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Susan_2
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Username: Susan_2
Post Number: 1363
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 - 6:05 pm: |     |
Well, isn't that just jumping from the frying pan into thew fire? |
Pw
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Username: Pw
Post Number: 273
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 8:03 am: | |
Prince was raised a SDA and is now a JW?
Hmmm, this is how it must sound when doves cry. |
Chris
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Username: Chris
Post Number: 576
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 8:46 am: | |
It's too bad Prince didn't stay SDA. We could've had great songs like:
"Latter Rain"
"Darling Ellen"
"We're going to party like it's 1844!"
Chris
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Pw
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Username: Pw
Post Number: 274
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 9:14 am: | |
and other would be classics like:
"Let's Go Crazy... After The Sabbath"
"Diamonds and Pearls... Are Forbidden"
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Carol_2
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Username: Carol_2
Post Number: 228
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 9:34 am: | |
You guys are cracking me up! |
Carol_2
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Username: Carol_2
Post Number: 229
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 9:34 am: | |
P.S. No offense intended......I'm originally a midwesterner, and I call everyone "guys" regardless of the gender. |
Pw
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Username: Pw
Post Number: 275
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 9:40 am: | |
One more hit to include on this special cd offer if you act right now:
"Blasphemy Beret" |
Belvalew
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Username: Belvalew
Post Number: 102
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 9:41 am: | |
Lets go easy on Prince. It's obvious he was raised in rather odd circumstances and it deeply affected him. It is sad that when he changed alliegences that he merely changed into another crazy situation. I recommend that we continue our prayers for current and former SDA's, and those prayers will cover those SDA's who are also famous.
I had the great pleasure of seeing Little Richard preach when I was about 11. He had only recently converted to SDAism, and the meeting was held in a small chapel near my home. The man could preach a moving message. The fire and energy that has always defined him was very present at that evening meeting. I knew everyone in the congregation that night, but they had never before sung as they did that night (nor did they ever again!). I really can't remember the topic of his message, but I do remember his presence. What I pray for is that individuals such as Little Richard, who are obviously gifted by God, will come to be fully aware of the Gospel and Grace, and will thus, through their influence, bring that knowledge to mainstream SDA's.
Belva |
Pw
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Username: Pw
Post Number: 276
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 10:32 am: | |
No one's making fun of him, just the songs.
However we should pray for the artist formerly know as Prince...I mean, "symbol"...I mean, Prince again. |
Derrell
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Username: Derrell
Post Number: 34
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 11:19 am: | |
Hi Weimarred,
I'm an old Weimartian and assume you are too. When were you there?
Derrell |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 1285
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 1:11 pm: | |
Derrell, it's good to hear from you again! How are you?
I continue to pray for you and your children.
Colleen |
Tracey
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Username: Tracey
Post Number: 145
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 6:48 pm: | |
PW and Chris are hilarious!! |
Tracey
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Username: Tracey
Post Number: 146
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 7:15 pm: | |
Somebody on the previous page of this thread said how could a person of color become SDA if they knew or learned what EGW said..
Well, when I learned of it (I dated an SDA), I ran down this whole list of Goofy and stupid things that that woman had said in her lifetime.
And most recently he viewed the DVD Spirit Behind the truth, where it makes more comments about stupid things she said.
Unfortunately, his response eventually became "she doesn't matter" and "I don't know half the stuff about her that you know."
We are both black and it's not offensive because she was ignorant and uneducated and I wouldn't expect any better from a child of the devil. She could only tell what was in her own heart. What I really just hate that the spirit of deception continued through the church to prevent people from coming to the true gospel of Jesus Christ which brings us into personal relationship with Him.
And yes, I do know that the enemy comes to steal, kill and destroy and to deceive and take people to Hell with him and he used EGW very well, I might add.
But I know that God is more powerful and stronger than any devil in hell!! People that we love will be freed! Look at all of You!
I praise God for you getting free! |
Chris
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Username: Chris
Post Number: 584
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 22, 2005 - 10:19 am: | |
Tracey, what I find most offensive about EGW's racism is the cover up that is still carried out today. If Ellen White, one of the primary founding forces in Adventism, was a racist (and she most certainly was), then the denomination should put it out on the table and repent of the racism in it's past and present.
But what you mostly get are people saying she never said such things or trying to explain away what her true meaning was. Why not just say, "Yes, she was a racist. I find her racist comments abhorrent, I denounce them, and vow to stamp out the racism that still exist in the denomination today."? I have yet to hear any SDA in a leadership postion say such a thing.
Chris |
Flyinglady
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Username: Flyinglady
Post Number: 944
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, January 22, 2005 - 10:52 am: | |
Chris,
I agree with you. No one, in all my years as an SDA, ever pointed out what she said and even though I had her red books, I just never read them. They were boring and scary at times.
I do want to tell you of an incident that happened to me when I was working at a psychiatric hospital in Washington, DC. I attended church in Alexandria, VA. There was a doctor and his wife who attended there. He also worked at the same hospital I did. One day I met him in a hall that connected the wards. This is what he said to me,"The black people have their churches and should go there and the spanish speaking should go to their churches". Now, I am of Mexican descent, with an olive complexion, but was not raised speaking Spanish. My reply was, "Doctor, I am obviously not black, and I do not speak Spanish, so which church should I attend?" Up until then they had asked me to sing with them when then gave special music in church and after this they never talked to me. I look back, laugh and shake my head at people who are prejudice and I pray for them. I laugh because if I did not I would get so angy and there is nothing I can do about their prejudice. Only God can do something about that. I just had a "whoa" moment. God put those words in my mouth. I did not realize it until now. He is awesome.
Diana
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Tracey
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Username: Tracey
Post Number: 151
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, January 22, 2005 - 12:18 pm: | |
Chris,
These are the things that I have said also. Why not just expose it and denounce it. People can be understanding to that sort of action. But to ignore it like the other things just seems easier. I told him the the GC should write something formally about the church's mistakes and historical doctrines that are wrong. He said he didnt' need a piece of paper to say that stuff (all her words) were false. He knew it and that was good enough.
That's why I was looking for those stages of understanding adventists who leave b/c C is in that first stage of denial or whatever it was the person posted..
If anyone finds that, please tell me so.
It was like denial, anger, searching for the truth.. I don't remember it all but I do knw that a man typed it in this last week or so.
Thnaks.
Tracey |
Flyinglady
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Username: Flyinglady
Post Number: 948
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, January 22, 2005 - 2:09 pm: | |
Denial is the first stage of the grief process. And when one leaves the SDA church or any cultic type organization they go through the same grief process one goes through when a loved one dies. I do not remember all of the stages, but one does not go through them in an orderly fashion. There is anger and the last one is acceptance. One skips between the stages until they come to acceptance. That is when it is accepted that what happened, happened, be it a death, a leaving a church or whatever needs to be accepted. The good thing I have found is that God is with me through it all and even carries me at times. He has shown me and continues to show me how awesome he is.
Diana |
Bob
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Username: Bob
Post Number: 42
Registered: 7-2000
| | Posted on Saturday, January 22, 2005 - 2:37 pm: | |
Diana, after I withdrew my membership from the SDA church, I was so angry about institutional religion in general and Adventism in particular, that for 10 years I did not go to church anywhere. I was stuck in the "anger" stage for entirely too long. It was only after I connected with Richard and Colleen and other "formers" a few years ago that I was able to acknowledge my anger and move into the "acceptance" stage.
You are right, each of us is different in the way we go through the stages of grief, and the time length involved varies for each of us. We need to remember that, and to be loving and supportive of our other friends who are working their way through this process.
Bob |
Flyinglady
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Username: Flyinglady
Post Number: 950
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, January 22, 2005 - 3:36 pm: | |
I found the 5 stages of the grief process, thank you Colleen. They are denial, bargaining, anger, depression and acceptance. I have a brother who was in denial when our Mom got sick and died. He bargained with God and got very angry. But he did not give up on God. I have gone through the stages when Mom died, when I divorced and when I was in the loooong process of leaving the SDA church. For me it started before my son was born. I did not realize it at the time, but I see it now. Thank God He is so patient and is so awesome.
Diana |
Susan_2
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Username: Susan_2
Post Number: 1380
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, January 22, 2005 - 4:17 pm: | |
Chris, a # of years ago at the Soquel, Ca. campmeeting was a display along the back of the main building of the cultural/ethnic/racial diversity throught the decades of Adventism. There were several pictures of Sojourner Truth in that pictorial. My SDA kin like to say that Sojourner Truth and EGW were very good friends, that ST was just about to embrase Adventism as the true religion but her life ended before she could formalize this committment. Being the forever sceptic of anything good that SDA's say in their defense I have read several bigraphies about ST. None have mentioned her being almost taken in by EGW or the SDA. I have wonded for years if this isn't another SDA myth. Does anyone on here know? |
Weimarred
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Username: Weimarred
Post Number: 23
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 11:08 am: | |
Sorry, Derrell,
somehow I missed your post about being an old Weimartian! I've been off and on with this forumn because of my schedule.
I was at the "Institute" from about 82 to 88, and a partial in 89 (long story). How's about you?
Haven't had much contact with anyone, but recently got e-mails from Jeff, Marcie, and Karen, sort of out of the blue. |
