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| Freeatlast Registered user Username: Freeatlast Post Number: 251 Registered: 5-2002 |
"The lesson given is, Teach the children that they should have their missionary boxes and deny themselves as far as possible as a duty they owe to God--to act their part by self-denial. These lessons should come into every family. Everything of the character of ice cream, candies, and nuts brought into our camp meetings should not be permitted. Such practices as bringing these things upon the campground give lessons which counteract the very messages the Lord would have our ministers bear to bring young children and older youth to practice self-denial, and to see that it is necessary to let all such indulgences alone if they are to be in health. These extras that they do not need injure the stomach." Manuscript Releases Volume Twenty, page 354, paragraph 4 Talk about your unhappy campers! | ||
| Raven Registered user Username: Raven Post Number: 133 Registered: 7-2004 |
Okay Susan, you want another shocker? In addition to SDA academies now competing with other Christian schools (that's also done in our area), the local SDA school here has a cheerleading team! They have uniforms and the whole works. They advertize for students to become cheerleaders by saying it's "Christian cheerleading" and they'll learn good leadership skills. I really never thought I'd see that day. I was raised to believe cheerleading was incredibly evil (not that I think it is). But, I don't think EGW could have written anything against cheerleading because I don't think it existed in her day. Of course if you don't have the sport, you can't have the cheerleaders... | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1236 Registered: 11-2002 |
Are the girls in training to sign on as cheer leaders for the Dallas Cowboys? Seriousley though, it's all a fake. The 27 fundamentals, the baptizimal vows, what one reads in the SDA publications and hears from the pidium at church contradicts so much of what is actually put into practice. And, this is what's too bad. Because always one has to be the lie. | ||
| Dundo Registered user Username: Dundo Post Number: 5 Registered: 12-2004 |
An SDA Friend tells me NOT to let my boys compete in sports! It has cased alot of strife between us!(Me and her!) I ask her to show me where in the Bible it says we should not compete in athlectics( she could'nt) She reffered to " one of her favorite authors"( EG WHITE , i assume that is who it is), said it is sin to compete and keep score or " humilliate the other team! Well, there is an SDA Academy here in so Calif( i think it is in Riverside), that compete with secular schools in basketball and soccer! So, it seems that Eg Whie was just an old lady who didnt like sports! Wow! At least when i wuz LDS , we played sports! I feel sorry for those in Adventism who may be gifted( by GOD), in Athlectics! Ron | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 1103 Registered: 12-2003 |
When I was a young teacher at Gem State Academy I remember pondering why God gave people significant athletic talent if professional sports were not OK for Christians (read that Adventists). I could never come up with good explanations for those questions or the questions re: musical and dance talent. What DOES and Adventist do with those talents once they graduate from SDA schools?? Adventist schools today, though, do compete in league sports--at least in So. Cal they do. The Christian school where I taught was in a league with Loma Linda Academy, Mesa Grande Academy, and Redlands Adventist Academy. The one league sport they don't play is football. Colleen | ||
| Goldenbear Registered user Username: Goldenbear Post Number: 16 Registered: 12-2004 |
Having spent 25 years in Adventist Education in a variety of positions I have found that the main reason schools add athletics is because the enrollment is falling. Now there may be a few schools where this isn't true, but in most cases it is. Schools institute it because parents and students want it or they may go somewhere else. It ended up actually providing very little excercise and a whole lot of headaches. On the whole, adventist don't know how to lose. They are very poor sports. There, many times, seemed to be a continuim(sp)that schools progressed through. Isolationism gives rise to active music programs which gives rise to gymnastics which gives rise to atheletics. And the interesting thing is that all of these programs are started for the reason of "witnessing". Some programs have done better jobs than others in this area but in most cases their lack of style and grace when teams lose usually reveals their true witness. I guess my point is this, if the SDA church had have really been teaching grace over the years, and helping young people to see Jesus rather than focusing on rules enforcement, this would have been a non-issue. | ||
| Ric_b Registered user Username: Ric_b Post Number: 111 Registered: 7-2004 |
Learning to lose gracefully is an important Christian characteristic. We see very little of it in professional sports for kids to model. Yet in life, many of us will "lose" more often than we win. At work, we don't get every promotion (even one's we think we should have), every sale, every customers, and every decision to go our way. And at home, what could be worse than spending your life with a spouse that never "lost" an argument (does any spouse really "win" an argument?). | ||
| Raven Registered user Username: Raven Post Number: 135 Registered: 7-2004 |
Speaking of active music programs and other SDA school activities, that brought back memories of when our kids were at the SDA school. (They're now in their second year at public school.) It seemed like at the SDA school there was constantly one extra thing after another going on, until it was absolutely wearing me out. Not only was it the music programs and community programs, but even in the classroom there was project after project after project. It has been such a relief in public school that the main focus is academics! And I think our kids have learned so much more since the switch. | ||
| Raven Registered user Username: Raven Post Number: 136 Registered: 7-2004 |
Wanted to add one more thing to my post. Our oldest daughter was ready to start the fifth grade when we switched to public school. One of the other factors (not that it was the main factor) in making the switch, was that we found out what is required from fifth grade on in the SDA school. For music class, they are required to participate in performing for Sabbath service at the various local SDA churches at least once a month, and I thought it was twice a month. If they didn't come, it would adversely affect their grade. That meant that approximately half the time, we couldn't even attend the church where we were members, because we would be required to be at a different church! It's so nice in public school that everyone has their weekends completely free! Most of the time, the teachers even try to plan things so the kids have little or no homework over the weekend. It seems at the SDA school the kids almost always had something to work on over the weekend. | ||
| Dd Registered user Username: Dd Post Number: 262 Registered: 7-2004 |
My husband is a very gifted athlete. He holds a very strong "grudge" for his SDA upbringing because he was unable to pursue the talents that are obviously given by God. As is typical, the SDA religion does not see anything as God given. It is all our own efforts. If it is about our own efforts at keeping a day, remaining in a religion, then it would only make sense that they would see pursuing a "career" where someone might "stumble" in their "religion" as a sinful. I think bottom-line...this is the whole problem with embracing a talent...it would put the child/student in a place to make wrong choices and walk away from the church...it has nothing to do with walking away from Jesus! When our daughter started showing a natural ability to swim, we were still in the "guilt" phase of Saturday swim meets. Someone suggested that we look into Christian Athletes website - thegoal.com . What an eye opener! The site is full of athletes, from every sport imagineable, that have posted their testimony of God's love and workings in their life. It's is the same as "tithe", in a sense...they are giving back to God what He has given to them. The Christian School (non-denominational) we had our kids in before we moved, had a athletic program for just this - to do all to the glory of God. We use to go to the home meets to watch our babysitter play. Those high school kids were amazing in showing their faith and love. The pep band was awesome. The school announcer had prayer before each game (and they played public high schools and would ask everyone to stand to pray together!). At half time they would honor one of the senior students and the team and their parents. The student would thank their parents for their Christian home and school life and share what plans they had after graduation. It was such a marvelous witness! To me...it is just one more example of SDAs claiming they are staying seperate from the world but feeling so good about it that they really live like the world - does that make sense? Yes, they have changed some from 25-30 years ago when there was no sports - but even though they allow students now - the arrogance of not playing Friday night or Saturday is VERY visible. | ||
| Dd Registered user Username: Dd Post Number: 263 Registered: 7-2004 |
Just one more little thing...my jr. high daughter in a SDA school (  - I hope you all are remembering my children in your prayers!  ) played on the volleyball team. NEVER ONCE did the coach have prayer with the kids during the season! NOT ONCE!!!!!! | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 196 Registered: 10-2004 |
Ron, In fact, the Bible basically "condones" sports when referring to the Olympics, races, etc. You're right, Ron--EGW was someone who didn't like a lot of things, apparently. She had no fun, and wanted others to have no fun in life, too! She certainly didn't want people to have the joy of the Gospel and assurance of eternal life! As you said, at least the Mormons are not quite as restrictive as Ellen White. She also condemned getting involved in politics (even voting!), military, etc. Her whole end-time theology was anti-patriotic. But LDS is totally different in that regard, though other cults such as JWs are also anti-military/patriotism/voting, etc. Anyway, as former SDA Pastor Mark Martin says, with regards to SDAism, "it's easier to talk about the things that aren't sin--the list is shorter"! EGW certainly had a LONG list of things that were "sin." Jeremy | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 197 Registered: 10-2004 |
Freeatlast, I noticed that in that quote, EGW also forbade "nuts"! And in the previous paragraph, she stated:
This forbidding of nuts also extended to her own son Edson and she told him he was going to hell for eating nuts, and for eating at his grandparent's house!!! What about eating whatever is set before you without asking questions, as the Bible says?!?!
And then from the same letter ["Letter 5, 1868. (To Edson White, February 27, 1868.)"], as quoted in Maurice Barnett's book, Ellen G. White & Inspiration, pages 21-22:
There you go, she condemned her own son to hell for his eating nuts, and other things!!! And it looks like the White Estate still has not released the whole letter--I wonder what even more outrageous stuff is in there!!! But in other places she said things like the following, in praise of nuts ;-):
Jeremy | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 1106 Registered: 12-2003 |
H-m-m-m-m--I know I've said it before, but I'll say it again: EGW's food councils could lead one straight into an eatng disorder! (Especially if one felt they had to purify him/herself for sins he/she'd committed in other areas of life.) Speaking of sports at a Christian school: the first year our boys were at Arrowhead Christian Academy in Redlands, we went to several Friday night football games just because we COULD! One weekend my sis was visiting, and I'll never forget her overwhelm to the point of tears when she watched our football team kneel on the field, remove their helmets, and pray for a team member from the opposing team who had just sustained what appeared to be a possibly serious injury. Truly, when Christ is at the center, every activity is a completely knew experience. Colleen | ||
| Dd Registered user Username: Dd Post Number: 264 Registered: 7-2004 |
At this Christian school, I helped coach the high school track and field team...we had practice everyday after school and one of those days they had to meet for Bible study before the actual practice began. Part of this Bible study was memorizing verses such as physical stregth is of limited value (Ps. 147:10,11), avoiding aimless effort (Gal. 5:7), finishing the race (2 Tim. 2:5) running with perseverance (Heb. 12:1,2)... I still have the study guide...it was incredible and a wonderful way for the teenagers to see daily application of God's Word in their everyday activities. | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1238 Registered: 11-2002 |
Don't the SDA's make a food called Nuteena? | ||
| Raven Registered user Username: Raven Post Number: 139 Registered: 7-2004 |
Yes, I remember Nuteena! My husband, Ric_b, can't stand the stuff--the thought of it makes him gag! But I grew up with it frequently in my school lunches and liked it pretty well. It tasted much better than many other "healthy experiments" that ended up in my school lunches! (We don't want to go there.) I also liked it when my mom would slice it up, put tomato sauce over it, and bake it in the oven. It's been many years since I've ate it. | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1239 Registered: 11-2002 |
Dear Raven, my children have not been raised SDA at all. Sometimes I'll sit here in front of this FAF forum and I'll just crack up because something strikes me as being so totally funny. My kids think I'm nutting out. Actually though, it just always amazes me that we on here have such shared memories-no matter how many miles apart we are one from another. | ||
| Goldenbear Registered user Username: Goldenbear Post Number: 20 Registered: 12-2004 |
There have been through the years people come to the SDA school I was at and tell their stories. I have found people that have wonderful, humerous stories about their lives. Warm times, crazy times. I thought I was just pretty boring. With the process I am going through now, I find that I will have plenty of stories to tell about my journey out. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 1111 Registered: 12-2003 |
You made me chuckle, Goldenbear! Yep, God gives us not only Himself--He give each of us a story! Praise Him for intersecting our lives! Colleen |
