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| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1427 Registered: 11-2002 |
Thank-you, Diana for that text. I will read it for myself yet today. My son slammed an eightball (For you dopeheads out there this needs no explaniation. For you out there who don't know dope terms, it's just as well. An eightball is some real bad stuff.) into himself recently. I honestly thought he was going to die. He lay on the couch withering and incoherant. (This is not the same son as in the prayer request. It is another son. I have four sons.) I kept wanting to call 911 because I felt he needed emergency attention. I was talked out of calling 911 because no one wanted the cops over. So, I called the Lutheran pastor and he rushed right over and held my sons hand and prayed over him. I'll tell you, that man must have a direct line to heaven because within 24 hous my son was up and about. Still not recovered but at least not withering away unconscious. The minister did not pass judgement. In fact, when I told the pastor the circumstances he just assured me that God know each of our weaknesses and that His grace covers us while we are yet in sin. It made me reflect back on the SDA preacher who refused to pray with me because I was living in open sin. Which brings me to another thing I wanted to bring up. Yesterday I grabbed the Feb. 2005 issue of The Sgns Of The Times. On pages 11 and 12 is an article by Doug Batchlor titled, "Freedom From Addicion". In the middle of the right hand colum on page 11 he is stressing how liberating keeping the law is. Then he says this,"Jesus came to save us FROM our sins, not IN our sins" To my understanding of grace this totally annialates grace or any concept of grace. We cannot be free from sin without the redemption of Jesus. As the Apostles Creed says we are sinful by nature and we sin in thought, word, and deed in both our actions and our inactions. I think DB is totally missing the point. Also, the word "from" is past tense. The word "in" is present tense. So, I can only figure out that DB says to be forgiven we must have to remember to seekforgiveness for every sin after we have committed it. This then would doom everyone to eternal punshment if they were suddenly killed and didn't have time to ask forgiveness of every sin. Again, this is grace, that we have the assurance of our salvation, not FROM but IN . | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 976 Registered: 3-2004 |
Susan, A question for you. Why do you keep reading the SDA literature when you know that they distort the scripture??? Why not just read the Bible? Just some questions for you to mull over. I do not expect any answers. I am glad your Lutheran pastor came over and prayed for your son. Look into the Tough Love support group. It can help you with your son. Love you friend and do not want anything to happen to you. God is awesome. Diana | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1428 Registered: 11-2002 |
Diana, I keep reading the SDA literature so when my SDA loved ones come at me I know where they're coming from. I just think I need to stay on top of things. They read all that same trash and then they make comments to me and I know where the seed for those comments came from. I just know they can't possibly come up with all their loony comments on their own. When I lived in another state and the times I have lived far from any of my SDA kin I read no SDA literature. But, when I have their imput given to me I like to know what I'm up against. In a nutshell, that's why. | ||
| Bartdanr Registered user Username: Bartdanr Post Number: 5 Registered: 11-2004 |
Denise and Diana, thank you both for sharing such painful experiences with us. Our God is a God of grace and mercy; and one day, we shall see these children in heaven. One of the biggest ironies to me in Adventism is the strong pacifistic stance combined with indifference about infants, pre- and post-born. In Christ, Daniel | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 1333 Registered: 12-2003 |
I agree, Daniel. It's such a contradictory position. Colleen | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 304 Registered: 10-2004  |
Yes, according to SDAism, it's fine to murder a harmless, innocent baby, but fighting in war against evil dangerous men is sinful!!! Jeremy | ||
| Tracey Registered user Username: Tracey Post Number: 169 Registered: 9-2004 |
I'll be honest,Dennis. I believe the Lord will allow you and your wife to raise your baby and take care of him in heaven. It might not be written in the Word of God, but wouldn't it be just like Him to have such compassion for people like yourself especially He having given up His own son?? Think about it. He's just that good to us. But what the Word of God DOES indeed say in Ephesians 2 is that He is able to do exceedingly, abundantly above all that we could ask or think!! So let your request be made known, Dennis! Don't be afraid to hope or believe! Tracey | ||
| Tracey Registered user Username: Tracey Post Number: 170 Registered: 9-2004 |
And Diana, You are not excluded from that last post! Tracey | ||
| Melissa Registered user Username: Melissa Post Number: 700 Registered: 7-2003  |
Thank you, Dennis and Diana for sharing your personal stories. I know my mother lost a child only a few hours after birth and she never got to see him alive. It's one of those griefs you never fully recover from, I don't think. Blessings to you both. | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 307 Registered: 10-2004 |
"GOD IS ADVENTIST" At the 2003 Arizona Camp Meeting, speaker Frank Gonzalez had an amazing sermon called "One in Christ's Passion." I have the whole sermon in an audio file on the computer, and I heard the sermon earlier today. I clipped some snippets of audio, and I will give the links to a few of them. I can link to some more, if anyone wants to hear more. He actually says these words: "God, who is an Adventist god..." And guess what? He was saying that that is what he told a group of non-Adventists at some non-Adventist guy's funeral!!! You can hear it for yourself here. Then later in the sermon he says, "God is Adventist" Listen to it here. And he has this arrogant laugh after he says these things. He also said that Adam and Eve were Adventist, and he teaches that they only talked to God once a week (on Sabbath), and that before the first "Sabbath" they hadn't even talked to God but had probably talked to an angel or two! He says that Adam and Eve wondered if God would come to them and talk to them. And he says that they were important enough in themselves for God to come to them!! Listen to that here. He also said some other amazing things. I may link to some more clips later. Jeremy | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 978 Registered: 3-2004 |
WOW!!! I guess I should not be surprised over anything an SDA says or writes. But, I am. How can any one misunderstand what the Bible says. That is a rhetorical question, because I know that when one has on the EGW filters they cannot understand or see what the Bible says. It just blows my mind when a minister makes comments like that. God is so awesome. Diana | ||
| Seekr777 Registered user Username: Seekr777 Post Number: 40 Registered: 1-2003  |
Jeremy, can you give me the link to the entire sermon? I'd like to hear it in it's entirety. Well maybe I'll fast forward at times.  richard | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 308 Registered: 10-2004 |
I have the entire sermon on my computer in RealAudio format, but it is 6.72MB and my upload limit for my webspace is 5MB. If you have AOL Instant Messenger or something like that, I could probably send you the file, though. Jeremy | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 1336 Registered: 12-2003 |
Absolutely amazing. But then, I guess we always knew that God was probably Adventist! Certainly He was going to celebrate Sabbath with us every week in heaven--all that in a place where there would be no night! Colleen | ||
| Ric_b Registered user Username: Ric_b Post Number: 195 Registered: 7-2004  |
I wish I could say that it surprised me. Well actually the part about only speaking to God once a week did. But that really sums up SDA thinking and practice quite well. This 24 hours is God's (but I can nap through most of it), but the rest is mine. It seems he wants to limit God's involvement with man. | ||
| Raven Registered user Username: Raven Post Number: 185 Registered: 7-2004  |
My first thought was that pastor must not have read his Uncle Arthur Bible Story books, because I remember hearing that God met with Adam and Eve every evening for worship, and then all day on Sabbath. However, I looked it up, and Uncle Arthur says nothing one way or the other. I did find it interesting, however, that when Uncle Arthur talks about the first Sabbath, he starts out by saying God carefully explained to Adam and Eve about the weekly cycle and that the seventh day is holy, etc. And then he interrupts himself and says, God MUST have explained this to them, because of the 4th commandment. It's obvious he's making an assumption with the way he words it! | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 1337 Registered: 12-2003 |
Ric--your observations above sum up the Adventist understanding of "being with" God. While they give lip service to the idea that we have to "walk with God all week", etc., in practice they expect to have to give up a 24-hour period for the sake of rote obedience in the hope of perhaps having an encounter that feels somewhat spiritual. The other six days are--well--THEIRS! And they avoid having "sacred" things intruding on "their" time. By all means, a church service (such as Christmas Eve, Easter, etc.) on THEIR time would be out of place and would be losing their own time when God doesn't require them to give it. The concept of actually experiencing JEsus all the time and losing the distinction between sacred and secular because ALL we do is His is something they cannot fathom. Jesus really does change Everything! Colleen | ||
| Pw Registered user Username: Pw Post Number: 290 Registered: 6-2004 |
Hey! How do you guys get those icons uploaded? | ||
| Carol_2 Registered user Username: Carol_2 Post Number: 245 Registered: 2-2002  |
Pw - check out the current conversation titled "Where Are You Now" and read it from the beginning. You begin with the "Edit Profile" link at the top right of your screen. Warning, the picture must be VERY small, just 50 x 50....but I actually figured out how to do this, so it CAN'T be hard. If you need more help, I suggest you ask Jeremy. Am loving "seeing" all of you now! | ||
| Chris Registered user Username: Chris Post Number: 607 Registered: 7-2003  |
Yeah, and it can't be smaller than 50 X 50 either. I tried to keep the same aspect ratio and go with 50 x 38 and it wouldn't work. So I had to stretch the width out to 50. As a result I look bloated. :-) Chris |
