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| Jeannette Registered user Username: Jeannette Post Number: 74 Registered: 3-2003 |
Do any of you know where this verse is found? I've looked in the concordance but can't find it. My aunt quoted this verse to me last saturday, she called me to wish me a happy christmass and in the conversation she said that she had cooked 99.9% of her christmas dinner on Fri and she only had to add sugar to the sweet potatoes, I said that I was cooking my turkey and everything else that God doesn't care that all he cares is the relationship we have with him. She then quoted the verse and changed the conversation. I just want to read the verse for myself but can't find it. | ||
| Helovesme2 Registered user Username: Helovesme2 Post Number: 84 Registered: 8-2004 |
Maybe she's thinking of Is. 58:13-14? helovesme2 | ||
| Jeannette Registered user Username: Jeannette Post Number: 75 Registered: 3-2003 |
Helovesme, thanks for the reference I just read it but that is not the one. She said remeber God told the israelites "you have trampled down my sabbaths" my mom has also quoted, probably misquoted, this verse. | ||
| Chris Registered user Username: Chris Post Number: 514 Registered: 7-2003 |
Jeannette, I did a search for "trample(d)" AND "sabbath(s)" in 16 of the most well known English Bible translations. As far as I can tell, there is no such text. There are 8 texts that speak of the Jews "profaning" the Old Covenant sabbaths (one in Ex. 31:14 and the other seven in Ezekiel ch. 20-23). However, I am fairly certain that your mother is not quoting the Bible, but is unknowingly quoting Ellen White instead. A quick search of the AU online library reveals no less than 245 occurrances of EGW saying that the law or the sabbath have been or will be "trampled" upon. She seemed to be quite fond of this phrase. Do you ever catch yourself thinking or saying that something is in the Bible only to realize it really came from EGW? I used to do it all the time, but it's getting more infrequent. Chris | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1266 Registered: 11-2002 |
Could she have gotten that text from The Clear Word Bible? | ||
| Helovesme2 Registered user Username: Helovesme2 Post Number: 85 Registered: 8-2004 |
Well, I gave the reference I did because some people explain that 'turning your foot from the sabbath' means 'stop trampling on it'. It was a stretch, but the closest I could think of. Sorry it wasn't of much help! Chris's idea is an interesting one. I wouldn't be suprised if EGW IS where it's from! helovesme2 | ||
| Bob Registered user Username: Bob Post Number: 11 Registered: 7-2000 |
Jeanette, as the others have already said, there is no Biblical reference to "trampling" the Sabbath. The word "trample" appears in three verses, listed below. As you can see, none of them relate to Sabbath: Psa 91:13 Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet. Isa 63:3 I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people [there was] none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment. Mat 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. | ||
| Jeannette Registered user Username: Jeannette Post Number: 76 Registered: 3-2003 |
I don't know if my aunt has The Clear Word or not, she probably got it from EGW. Chris, my hubby is always quoting something thinking it's from the bible and it is actually from EGW. Now when he ends his "the bible says" he adds maybe it's not in the bible maybe is EGW. I finally cleared my bookcases of her books. I also boxed "The bible story" books he was very upset. He was ok about getting rid of EGW books but not the Bibole story set. I tried to explain to him that they were full of EGW's theology so he asked me to prove it, I don't eve know where to start to prove to him that they are not just readable translations of the Bible. Luckily, we got company and the box made it to the garage. Don't know what to do with the box but at least my granddaughter wont be reading the books. | ||
| Chris Registered user Username: Chris Post Number: 515 Registered: 7-2003 |
Yes, Jeannette. Those of us that grew up SDA absorbed a lot of EGW through Maxwell's Bible Story books. I didn't realize how indebted they were to EGW until I started reading the Bible itself. Suddenly, I started going, "Now why did I think that such and such happened in this story?" So I would go and look up the story in the Maxwell books, see that my mental picture of the story came from them, then I would cross reference it with books like Patriarchs and Prophets or prophets and Kings and realize that Maxwell's story came from EGW. The Bible story books are not readable translations of the Bible, they're adaptations of Ellen White's works for children. Chris | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 867 Registered: 3-2004 |
And for a long time I condemned myself for not getting them for my son when he was small. The truth is, God did not let me get them. Praise Him for being so awesome and protecting me and my son. Diana | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1269 Registered: 11-2002 |
Fortunately I did not have those books read to me growing up. They are very expensive and my parents would just read the Bible stories to me from the Bible. It always was amazing to me that the SDA organization sells so many of those books as they are extremely expensive. A # of years ago, after I was too old for them and my children were still too young for them, my mom got the entire set at the swap meet for $10.00. They are packed away in a box somewhere. I think I will not mention them to any of my family as my grandchildren are the exact ages that SDA's like to read those books to. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 1154 Registered: 12-2003 |
Good idea, Susan. Jeannette, for starters, I believe The Bible Story says that Eve wandered away from Adam in the garden. The idea is that if she had stayed with him, she wouldn't have been deceived by the serpent. Genesis 3, however, says that when Eve took the fruit, she gave some to Adam WHO WAS WITH HER. When I first realized the Bible said he was with her, I was absolutely shocked. That fact puts a whole new light on that first sin and, in my mind, helps explain why Adam carries the "blame" for humanity being sinful. He was the head of the human race, and he was right there as the seprent deceived Eve. Apparently he didn't step in to help or protect her. I know there are countless other EGW ideas throughout those books--that's just the first one that comes to my mind. Colleen | ||
| Goldenbear Registered user Username: Goldenbear Post Number: 33 Registered: 12-2004 |
Unfortunately,as others have pointed out, there isn't much published in SDA world that doesn't have the flavor of Ellen White throughout it. There are times in my mens study group when we are discussing something and I will begin to speak about my understanding of a text and then wonder if my understanding is biblical or just influenced by you know who. Our local SDA bible study group (we still attend this for the social interaction)is studying Morris Vendens book about the parables of Jesus called "Wonderful Words of Life". It really is nothing more than a continuing exposition of doctrine and pushing of EGW. In fact MV never stricly refers to it as the SOP, but words like "a christian classic", a spiritual writer etc. I am convinced there has been a decided push to emphasize EGW in everything the church publishes. Even in the brochure for publishing houses at christmas had two books on EGW - I think they were titled Ellen White: Friend of Angels. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 874 Registered: 3-2004 |
If I remember correctly, there is posted on here somewhere something about the SDA church emphasizing EGW in the coming year. I may be wrong, but I would not be surprised if that is what is happening. The SDA church is divided what with the historical and evangelical SDA. A house divided cannot stand, so a push toward the early historical beliefs would not surprise me at all. Thank God, I am no longer there. God is so awesome. Diana | ||
| Nancy Registered user Username: Nancy Post Number: 17 Registered: 6-2004 |
Speaking of Morris Venden. Has anyone heard of his scandal between he and his secretary back in the 80's?? In the search, type in scandal of Morris Venden and you will be shocked to read what went on. Pretty sickening!!!! Just curious!! | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1276 Registered: 11-2002 |
I will make a comment about what Colleen mentioned, the first sin, Adam was with the woman. Many years ago my parents were in the SDA adult SS class. The teacher quoted EGW about Adam having wandered off from Eve, etc. My dad corrected him and read to the SS class the Bibical account of the story. Without pause or interruption the SS teacher said, "Brother ***, I'm reading from the Word of God and it says..." and he continued quoting EGW. My dad very seldom ever went to the SDA church after that anymore. When people would ask him how come he didn't go to church anymore he would tell them that story. It is very heartbreaking because he would never consider a "Sunday church" so he just stayed home alone on Saturdays after that. | ||
| Dd Registered user Username: Dd Post Number: 290 Registered: 7-2004 |
Nancy, I checked on what you mentioned...wow...pretty incredible...am I living in my own little world oblivious or is this common knowledge to most everyone else? | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 878 Registered: 3-2004 |
During the 1980s I was not an active member of the SDA church. So I missed out on a lot of what happened there. I just was reading the web site about M. Venden and his secretary. With all I have learned here I am not surprised about the cover up about it. That is sick!!! Why can't a person say, "yes, I messed up and I am so sorry." Then that person can apologize to God and to the person they hurt. But SDAs have to be perfect and cannot admit they are not perfect. That is so sad and makes for a very sick mind. I pray for all SDAs with all of you and I know that God is doing His work in that church, to bring his people out of it. I am sure I will say it again, but I did not know the SDA church is so convoluted and confused. Their beliefs and practices can drive anyone who is not grounded in Jesus crazy. Thank God for Jesus. He is all I need. Thank you God, You are awesome. Diana | ||
| Praisegod Registered user Username: Praisegod Post Number: 185 Registered: 3-2004 |
Another similarity to our Catholic friends. Not that there's sexual sin in the camp but that they go to great lengths to cover up. | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 269 Registered: 4-2000 |
"MOM, WHEN IS SABBATH OVER?" Those who are parents have heard this nagging question repeated countless times. I am sure that this past Christmas Day was a special burden for many SDA families. For example, my oldest sister rescheduled Christmas festivities (gift opening, etc.) to Sunday. Many SDA youth get a very negative dose of Sabbath observance in their homes. On the other hand, how many us have heard the question from a child's lips, "Mom, I can hardly wait for Sabbath to begin, when does it start tonight?" Better yet, the most unlikely comment, "Mom, I wish Sabbath would never end." Dennis J. Fischer |
