be quiet about their Savior. One is exteremly difficult because it is of a mother whose 2 young boys watch and as the fire is out and cold the oldest of the boys goes to the ashes and retrieves the tongue screw which was placed into his mother's mouth so that she could not testify of her Savior even while she was burning at the stake. When I hear of this I just praise God that I have not had to succumb to such brutality but then in the back of my mind I think; could I do what she did. I would have to give it to God. Just wanted to share that in light of the mention of the movie you saw, Another Carol | ||
| 33ad Registered user Username: 33ad Post Number: 132 Registered: 10-2004 |
Susan, I do feel better that Brenda has the dog. It does help keep punks away. She has a friend who walks round town with the white cane, her Guardian Angel is working overtime. Loren | ||
| 33ad Registered user Username: 33ad Post Number: 133 Registered: 10-2004 |
Pilgrim's Progress is an allegorical story written by John Bunyan. It is public domain and can be read here: www.ccel.org/b/bunyan/pilgrims_progress/title.html God bless, Loren | ||
| Sabra Registered user Username: Sabra Post Number: 273 Registered: 10-2001 |
Another Carol, I have heard many stories like that too and am thankful that I am so blessed, but if I was faced with the choice, there would be no choice. Jesus is my Lord and Savior and I would stand for Him no matter what. I'm an adult now, and able to understand conviction and salvation and martyrdom. That sort of decision making is not appropriate for young children and I should not have been subjected to all of that doom and gloom as a child. I am so thankful that I can trust solely in Jesus. I think many times that He worked it all out so that I would have only Him to trust in. He is everything! | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1147 Registered: 11-2002 |
My son and me were watching The Animal Channel several nights ago and the program we were watching was about seeing eye horses. They were really teeny-tiny little horses and they went everywhere with their person. It was amazing. | ||
| Sabra Registered user Username: Sabra Post Number: 276 Registered: 10-2001 |
I've seen those, they are so cute! Did anyone see the movie "Joshua" on TBN last night? It was a really good movie, not very scriptural, but it was how Jesus came to earth and helped all of these people in this little town. Boy, we are off topic. | ||
| Dd Registered user Username: Dd Post Number: 225 Registered: 7-2004 |
After a life time of being scared to the point of physical panic symptoms, I came to a point of outrage when my little 6 year old daughter came home in tears telling me that one day she would have to stand up for Sabbath while she watched bad people do bad things to me! I did not wait for my anger to subside and called the kindergarten SS leader and the pastor before I had time to even take a breath. Even now, while typing with tears in my eyes, the anger has easily surfaced. But as the Bible instructs -- even this horrid experience is something that I praise God for. It was one more eye-opener that directed me into the arms of my Father. I am SOOOOO grateful for God's leading and the peace that His love gives in calming all my anxieties. I believe that the persecution that the Bible describes is what all of us former SDA's endure from those we love. It is so much easier to stand for The Man than for just a day! GIVE ME JESUS! | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 63 Registered: 7-2004 |
When you were attending SDA grade school, did any of you practice being on trial and having to stand up for your faith (read Sabbath)? I remember spend one whole morning doing just that, and then the afternoon was dedicated to writing reports on what we had learned in the mock trials. One of the exercises was having to swear our honesty without disgracing the Bible by swearing on it. I'm not really certain what was recommended now, it was so long ago. I thing we were counseled to swear with our hands over our hearts, like the pledge to the flag. I was in the third or fourth grade at the time and my understanding of the full implications of what we were practicing was incomplete, but I do know that it scared me out of my wits. I can't help but keep coming back to the celebration of freedom in Christ that I now enjoy. I echo joyfully, "GIVE ME JESUS." What sacrelig it is to worship a thing (the day) rather than the Maker. Belva | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 1003 Registered: 12-2003 |
Richard says that when he was at Rio Lindo Academy, they staged an attack on Sabbath believers one Sabbath during church. A group of people in military-looking uniforms burst into church and yelled, demanding to know why people were there on Sabbath. They grabbed kids from the audience, forced them to the front of the church, and questioned them about what they were doing there on Saturday. Richard said he believes the little drama was patterned after the old book, "Ready To Answer" which circulated through the church some years ago. As if we could PRACTICE for the time of trouble, anyway! Praise God that He will never leave us, and Jesus promised that the Holy Spirit would give us the words we need when the time comes! Colleen | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 240 Registered: 4-2000 |
Colleen, I loved the staged drama story. I will ask my local SDA friends when the drill will be conducted at the College View SDA Church here in Lincoln, Nebraska. I could assure them that a newspaper photographer and I would be present to give the event full media coverage (smile). Yes, I always enjoyed good entertainment. Dennis Fischer | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1148 Registered: 11-2002 |
Wow, some of you sure have horrific experiences from growing up SDA. I never had any of the dramas mentioed above. The ordeals I experienced were always from being taught those things. There were visual aids though such as charts and big pictures that were drawn real scary that they would give a child nightmares. But, I never experienced those skits and trials and other stuff like that. Dd, how old is your daughter now? Was the incident you mentioned a long time ago or fairly recently? I only ask this because my granddaughter is 6. She is in first grade at an SDA school. Last year in Kindergarten I asked her one day to tell me about school. She then gave me the biography of EGW. I was appalled. I was extremely fortunate in that I attended mostly public schools. Get this-I had never seen a ouiji board until I attended Monterey Bay Academy. The first week I was there I was invited to an ouiji board party. I turned it down and refused to have anything more to do with that bunch of girls. Then over the years I have mentioned this to numerous SDA's. I always get the same reply, which is-Satan knows he already has the public school kids. He knows they are his. So, satan doesn't have to put out any effort to lead the public school kids down the path of wickedness, he's already got them. But, satan knows the SDA kids are being raised in the truth so he really has to lure them to get them in his cluthces. Oh, p-l-e-a-s-e... | ||
| Melissa Registered user Username: Melissa Post Number: 597 Registered: 7-2003 |
Yesterday, B wanted to take our son to see his parents since they are moving to western nebraska where they will be taking on two or three churches there. It will make them 8 hours rather than 2.5 hours away and he knew it would be a while before they see him again. My older son and I went with him. I had gone to the early bird sales and was home around 10. When I pulled in the drive, I noticed B had an overnight bag on his truck...he had expected us to spend the night. I was outraged that he would expect me to spend the night over a Friday night when he knows I would not participate in his family's Saturday morning activities. So, I told him if "we" were going, "we" were not spending the night. Very begrudgingly, he granted me that one...he knew he had never mentioned it. Then while we were there, having their version of a thanksgiving meal, his dad had blessed the food. His last line struck me, "...keep us faithful so we may enter into your kingdom..." I thought it was so sad that as the rest of Christianity is expressing thankfulness for their eternal security, this man was still relying on his own "faithfulness" to get him into heaven. As my older son and I were talking today, he had said B's father came upstairs once during the evening and told the boys it was the sabbath, and they were supposed to be quiet during the sabbath. We left around 7:30 pm, and stopped to get gas on the way back. I found myself just wondering at the irony of it all. Technically, I'm sure B should have gotten gas when we arrived in town, during the sunlight hours, before the sabbath began rather than spending money during sabbath hours. But I wondered if he rationalizes it by thinking he is only putting it on his credit card, not really exchanging cash?? Another thing I was struck by was they had no evening meal. Lunch was around 2, and by 6 all the boys were hungry (and at least one adult, me...not being too into "turkey loaf"). They pulled out tortilla chips and chex mix and grapes. I was sitting there wondering about the "healthfulness" of that "meal". Bs sister-in-law was making the breakfast rolls ... we call it "monkey bread", I'm not sure what she called it, but it was dough cut into 1" pieces rolled in cinnamon sugar and placed in a bunt pan with butter, then frosted with cream cheese. I was just shaking my head. B would eat that, but never dream of touching a cinnamon roll or doughnut (too much sugar). I was very relieved when we arrived home. It is very hard to learn different family traditions, but when there is not one thing that looks familiar from your frame of reference it is very "odd" and most uncomfortable. My older son and I had a good talk about some of the other things B's father had said and why it creates division for me and B and some of the challenges for Jonathan in the future. I always hope Christopher remembers these conversations some day so he can talk to Jonathan when Jonathan doesn't want to hear his mother. | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1149 Registered: 11-2002 |
Wow, Melissa, you sure are in a challaging situtation. here did the rule come from that people have to be quiet on the Sabbath? When I read the description of heaven in the Bible I'm always struck by how loud heaven must be with all tat tumpet blowing, harp playing, shouting and singing. I'm sure it is difficult to try to acculmate into a family that is so goofy. | ||
| Dd Registered user Username: Dd Post Number: 227 Registered: 7-2004 |
Susan, My daughter is now 12. Unfortunately, she is in a SDA school. I am an ever-present presence at school. I have sat a talked many times with the principle regarding my beliefs in the Fruits of the Spirit, the New Covenant, EGW, etc... I think I have been to see him too many times as I have seen him "disappear" quietly if I am in the vacinity  ! I have also had a long talk with her Jr. High Bible teacher. He knows where I stand and my daughter has told me of several times she has raised her hand to ask him where she could find something in the Bible that would support what he just said. He has told her, "good question...I'll have to get back with you" and then she has not heard anything. I am very proud of her. God is guarding her heart. It is a prayer I pray daily! | ||
| Dd Registered user Username: Dd Post Number: 228 Registered: 7-2004 |
Melissa, WOW! What a challenging day you had yesterday. I am proud of you for standing firm. Spending the night would have been an ugly experience for all of you. B's dad's prayer reminds me so very much of my own parents. It is so very sad to be literally "begging" for salvation when God has gifted His grace so generously. The way SDAs eat is very hypocritical. | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1150 Registered: 11-2002 |
When I was 15 I spent one year at Monterey Bay Academy. I pretty much liked most everything about the school usually. We had to take an Indoctrination Class (aka:Bible). The teacher would be trying to teach us certain things and I would open my Bible and say, "But, it says..." and tell him out of the Bible the oposite of what he was teaching us. Finily he got really fed up with me and told me since I liked reading my Bible so much he would put my desk in the hall and during class I could sit at my desk in the hall and just read my Bible. He still counted roll so I had to show up, I have always thought I probably had the best Bible class of any kid at that school that year. He gave me a "D" on my report card. It didn't matter because the next year I went back to my local public school and that class wasn't counted anyway. I remember specifically the teacher was telling us about how come we shouldn't at meat. But, he was using EGW to teach us the meat restrictions and I kept telling him Bible texts. He considered me at best a pest and a worst a trouble maker, however I never did cause any trouble ever, I just pointed out Bible texts that were contrary to what he was teaching us kids. Did any of you out there also buy those corny blazers? We couldn't have class rings. We had blazers. Do you remember those banquest? Do the SDA schools still do those sorts of things? We had to hide our transister radios inside our teddy bears and then listen to the radio with the volume truned real low and keep the teddy bear real close to our ear. At 9 p.m. the lights went out. I always felt really put out that I had to attend chapel on Sunday while at the same time I was being taught it was a sin to attend church on Sunday. Forunatelly I was the assistant dorm mothers pet and more often than not she would let me spend Sunday chapel time with her and she'd clear it for me so it was covered. I think she liked me so much because I honestly was the only one who would eat sourkraut with vegelinks with her while drinking Postum. Ummumm good. |
