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| Praisegod Registered user Username: Praisegod Post Number: 160 Registered: 3-2004 |
I accidentally stumbled onto a forum that had a topic about "seven day adventists." Since I didn't think it was coincidental, I've been posting there. I could use some help. go to www.forums.christianity.com Under Theology, you'll find a section called Religion and Doctrine. Then you'll find that particular thread. Now I notice another thread called How to Keep Sabbath. Anyone want to get involved? By the way, some have been reading this forum since I posted it as a source for finding out about SDAs.  Praise God | ||
| Vchowdhury1 Registered user Username: Vchowdhury1 Post Number: 88 Registered: 7-2004 |
Praisegod, I can't find the forum. Is that the correct web address? --Valerie | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 139 Registered: 10-2004 |
Try it without the "www"--that worked for me. Jeremy | ||
| Speakeasy Registered user Username: Speakeasy Post Number: 200 Registered: 9-2002 |
I to can not get the web site you are talking about. speakeasy | ||
| Praisegod Registered user Username: Praisegod Post Number: 161 Registered: 3-2004 |
As Jeremy said, if you just put in the address forums.christianity.com it gets you there. Actually, there turns out to be quite a few threads scattered throughout on Sabbath-type issues. I'm surprised there aren't more formers on this site rather than only on CARM. Praise God... | ||
| Vchowdhury1 Registered user Username: Vchowdhury1 Post Number: 89 Registered: 7-2004 |
Praisgod, your are right. If you don't type in the "www", and just type in "forums.christianity.com", you will get to the website. Stange. Anyway, I found the forum. Thanks --Valerie | ||
| Pw Registered user Username: Pw Post Number: 208 Registered: 6-2004 |
I went and signed into this forum and got a butt beating from someone for being negative about the SDA, EGW and their teachings under that section. Obviously this person is really ignorant about their doctrines because he claimed I was being sarcastic. I really didn't want to get into it with this person. At least I know I'm safe here. :> | ||
| Pw Registered user Username: Pw Post Number: 209 Registered: 6-2004 |
I checked back onto the site and it loks like I started a catfight between two people. Each one is accusing the other of being a liar. If you are really bored you ought to read their debates. Although I'm glad the poster came to my defense (I'm posted as Gambit), one called msmonica clearly is a SDA and is totally whacked out about my claims. Makes me so glad I don't stand on the SDA beliefs anymore, on Christ the solid rock I stand, all else is sinking sand. | ||
| Pw Registered user Username: Pw Post Number: 210 Registered: 6-2004 |
OK, here's a post that was directed at me on the other forum. It had to do with Sabbath keeping. I really think I should stay away because it only made my blood boil at how arrogant this person was. Read on.... Gambit, I am sorry to say but at the end of the day, if you have received the light on Sunday vs Sabbath and you continue to pay homage to a man-made institution, thus honoring man above God, you will indeed receive the mark of the authority of the church whose leaders thought to change the law of God. Make no mistake about it. This is not the teaching of Ellen White or of any man, but it is the teaching of the Holy Ghost through the Scriptures. "The seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God." Where is the deception here? Could you accuse the Lord Himself for not making it plain as to what day is the Sabbath of the Lord? | ||
| Freeatlast Registered user Username: Freeatlast Post Number: 246 Registered: 5-2002 |
yadda yadda yadda, been there done that, heard it all before ad infinitum and nauseum. I suggest that you stay away from the SDA "discussion" boards unless you have very thick skin and an ironclad constitution. There seems to be so much venom and hostility among the SDA self-appointed apologists that not much really gets "discussed". I only post on them when I have something to say that I feel a lurker would benefit from. There simply is no cracking thru the hardcore SDA defenses, only the Holy Spirit can do that. Just my $0.02 for the day... | ||
| Pw Registered user Username: Pw Post Number: 211 Registered: 6-2004 |
Amen to that! | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 155 Registered: 10-2004 |
Here is just one amazing thread from an SDA forum for youth: http://www.nadadventist.org/ssbb/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=575 The arrogance, etc. on there is sickening. Here's another interesting thread: http://www.nadadventist.org/ssbb/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=586 This forum is hosted on the official NAD web site. I posted on that forum awhile back, and my posts just got deleted after awhile, and they came out with some "rules" for the forum. They said, "This site is not the place for critical or mean-spirited banter." They think anything that goes against what they believe is "critical or mean-spirited banter"... The administrator of that forum is himself just a kid. I suspect people higher on up told him what to do in response to me. ;-) YIKES!!! I just found this thread on there where everyone says that they "love Satan"!!! I'm not making this up!! Check it out: http://www.nadadventist.org/ssbb/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=594. Jeremy | ||
| Praisegod Registered user Username: Praisegod Post Number: 163 Registered: 3-2004 |
Thanks, PW, for posting on the forum and attempting to make inroads. I was called a liar the day before so I understand where you're coming from. I never thought I would want to be part of these types of discussions, but if you back up on the thread, you can see where others are posting that they have appreciated the comments from former Adventists, the links to this site etc. Since the groups are getting quite a lot of hits, I can't help but feel that it's important for questioning SDAs and ones being lured into Adventism to hear all sides. I was to searching for something totally unrelated to forums in general or Adventism whatsoever when I got dumped into the thread from following google. I figured it was kind of a Holy Ghost setup, which is why I got involved in the first place. Praise God... | ||
| Pw Registered user Username: Pw Post Number: 212 Registered: 6-2004 |
You know I felt like I really stirred up a hornet's nest with my posting on that site and felt angry and then remorseful at the same time. However, I felt God's comfort during church service and then read Galatians deeply. It clearly shows how we are saved by faith and not the law. I realized that I did the same thing Paul did, exposed deceitful teachings of the SDA to a possible future victim. I got a personal reply from a reader who said she felt there was a lot more deception going on in the SDA movement than what was being discussed on the forum. She said that my quotes were not met with a logical reply from the SDA members and she thanked me for exposing the doctrine in a way that anyone can understand. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 807 Registered: 3-2004 |
Keep up the good work Pw. God will use you and your writing. Diana | ||
| Pw Registered user Username: Pw Post Number: 215 Registered: 6-2004 |
Here's a response I got from an SDA at the Christianity.com site. You will see how unstable this woman is as far as her wobbling beliefs. Talk about confusion. Dear Gambit: I read your posts with a heavy heart. I wonder how a person who has "found Jesus" could be so unChristian in what he says. Permit me to respond to your latest attacks. The SDA Church does not teach rightousness by works or salvation by works. The observance of the Sabbath is something one does as a response to what God has DONE! Now I will grant you there are people in the SDA church who have not caught on to this message. But you cannot damn the Church because some folk are slow learners. I will also grant you that the SDA Church has in time past had some real problems with trusting in works. But are you aware how much the Church has changed? Last Sabbath I sat in a Sabbath School class studying none other than the Investigative Judgment. The teacher of the class holds a doctor's degree in theology and teaches at an SDA University. She voiced through-out the study the idea that SDAís have had a very limited and unsatisfactory understanding of Daniel 8:14 (the 2300 days prophecy). She does not believe in the traditional SDA teaching on this subject. I must say, her views made incredibly good sense. With the exception of one or two in the group the rest of the 50+ people ìate this upî. This was not some radical group intent on embarrassing the Church or leaving it. These were solid mainstream Adventists. Gambit, I fear you, are still fighting battles that are, if not over, coming to an end. The SDA Church is changing! It is definitely becoming much more mainstream. Letís be honest about this. In the early history of the SDA church, most SDAís were terribly legalistic. In the early days, there was absolutely no assurance of salvation. Even as a small child I remember sermons in which the preacher would ask the congregation, ìAre you ready for Jesus to come?î He would then pause and wait for someone to put up their hand. When no one did, he would ask the question again. Once again no one raised their hand. He would then in a very solemn voice say, ìI am not ready and you are not ready. When are we going to be ready for Jesus to come?" At that point the sermon would close. Not one word was given as to how to be ready! Not one word of hope was uttered as to the saving grace of Jesus. In those days most Adventists lived in a hell of doubt and uncertainty. My Dad got the brunt of this much more than I did. For many years he lived a life of total despair. The way the SDA church used to teach the Investigative Judgment it put people in hell BEFORE their death, not after. I finally got so disallusioned I left the church and went head over heals into the world. But the church has changed radically since those days. In fact the Pastor, last Sabbath in his sermon, said he could understand why many SDAís left the church. He admitted he almost left too. THIS WAS IN THE SERMON TO 2000+ SDA's IN AN SDA CHURCH!! CAN YOU SEE HOW THINGS MIGHT BE CHANGING? I have said over and over in a Sabbath School class I teach that the SDA Church was concieved in error. Early Adventists beleived Jesus was coming back in 1843. Then in 1844, Then taught that no one who had not given their heart to the Lord before 1844 could be saved. To be fair, this was not the official SDA church for it had not yet begun. But our roots come from many mistakes and errors. There is plenty for which to criticise the SDA church. But God's glory is not that we humans start from a position of perfect knowledge and perfect behavior. His glory is not that a Church springs to life fully mature and perfect in the Lord. God's glory is that He can take sick, misguided, error prone, proud humans and churches and if they are willing, mold them and make them into something beautiful. Ellen White said, "We (SDA's) have many things to learn and many, many things to unlearn." In fact Ellen White was the Church's strongest critic. Her writings are filled with warnings and heartfelt appeals for SDA's to have a real and living connection with Jesus or all the good actions and works will be worthless. In fact I maintain that the SDA church's biggest problem is not that they followed Ellen White. The Church's biggest problem is that it failed to follow her. What ever you think of her prophecies of the future, Ellen White taught that the Church is just spinning its wheels if we do not have a "living, vital connection with Jesus Christ" But did the church heed these words. No. Instead we went deeper and deeper into legalism until in the 1970's everything began to fly apart. Many pastors and lay members left the church in the 70's and 80's. But what Satan meant for bad, God meant for good. And today the Church is changing. Many of those who left the church, (I call them the "oldies from the 70's 80's and 90's"), are still lashing out against a church that has changed and is continuing to change dramatically. Gambit, you remind me of the Japanese soldier who 50 years later still thought World War II was going on. You continue to fight battles and rage against things that have died or are dying. Gambit, you are severly out of touch. You talk about jewelry being banned. Last Sabbath, in church, I saw more jewelry than I've seen in a month in secular society. Gambit! It's okay to come out of your fox hole, surrender your rusted out weapons, stop your hit and run tactics, stop raging against something God is changing. Instead of clinging desperately to your own personal war, you can reach out and encourage the SDA Church to become all that God wants it to be. The choice is yours. Become an agent of positive change or continue hiding in the jungles of your mind convinced the explosions you hear are NOT the hand granades YOU are throwing The choice is yours. | ||
| Raven Registered user Username: Raven Post Number: 118 Registered: 7-2004 |
For a long time, I too thought the SDA church had changed and was continuing to change. It's because I finally saw that the only thing they're changing is how they're perceived on the surface, and because I saw that the reason the church was as screwed up as it was is almost solely because of EGW's writings and influence, that I realized I really did have to leave. The oldies are right after all--you can't have it both ways. One has to either accept all of it or none of it. | ||
| Pw Registered user Username: Pw Post Number: 217 Registered: 6-2004 |
Did you catch the one quote how the poster said that the biggest problem within the SDA church was that they failed to follow EGW? I responded that was my biggest problem with their sect. I said "I choose to follow Jesus and not Ellen White". | ||
| Tracey Registered user Username: Tracey Post Number: 99 Registered: 9-2004 |
Raven, You just really encourage me when you write on here...What you last wrote gives me some insight into what C will need to experience. Tracey | ||
| Tdf Registered user Username: Tdf Post Number: 13 Registered: 11-2004 |
Raven, I completely agree. Because I still have a tremendous amount of love and compassion for those who are currently deceived by some of the teachings of the Adventist church and because my own family is still in that place, I would love to see a glimmer of hope that the core of the denomination is changing. I don't see that happening. Rather, I like you see that the presentation has changed but the festering core still remains and that festering core has a name--Ellen G. White. With that said, some who posted in this thread discussed how sarcastic the SDAs are in their forums. I would challenge each of you to read through some of the recent threads on this site and note how many sarcastic and unnecessarily venomous things have been written. This is a silly example, but why is that a man named Doug Bachelor has become "Botcheler" on this site? I like many of you don't agree with his theology, but I believe in doing so respectfully and I choose to refer to him using his given name. At the end of the day, let's not throw stones at the SDA forums until we clean up this type of jargon on the Former Adventist Forum. TDF |
