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Madelia
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Username: Madelia
Post Number: 116
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, January 14, 2005 - 7:11 am: |     |
Dennis,
As a diabetes educator, I had to chuckle at your post. I remember when the SDA church had a baby shower for me, my mom (who is Lutheran) complained later about the sweet iced tea that was served.
Even before I became SDA, I was struck with how vegetarians can be so virtuous about not eating meat, but certainly enjoyed their desserts and sweets. I went on a hiking trip in Vermont once and our guides were both vegetarian. They each would have double portions of dessert. I agree with Chris, you can have a healthy vegetarian diet, but I never understood how eating those canned Worthington brand fake meats was healthier than a piece of chicken! |
Bb
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Username: Bb
Post Number: 55
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, January 14, 2005 - 8:32 am: | |
Didn't Ellen say somewhere that you should only have about a teaspoon of sugar per day? And she said that cheese should never be introduced into the stomach, and that you should never combine eggs and milk and flour. But they can ignore those teachings because it was not a "salvation" issue like meat is. My mother wanted my sisters to pray for me because she found out I was drinking coffee, so I believe Ellen says that tea and coffee are "sins" too. That is why meat, tea and coffee are the most evil to adventists. |
Pheeki
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Username: Pheeki
Post Number: 461
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Friday, January 14, 2005 - 8:43 am: | |
My strict SDA diet relatives all died of things everyone else died of...cancer, stroke, etc. And the ones living now don't exercise and eat tons of carbs and are very heavy for the most part. Then I have an uncle who has smoked a cigar everyday of his life, used to own a bar and is raising his third set (great, great) of grandkids and driving them to school...He is in his high 80's. Go figure!
I had an SDA co-worker tell me that her daughter-in-law's brain cancer was probably because she ate pork! Can you imagine the mental torment if she told her d-i-l that? The guilt that she caused her children to be motherless over pork!
Hey, why didn't Ellen see the future and tell us about the evils of margerine (hydrogenated foods) that are killing people left and right. Turns out dairy is much better for you! Why didn't she warn us???? |
Raven
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Username: Raven
Post Number: 176
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, January 14, 2005 - 8:51 am: | |
I recall our family worship prayers as a very young child, younger than age 10. I can't remember if my siblings did this, but everyday I faithfully prayed that my Grandpa would quit drinking coffee and my aunt would quit smoking. It must have been impressed on me that those were critical issues--even though those relatives had no desire, that I was aware of, to quit. My SDA Grandpa died many years ago, and up until his death, he never did quit drinking coffee. My aunt never became SDA and I believe she still smokes.
I also remember at this age, after family worship, going around to each of my many siblings, one at a time, and asking them if they would forgive "whatever wrong" I may have done them. Somehow I had the idea that not only did we have to confess every thing to God, but also had to confess to each other to really make things right. I don't know of anyone else who went that far. Did anyone else experience that type of legalism? |
Freeatlast
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Username: Freeatlast
Post Number: 263
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Friday, January 14, 2005 - 8:52 am: | |
uh, not supposed to question what Ellen didn't tell us... At least not any more than we're supposed to question what God didn't say in Scripture. Just comply with what she did write about and everything will be just fine... |
Carol_2
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Username: Carol_2
Post Number: 223
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Friday, January 14, 2005 - 9:07 am: | |
Along those same lines, Raven, I remember as a young child praying every night that my dad would become an adventist. Never that he come to know the Lord or be saved....just that he would become sda. |
Susan_2
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Username: Susan_2
Post Number: 1350
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Friday, January 14, 2005 - 9:11 am: | |
Once or twice per year those SDA independent ministries (such as FFT, etc) rent very nice motels with meeting rooms for their high-stakes doners. It used to be that those who gave a thousand bucks or more per year got to attend these functions. My kin love it because the facility is always very nice and the rooms have coffee pots wuith all the coffe they could possibly want to drink and all the extras. These facilities also have room service so when the faithful want meat they can just order it delivered. These faciluities also have bars. My kin have never invited me to come with them but if I ever do the bar is where I'll be. And then I would tell all the others in there I am here attending the **** convention. Oh, I can have such a tacky sense of humor sometimes. |
Pw
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Username: Pw
Post Number: 262
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Friday, January 14, 2005 - 9:53 am: | |
I recall those pot luck dinners at the SDA church, and they sure did load up on the desserts. I think since they are in such a restrictive lifestyle that this is their one true enjoyment in life. Just like the JW's love their alcohol. |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 1258
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Friday, January 14, 2005 - 10:00 am: | |
Good point, Pw.
Yes, Raven--I learned in my kingergarten Sabbath School that it wasn't enough to confess our sins to God; we had to confess to our mothers as well. I can remember my absolute agony after that about trying to drum up the courage to report the tiniest mishaps. I felt SO burdened by it all.
Praise God for Jesus!
Colleen |
Susan_2
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Username: Susan_2
Post Number: 1353
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Friday, January 14, 2005 - 4:07 pm: | |
Pw, you seem to know alot about the JW. Do you have JW kin? Yes, I know many JW's very well and yes, they are extreme boozers, at least the ones I know.They can be boozers right out in the open. Their other vices they have to be sneeky to do. |
Bb
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Username: Bb
Post Number: 56
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, January 15, 2005 - 8:16 pm: | |
Raven, I was TORMENTED by worry that I had not confessed every last sin as a child. I would wake up in the night and worry about whether I had told a true lie or white lie, and should I confess to so and so that I said such and such when I really meant to say something else. Do you see what I mean? I remember my mother telling me that I would not enter heaven if I had one unconfessed sin in my life.
Finally, as a teenager, I reasoned....."I will just do as many sins as I can (since I can't get over this guilt) and maybe God will forgive me in the end because He will know that it is impossible for me to remember every sin I committed. So I dabbled in sins like cheating, lying, stealing (petty things) until my conscience was not so strong. Pretty strange reasoning huh?
Finally in my 30's somehow I figured out GRACE. I must have read some books, but I was searching, and my searching led me out of this bondage of SDAism! Praise the Lord!
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