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| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 1279 Registered: 12-2003 |
Thanks, Jeremy. I'll go back and cut and paste them into a "Vocabulary Document". Any input you all can give is welcome!! I also have a sort-of sick feeling reading Batchelor's email. I am praying that God will glorfiy Himself and uplift Christ regarding this event, and that the spirit of Adventism will be exposed and broken. We truly do not fight against flesh and blood. The good news, though, is a text that just riveted me this week. It was our memory passage in our women's Bible study: Colossians 1:28-29: "We proclaim him, admonishing and teaching everyone with all wisdom, so that we may present everyone perfect in Christ. To this end I labor, struggling with all his energy which so powerfully works in me." I never noticed before that phrase that states we STRUGGLE with HIS energy which works powerfully in me. We take the arrows for Jesus; we do the actual physical labor--but it is HE who provides the energy. It is HE who fights against the spiritual powers of wickedness which are our true foe. So, we can pray for God to accomplish His will for His glory, and Doug Batchelor will not be able to stop God's sovereign purposes. Even if this (really upsetting to me!) series is a go, God can use even it to ultimately bring glory to Himself. It reminds me of the passage in Exodus where God told Moses to tell Pharaoh that He could have brought a plague upon the Egyptians that would have wiped them out and released the Jews, but He didn't because He wanted to use Pharaoh to bring glory to Himself. Indeed, Pharaoh's hard heart created a situation the world still remembers. God miraculously released the Israelites; they didn't just manage to escape because the Egyptians died off! We do have an awesome calling to pray for God's will and for God's intervention. BTW, Jeremy, Richard was laughing about that Lisbon earthquake/Ellen statement a couple of weeks ago, too. Uh--talk about your false prophets...! Colleen | ||
| Freeatlast Registered user Username: Freeatlast Post Number: 266 Registered: 5-2002 |
Here's a definition for you: "Salvation by Grace" = Being empowered by the Holy Spirit to secure salvation by works. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 1281 Registered: 12-2003 |
Oh, that's good! It's copied into The Document! Colleen | ||
| Goldenbear Registered user Username: Goldenbear Post Number: 41 Registered: 12-2004 |
I don't know if I have ever heard a denomination use the word THE as much as SDA... The work The truth The church or how about Traveling mercies | ||
| Madelia Registered user Username: Madelia Post Number: 117 Registered: 2-2003 |
What are Traveling mercies? | ||
| Chris Registered user Username: Chris Post Number: 580 Registered: 7-2003 |
Traveling Mercies (trav'-el-ing mur'-sees): What one asks for when one is afraid that they may die in a car accident, sleep in the ground, and then be annialated. Annialation following auto crash is a serious risk as 98.9% of those killed in car crashes swear at the moment of impact and are never able to confess that sin. | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 106 Registered: 7-2004 |
Chris, you dog you! You are right, though. Even the best of us swear under stress! | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 1283 Registered: 12-2003 |
Chris, I'm sitting here laughing!! SO funny! Goldenbear, I love your "The" phrases, too! You're right--Adventists have "The" everything as opposed to "a" thing. In other words, their "work", "Truth", "church" is not one of many equal options; its THE ONLY RIGHT ONE. It's all so subtle, pervasive, and powerful. Colleen | ||
| Madelia Registered user Username: Madelia Post Number: 118 Registered: 2-2003 |
Is that what "traveling mercies" is? Is that why my husband wants to pray every time we get in the car? Here's one I thought of: before I got sucked into the SDa church, I had never heard the term "latter rain" before. Anyone have a definition for that. And, Goldenbear, yes, THE TRUTH= keeping the Sabbath, not that Jesus is The Way, The Truth and The Life | ||
| Derrell Registered user Username: Derrell Post Number: 35 Registered: 10-2002 |
Hehe "traveling mercies" How about... -Endtime message -Final days of Earth's history -Present truth -The remnant few | ||
| Chris Registered user Username: Chris Post Number: 583 Registered: 7-2003 |
Madelia, historically the term "latter rain" is related to the crop cycles in Palestine. There were two seasons when rain was likely so you had an "early rain" and a "latter rain". In a spiritual sense, the Bible applies the term to an out pouring of the Holy Spirit that will occur in latter times. There are two schools of thought as to when this time is. The first school sees this outpouring of the Holy Spirit upon believers as beginning at Pentacost. The latter days are the Church Age or the period in which the New Covenant is in effect ("latter" in reference to being after the Jewish dispensation and after the Old Covenant). I would agree with this interpretation. The second school of thought believes that this outpouring of the Holy Spirit has not happened yet (some would say it's just beginning), but will happen immediately before the second coming. The "latter days" are a short period immediately proceeding the return of Christ. SDAs and many charismatic protestants accept this interpretation. Chris | ||
| Madelia Registered user Username: Madelia Post Number: 119 Registered: 2-2003 |
Thanks Chris. It was a totally unfamiliar term to me when I joined the SDA church | ||
| Ric_b Registered user Username: Ric_b Post Number: 185 Registered: 7-2004 |
One more definition to add (thanks to Raven): "We are told..." means "EGW wrote with Scripture like authority..." | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 279 Registered: 10-2004 |
Also, "Inspiration says..." (and "the pen of inspiration") always means the above, too. I don't think they ever say "Inspiration says..." to refer to the Bible, do they? Also note the capital 'I' at all times! Jeremy | ||
| Ric_b Registered user Username: Ric_b Post Number: 186 Registered: 7-2004 |
or the ever subtle "My favorite author" which also always refers to EGW. Funny that it isn't Daniel or John or even Moses, but always Ellen. | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1375 Registered: 11-2002 |
I put the difination of grace above under the topic heading, I Would Like Your Comments. Some other specific words in Adventsm would be: 1. The Three Angels Message, 2. The health message, 3.The Spirit of Prophecy (This one is just plain blasphomas.), 4. Asleep in the grave, 5. Sleeping until Jesus comes, 6. The connandments (This one ONLY means the 4th one. Have any of you ever heard entire sermons on any of the other nine?), 7. Abortion (In SDA language this one has no difination as the SDA organization refuses to publically proclaim itself eithor pro-choice or pro-life.), 8. The Great Controversery, 9... Gosh, SDA'ism has its own language. All those words and terms I mentioned have a different meaning to SDA's than to Christians. | ||
| Tracey Registered user Username: Tracey Post Number: 144 Registered: 9-2004 |
I remember being at an SDA last year ( I actually stopped attending other than 2 times since I found this website last September, I believe) And I said "Amen!" when the pastor said something like "The spirit of prophecy guides and gives direction". Of course I said amen to the fact that the Lord will give someone a gift of prophecy or the spirit of the Lord can come upon someone on occasion to prophesy. It took months before I realized what I had said amen to. And it was only because of this website. I was there visiting 10 months and totally interpreted the words I heard the correct way that they are taught in the Word of God. I had no idea. that sickens me. | ||
| Tracey Registered user Username: Tracey Post Number: 147 Registered: 9-2004 |
On Jan. 14, Praise God said this: I was hoping he was more astute, but then how many equally brilliant pastors have been fooled. How would you respond to him? I could give him a list of cult-like features. This pastor is planting a church and had close to 300 on his first Sunday so he is someone with a lot of influence in the community. Any suggestions on approach would be greatly appreciated. Praise God... PG, This is why I believe that the dictionary will expose the subtle nature of SDAism that prevents other pastors, teachers etc. from really recognizing it as a cult. Like I said, I went for 10 months and heard the words spoken in that church the way that I had been properly taught-- not how they use them. | ||
| Praisegod Registered user Username: Praisegod Post Number: 213 Registered: 3-2004 |
Tracey, your story about saying "amen" to the spirit of prophecy reference shows how valuable your input is here. It is those Christians most recently pulled in to Adventism who will hear those kind of statments for what they are once the Holy Spirit identifies the "real" SDA meaning. Maybe I'm just slow, but having been a lifelong Adventist, I had to learn the new language from outside looking back at all my years within the denomination. I had no clue as to the huge chasm of definitions. But then again, until God started pulling me out, I didn't interact over topics of faith with the "world" (translation--Christians other than Adventists as well as unbelievers.) Praise God... | ||
| Ric_b Registered user Username: Ric_b Post Number: 187 Registered: 7-2004 |
Definition "Christians other than Adventists" = Those who haven't become SDA yet, but will. and I must add Spiritual gift=whatever the nominating committee asks you to do Did anyone else notice that SDAs only talk about Spiritual gifts in two contexts. EGW having the gift of prophecy and just before nominating committee time. Spiritual gift=something that can be defined by a paper and pencil test (although SDAs aren't the only ones who fall victim to this). |
