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| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 262 Registered: 10-2004 |
I think this is one of the funniest statements and one of the most amazing confessions in EGW's writings:
So much for being an "inspired" writer!!! So in later compilations such as Counsels on Diet and Foods they changed the sentence but said that it came from the Youth's Instructor article! Notice that she says "an article"--she won't even say "my article" or "an article of mine"--she won't even claim that it was "hers"! She probably did not even write the sentence at all--notice how she says she "would desire that the sentence be modified by changing the 'not'." She doesn't say that that's how she originally wrote it--she probably didn't even want that sentence in their at all, but didn't want to admit that she didn't write her own articles!! It is known that her secretary would write articles for her. And she admits that her letters were changed!
And yet she was totally dependent on Fannie Bolton for articles for the paper, and would not publish articles without her!!! "I could keep two supplied with work, but I shall be satisfied with one good brain worker who can prepare matter for the papers. Unless Fannie recovers, I must give up my articles in the papers or secure another helper. [...] I may have to call Mary Steward to come to my help, or let the papers rest awhile. Mary could get out Testimony No. 34, which is much needed." (Manuscript Release No. 926: The Fannie Bolton Story, page 10.) This whole Manuscript Release is fascinating to read--it does not sound like a prophet of God writing at all! And then there is this amazing confession:
Can you believe that one?! She's admitting that God didn't guide her? Or she's saying the Lord didn't do a good enough job guiding her the first time, to convince people? So she has to help God out and correct "His Word"?? Maybe she means that "those not of our faith" would expect verbal inspiration/inerrancy, so she had to try to fix all the errors to convince them that God had guided her, since God hadn't guided her well enough!! Anyway you look at it, it's a horribly blasphemous quote! Jeremy | ||
| Ric_b Registered user Username: Ric_b Post Number: 175 Registered: 7-2004 |
The more I learn, the more deliberate the deception seems. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 930 Registered: 3-2004 |
Jeremy, The longer I am out of adventism, the more I find out about it. Especially about the writings of EGW. Of course, her writings define adventism. I am astounded that the early leaders let her get away with all this. She was known to be false from the very beginning and when any tried to point out her errors, they were condemned. I am so THANKFUL AND HAPPY I am no longer a part of that churhch. God has been so awesome in taking me out of it and He started doing it a long time ago. Diana | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 263 Registered: 10-2004 |
I do think the deception was deliberate. I don't remember the details, but there was a whole scam and coverup with Ellen and her son Willie regarding a "Salamanca" vision. Also, people such as Jones and the Kellogg brothers proved to her that her "testimonies" were false, but she refused to admit it publicly. She and Willie would just cover things up all the time. The SDA church has simply continued in that tradition. Jeremy | ||
| Goldenbear Registered user Username: Goldenbear Post Number: 37 Registered: 12-2004 |
Back when I was teaching social studies, an eighth grader aske about the Soviet Union. If there were only (proportionatly) a small number of communist controlling the country, why didn't the people just rise up and throw off the oppresion. It is sometimes hard for Americans and for that matter most anyone raised in a free society to understand oppression such as this. I wonder about the correlation to Adventism. Why haven't thinking people who can critically think about everything else, not seen the flaws in the logic and rhetoric of Adventism. The table was set so many years ago, with fear and intimidation. I thought, Jeremy, your choice of quotes said it rather nicely. People didn't think the reproofs were stinging enough unless it came from Ellen's pen. Fannie must have realized the vindictiveness of her pen and tried to soften them. Who would ever question a person, a spiritual "big brother" if you will, if you risked public repremand for supposed indescretions or that you would be shown to have "spots on your robe" for the very act of questioning. My wife and I are amazed at how quickly a person could change from being "saved" in EGW's book to having spots on their robe, when all that seemed to happen was that you questioned her. | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1348 Registered: 11-2002 |
Goldenbear, Your mentioning of a spiritual big brother that some folks take without questioning is interesting. I try to be attending a weekly Bible study in a home group. The topic change. However, generally in these groups I attend everyone is Lutheran. And, the idea of questioning and open discussion is greatly encouraged. In fact, sometimes fiven a certan Bibical passage there is a quique understanding of it for as many people are in the group that night. I remember always being told the Sabbath School part of the weekly SDA service was ment to be open discussion. However, I also recall any view mentioned that is not towing the SDA line, no matter how much Bible is presented, is not welcomed. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 1257 Registered: 12-2003 |
Jeremy, thanks for the quotes. Rick, I absolutely agree with you--the deception was very deliberate. It was interesting to me that she admitted she couldn't keep up with the "papers" without Fannie or someone equally gifted. The spirit of deception is Satan's claim on Adventism. It's subtle and powerful and all-encompassing. It veils the supremacy of Christ and the eternal mercy and justice of God. It cripples people and binds them in complacency and fear--at the same time, in some paradoxical way. Praise God for truth and the Holy Spirit and Jesus! Colleen | ||
| Pw Registered user Username: Pw Post Number: 263 Registered: 6-2004 |
Jeremy, please keep the quotes coming. I threw away all those SDA books over 18 years ago but re-reading them now is really mind blowing to think I actually bought into these claims. Wow. | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 99 Registered: 7-2004 |
Pw, if you were raised in Adventism, then you knew no other way until you started thinking for yourself. I liked the fact that Goldenbear brought up the question about Communism. The two societies are not that dissimilar. In order to live in peace and safety within the culture, you must never question the reasoning behind actions that are imposed upon you. Therefore, you live in a state of quiet unrest until, at least for us, the Holy Spirit makes it clear that it is alright to question the order of things. Ellen White was a confused person who was used as a puppet to begin with, then she started to savor the power she had be given and she relished controlling so many people with her edicts. Yes, she required the assistance of secretaries to help her remain clear (didn't work very well, did it) about what she may have said on similar topics at some previous time. We have that fact to celebrate because it makes it so easy to throw off the yoke we carried for so long. Give me Jesus, because the yoke he has placed on my shoulders fits my shoulders, and it feels like he has even put padding where I need it! Belva | ||
| Pw Registered user Username: Pw Post Number: 264 Registered: 6-2004 |
No, I wasn't raised SDA (thankfully), but I can see how it must of been a lot harder to break away from if I were. Even so, we all experienced pretty much the same damaging teachings, be it one year or for most of our lives. | ||
| Dane Registered user Username: Dane Post Number: 93 Registered: 4-2004 |
Jeremy, Check out www.ellenwhite.org/salma.htm This is an article from a 1986 issue of Adventist Currents that gives some good perspective on the Salamanca issue. Dane | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 269 Registered: 10-2004 |
Here is another amazing quote from EGW, which directly contradicts Romans 3:28! Romans 3:28 says: "For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law." (NASB.) "Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law." (KJV.) But EGW directly contradicts this and says:
Jeremy | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 1268 Registered: 12-2003 |
Oh, my. There it is--we are justified by keeping the law. How Adventists manipulate those words and veil their true meaning when they "witness" and evangelize and make their carefully-worded PR statements. There you have it--the actual words they believe, yet they simultaneously blur their meaning in their own heads and attempt to claim they are a mainstream evangelical church. Sigh. |
