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| Hrobinsonw Registered user Username: Hrobinsonw Post Number: 127 Registered: 7-2004 |
My wife has been going to a new church with me. And it is sooooooooooooo spirit filled. She loves the Sunday School Class and Everything. Today we went to pick up her SDA friend after Church. And out of the blue, she asks her friend, "do you really want to be Adventist." Now when I asked the same friend that a year and a half ago she argued with me for like 40 days and 40 nights. But just that quick she told my wife, "I don't know. I have so many questions. Too much doesn't add up. And what I read doesn't go with what I am told." Then my wife turned it over to me. And I began to spill about scripture after scripture and "Cultic Doctrine." I am amazed that the door has been pushed WIDE open. Tomorrow I am going to give her the book and let her read. I will begin to envite her to church with me on Sunday. I am so excited. I have been feeling guilty because I haven't won any souls outside of the Church to Christ. This is the best feeling. First Christ works with my wife. Then he uses my wife to open a door to others. I will let you know of this girls progress. But I will let her borrow "Cultic Doctirine." | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 346 Registered: 10-2004  |
That's great news! Is your wife now totally not an Adventist, totally out of Adventism? I remember how all of us didn't have faith that she would leave, we thought it was such a slim chance, but God can do whatever He wants and reveal truth to whomever He wills.  Jeremy | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1054 Registered: 3-2004  |
Hrob, I was one of those who is very glad your wife is leaving the SDA church. Like Jeremy I ask, is she totally out of the SDA church. I will be very glad to be proved wrong. You two continue to be in my prayers and I will add your wife's friend. God is awesome. Diana | ||
| Hrobinsonw Registered user Username: Hrobinsonw Post Number: 128 Registered: 7-2004 |
She has not taken her name out of the books yet. But everything that is SDA in her has died. She got her nails done yesterday. She goes to the mall on Saturday and talks her SDA friends into not going to church to go with her. Her cousin told me that she has always stated that she doesn't want to marry an Adventist and that she doesn't know if she wants to be one. Now she wants me to talk one on one to all of her friends. God is ABSOLUTELY amazing in my life. It was a huge hurdle but we are clearing it. Her family has been supportive. Secretly, her father let me know that her mother figured to try to weave SDA theology into the baby seeing as I work all of the time and She can spend as much time as she wants since my parents are 8 hours away. But let me tell you how God works. My father has been offered a job here. Reinforcements are on the way. If they think that I am heavily New Testament. Then they haven't seen nothing yet. It is like God has pulled her out of her situation. And he is now building walls up around us. It is so wonderful. I wouldn't say that you all didn't have faith. You gave spiritual advice and I had to follow God. I thank yall for being my friends through it all. | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1501 Registered: 11-2002 |
I am happy to hear that your wife and you have a Christ-centered spirit-filled church to attend. On this subject of churches I would like to share an amusing little story. I just came from the weekly service a little bit ago. The minister gave the children's sermon. He asked the kids, "Who does God want to spend eternity with Him?" One little boy got the right answer, which was, "Everyone". Then the minister asked how we can know that we will get to spend eternity with Jesus. The kids were confused so the pastor told the children that everyone who accepts Jesus as their Saviour, repents and lives to please Jesus will be in heaven with Jesus. BTW, this was in a Lutheran church. Then one little boy blurts out, "But, don't the Baptists get more points?" The minister then had to extend his children's talk and explain to the kids that no, Baptists don't get more points with God and even though we are Lutheran we don't get more points either as as it is very plain in the Bible that EVERYONE who professes Jesus as his saviour is saved, and that none of the denminations that we see even existed when Jesus was on earth so when it says everyone it means just that, everyone. It was cute and the little boys mom just couldn't figure out how he came up with such a comment. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 1406 Registered: 12-2003  |
Hrob, how wonderful! We'll keep praying. And how REALLY wonderful that your folks are moving near you! You know, you have every right to limit the amount of time people spend alone with your children--even limit it to never, if need to--in order to protect them. I know your mother-in-law believes she must teach your child Adventism because it is the "truth". She believes she must in order to be obedient. It's hard to say "no" to a grandma, but you really will have to set up boundaries or have clearly defined and agreed upon limits regarding what she says to and does with your child when it comes to spiritual things. Cute story, Susan! Colleen | ||
| Hrobinsonw Registered user Username: Hrobinsonw Post Number: 129 Registered: 7-2004 |
Definitely, Colleen. Hey, does Hebrew translation of the Bible take away from its validity. Meaning, does it center the Bible more on the Old Testament than the New Testament. Does it remove some of the relevance of the New Covenant. I was curious about the hype surrounding translations. | ||
| Chris Registered user Username: Chris Post Number: 642 Registered: 7-2003  |
Hrobinsonw, a couple of thoughts about your question above: The majority of scripture (Torah, Prophets, and Writings) were written in Hebrew originally (with some Aramaic in Daniel). So if you were able to read and understand a good Hebrew addition of the OT that would obviously be ideal and would be far superior to reading a translation into any other language. The NT was written in Koine Greek, so the ideal situation would be to be able to read and understand Koine Greek. However, most of the men writing the NT (with the possible exception of Luke) spoke Aramaic natively. All of Jesus' sayings and parables were probably orignially spoken in Aramaic and the Gospel writers translated them into Greek when writing them down. Since Aramaic is a close cousin to Hebrew, it seems to me that a Hebrew translation of the NT could have the potential to be quite good. It would always be ideal to be able to read the original languages, but since most of us can't we have to settle for the best translations available. I think it all comes down to the translators, their method, and their intent. ALL translation by it's very nature involves some intepretation. There is no getting around this. If you run into someone that says, "I like such and such a translation because there's no interpretation in this translation" you can be sure that that person does not understand languages or the translation process. I'll say it again, ALL translation by it's very nature involves some intepretation. Different tranlations use different approaches to translation, such as word for word vs. thought for thought. Both of these approaches have various strengths and weaknesses when it comes to conveying correct information. So we need to choose the right tool for the job. I personally recommend a fairly literal (word for word) translation, like the NASB, for serious Bible study. However, this tranlation would not be my first choice for explaining a scriptural concept to my kids because word-for-word translations tend to lose the nuances of meaning when attemption to substitute one word in the receptor language for one word in the host language. A dynamic (thought for thought) translation like the NIV ofter conveys the origianl nuances of the Greek or Hebrew more accurately by using more than one English word to translate a single Greek or Hebrew word. (It's very rare for a receptor language to have any one word that has the exact same range of meaning as another single word in the host language). All this is a long winded way of saying, as long as the tranlators are firmly committed to accurately conveying what the writers of the NT intended to convey in the Greek, there is no reason why a Hebrew translation of the NT could not be just as good as an English, German, or French translation. Chris | ||
| Hrobinsonw Registered user Username: Hrobinsonw Post Number: 130 Registered: 7-2004 |
I was wondering. I was watching the Reggie White Story and I was wondering what I was missing in my own personal studies that he was finding by going back to the Hebrew translation. | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1504 Registered: 11-2002 |
Chris, do you watch Dr. Gene Scott? I love his program. He is fluent in all the Bibical languages. Then on each program with a huge chalkboard in the front he takes a passage from the Bible and puts it into the origional language and explains the passage as it is ment exactally from the origional. I really like the hymm that his wife sings. She has a wonderful drawl and twang to her songs. Unfortunatelly I cannot get him on cable but if you have a tv sattelite dish you can get him. | ||
| Chris Registered user Username: Chris Post Number: 644 Registered: 7-2003 |
No, I'm not familiar with him Susan. It sounds like something I would find interesting though. Chris | ||
| Pheeki Registered user Username: Pheeki Post Number: 480 Registered: 1-2003 |
Susan, don't you think he is kind of a nut? | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1510 Registered: 11-2002 |
Pheeki, Actually I have never in my life met anyone who I don't think is at least a little nutty. So, he doesn't seem any more or less nutty than anyonme else and I sure do learn a lot from him. Beisdes the Oakrigde Brothers Gosple Hour and Billy Graham and a lot of the stuff I watch on EWTN Gene Scott is the only religious program I will have on. Most of the religious stuff on the tv comes off to me as trash. I watch Comedy Central late at night, at least on there they don't pretend to teach Christianity. I really like Gene Scott a lot. He is my favorite religious instructor on the tv. | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 118 Registered: 7-2004 |
Pheeki, yes, Gene Scott is a kind of a nut, but he is also a brilliant and committed worshiper of Jesus Christ, and his whole focus is to show a doubting world that Jesus was the promised Messiah, and the Pashal lamb of God. I watched him the other night and he was talking about atonement, as displayed in the once a year service in the temple. I may have mentioned that I am currently doing a study of the book of Romans in my ladies group at church, and Dr. Scott's study fit perfectly into what we were studying from the book of Romans, chapter 5. He graphically described the killing of the lamb outside the camp, the collecting of its blood, and how the high priest took that blood into the Holy of Holies. Then he told us that the solid gold plate that separated the cheribim on the cover of the ark of the covenent represented God. The priest would take the blood into the Holy of Holies, sprinkle some of it on the ground in front of the ark, then, while the priest stood upon the blood that has been sprinkled on the ground he would sprinkle the sacrificial blood upon the solid gold plate. Okay, that is the mechanics of the service. Here is the explanation. Jesus is the lamb, slain outside the city. You and I are the high priest. We can come into the presence of God (ark) only with the blood of our Savior. We stand, but only upon the blood of Christ, and God sees you and me through the filter of the Blood of Jesus, and since the life is in the blood, and the price of sin is the loss of life, represented by the spilled blood, God sees you and me as absolved of our guilt, made free of sin by the blood of Jesus Christ. It was one of the most moving experiences I've had for a long time, listening to Gene Scott explain the sanctuary service. All this while listening to a man who is more college professor than preacher, and watching him retrace Greek and Hebrew words written on a whiteboard. I've sat in more than one SDA classroom and heard the sanctuary services explained over and over, but I'd never made the connection about Jesus as our Passover lamb so clearly as I did at 1:30 a.m. last Wednesday morning. Thank God for this kook on late night t.v. Belva | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1512 Registered: 11-2002 |
Belva, Thank-you for saying so well just how I think about Dr. Scott. I learn so much from him. I wish I could afford to purchase his tapes but they are out of my budget. I do order the booklets he offers and I read and study from them. | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 123 Registered: 7-2004 |
He comes on at one a.m. here in the S.F. Bay Area, channel 4 if any of you out there are in the same broadcast area. That means you don't need a dish or cable to watch him. You just have to be a night owl or up late with the baby... When my kids were little he was on Cable 32, 24/7, and since they (my kids) were busy playing and hadn't gotten that interested in tv yet, I just turned him on and left it on all day. I could do my housework and listen because I didn't have to be right there in the room watching--he's a teacher, so you listen. You might say that was the beginning of my education about the love of Jesus that eventually lead me completely away from the SDA church. I remember his Celebration Sabbaths, and he was very clear that for those commandment keepers out there, they had better be keeping the Sabbath, seventh day, Saturday. He does not mince words on that point. However, he also made it clear that the born-again Christian has something better than the law, they have Christ himself, that the law was merely a shadow of Christ and that once Christ had come the shadow could be experienced as being just that. It took a few years for all of the teaching I received from dear old Gene Scott to sink in, but I am thankful that I had that teaching because it opened my eyes, and ever after that reading scripture was a blessing instead of drudgery. By the way, Gene Scott used to play a pretty mean saxaphone. I wonder if he still plays. Give me Jesus! Belva | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 7 Registered: 3-2005 |
There is a great tribute to Dr Gene Scott and his recent death at www.internetmonk.com. Scroll down for a while until you come to the topic. For all you Gene Scott fans this is terrific. It is also a great site to read terrific insights into plain radical christianity. Stan Ermshar | ||
| Bob Registered user Username: Bob Post Number: 98 Registered: 7-2000  |
If any of you want to listen to or watch Dr. Gene Scott's lectures on the Book of Romans, you can find them at this link: http://www.drgenescott.com/thearchives.htm Bob | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 176 Registered: 7-2004 |
Dear Bob & Riverfonz, Thank you both for those wonderful websites. As I have not hidden, I dearly loved Ole Gene. What I liked best is that he never put on a sham show of mock piety. I had had enough of that to last me forever, and as you all know, if we want that all we have to do is walk into any church door. It took me about a nanosecond to realize that this guy understood Gospel like no one I'd ever heard before, so I was willing to sit through all of his pyramidology, and demonology, and what have you, to get to the opportunity to hear him talk about Jesus. His voice, face, demeanor, everything changed when he talked about Jesus. His humility--yes, he could be humble--was always noticable when he was talking about what Jesus has done for sinning man. He was definitely one-of-a-kind. I agree with the guy who wrote the tribute. Gene's church better keep his tapes playing until Jesus comes again or there will be an outright revolt from all of us Gene addicts. Belva p.s. -- I'm TiVoing him and will dump him to DVD. I'll at least have my fix! | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1628 Registered: 11-2002 |
Belva, Will Dr. Scotts materials still be available through his cooperation? Will the tv stations continue to broadcast his shows? I was a total fan of his. I always learned so much. He'd put the text on the chalkboard and then go through it word by word and explain the origional meanings to the origional languages. I always learned. It was wonderful. | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 177 Registered: 7-2004 |
Dear Susan, Wish I could answer you there. All I know is that I've got the TiVo set to record any and all programs that have his name in them. Of course that means I also get some weird stuff with other people named Gene and/or Scott. That's okay, I just erase those. Belva | ||
| Bob Registered user Username: Bob Post Number: 99 Registered: 7-2000 |
I recommend the article at the link posted below. it is an interview with Eugene Peterson about lies and illusions that destroy the church. He talks about how real Christian spirituality is demonstrated. "Spirituality for All the Wrong Reasons" http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/003/26.42.html Bob | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 179 Registered: 7-2004 |
I may have found another Gene to listen to from time to time. I have The Message and find it extremely readable. Now having read Eugene Peterson's interview I can understand why his paraphrase is so practical. Thanks for including the reference. Belva | ||
| Denisegilmore Registered user Username: Denisegilmore Post Number: 149 Registered: 10-2000 |
Dr. Gene Scott was my favorite teacher. Since the 80s I've listened and watched him. There is so much I've learned from that man that no other person or Church could ever ever teach me. I'll miss Dr. Scott and pray that his teachings will still be aired. To not air them would be a sin in my opinion. And in my humble opinion, that man was just what this generation and the following generations need to hear and see. Rest in Peace Dr. Scott. I'll see you soon! Denise | ||
| Denisegilmore Registered user Username: Denisegilmore Post Number: 151 Registered: 10-2000 |
I forgot to leave this link of Dr. Gene Scott's bio with one of the latest pictures of him: http://www.drgenescott.com/docsbio.htm | ||
| Denisegilmore Registered user Username: Denisegilmore Post Number: 152 Registered: 10-2000 |
On the link above you also get his teachings throughout the years in his various forms and ways. I'm not sure there was ever once he didn't teach the Gospel in a 24 hour period. Infact, if you watched him for 24 hours, you would hear the Gospel many times. And have communion as well. On the media or player you'll get an hour of this teaching and it switches to a different year with yet more teachings. Just click on the top where it says "pictures and sound 24 hours a day" and you have a choice of media player (mac included) and real player. I really pray they continue playing his teaching. You won't get such a thorough set of teachings as you will with Dr. Gene Scott. His critics can condemn him all they want but his critics will never, in their lifetimes, be able to teach like this man. That is my honest opinion and so far in 25 years of searching, I've yet to encounter or listen to anyone who can teach so much about God, His Word, the Gospel, History and a variety of interesting others. | ||
| Denisegilmore Registered user Username: Denisegilmore Post Number: 153 Registered: 10-2000 |
'25 to 30 years of actively searching' is meant above. Rather than just '25 years of searching'. we need an edit button huh. Denise | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 397 Registered: 10-2004 |
Denise, I found out recently that we can edit our posts, as long as it's within 10 minutes after you post. If you click on Edit Profile (which is at the top right of every page) and login there, you can check the box under "Preferences" that says "Show list of my most recent posts when editing my profile." Then from the "Edit Profile" page you will then be able to see a list of your latest posts and edit them (for 10 minutes after you post!). Jeremy | ||
| Denisegilmore Registered user Username: Denisegilmore Post Number: 167 Registered: 10-2000 |
Jeremy, I didn't see your post from two days ago. Wow, now what you have pointed out to me regarding the editing is wonderful and here I've been wishing we had an edit button! Silly me! Thank you Jeremy and May God Bless you! denise |
