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| Goldenbear Registered user Username: Goldenbear Post Number: 57 Registered: 12-2004 |
Greetings all Some friends of ours that are processing out as we are, sent us a copy of the Doug Bachelor DVD about prophecy. I believe this is being used as something to use to invite friends to the meetings. From the Amazing Facts web site- Final Events of Bible Prophecy DVD This DVD has everything you need to know about earth's last days! This fast-paced documentary hosted by Pastor Doug Batchelor has all the amazing truth about the signs of the end, Christ's return, the millennium, and more. Full of Bible references and high-resolution special effects to keep viewers informed and interested, it's the perfect answer to the false prophecy teachings so popular today! Reach out with the truth in a whole new way! An awesome resource to share in a study group, with neighbors, or anyone else you know! After seeing this I am concerned. As my wife and I watched it this afternoon, I was struck by how unbiblical it was. It was much of the same things I had heard all my life, but when you stop the video and look up texts and consider the statements being made it just isn't biblical. The story Doug B was telling was just almost word for word out of GC. I am so tired of the "..." this to me is a coded message that the scripture is being taken out of context. We saw it over and over throughout the presentation. There was some comic relief though: Religious revival staged in front of a theater; The lost army attacking the New Jerusalem with a coffee mug in hand; The lost at the end had no jewelry on? | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 1419 Registered: 12-2003  |
Oh, my goodness, Goldenbear--coffee and jewelry??!! Wow, you can't get much more debased than brandishing coffee during Armageddon! Occasionally we see snippets of a Doug Batchelor broadcast on the internet--my tech-savvy husband makes it his job to "monitor" current SDA evangelism, styles of delivery, contents, etc. on one side of his computer screen as he does work on the other. Doug bothers me more and more because of exactly what you described. He talks too fast to figure look up texts and see what they mean, and there's not time to ponder or ask questions. His prsentations are like motivational speeches rather than expository preaching or even good evangelistic preaching. So deceptive in general and upsetting to me. Colleen | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1514 Registered: 11-2002 |
Yeah, my mom gets all the AF propaganda and mailings. I have seen that DVD advertised. I figured it was pure fiction as that is what those AF's booklets and the AF's tv program is. It was a gift to you? Someone spent a lot of money to order that for you. | ||
| Carol_2 Registered user Username: Carol_2 Post Number: 263 Registered: 2-2002  |
My mom is excited because they're going to have a big "Amazing Facts" (I like Susan's "Annoying Fiction" label much better) seminar at her church. Is this something that's being done nationally via satellite? In my mom's area they even have a billboard and signs on the sides of buses advertising it. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 1422 Registered: 12-2003 |
Yes, I know that Doug Batchelor is planning an imminent satellite campaign. Colleen | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1516 Registered: 11-2002 |
Carol, I used to write Annoying Fiction but then someone on here said that wasn't very nice and it wasn't respectful to SDA's weho are lurkers and might drive them away due to my unkindness so I now use the proper term, Amazing Facts. However, in communicating with people verbally I still say Annoying Fiction because frankly, I think it's funny. And, in my entire family we each think we are the lead act of our family stand-up commedy and when I do my commedy routines I do the SDA religion and SDA church service, etc. One day after I'd read on Dirk's site about EGW and her gang rolling on the floor and acting like dogs at a church meeting I did an awsome comedy routine of it. One on my goals it to produce EGW bobble heads and sell them at campmeeting. I'd best stop now. | ||
| Pheeki Registered user Username: Pheeki Post Number: 482 Registered: 1-2003 |
Can't remember if I shared this with you or not...(speaking of Amazing Facts!) A friend's son got baptized into the SDA denomination (Ellen) a few weeks back and I allowed my daughter to go because she was a friend of his. Anyway, yesterday, I bought her a new purse and she was transferring her stuff to it...lying there on the bed was a little book by Amazing Facts. I said, "Where did you get this?" She said, "Shirley slipped it into my purse at church." The book was all about not blaming the "church" for what the "people" in the "church" have done to you. IOW: Come back, it's not the church's fault. Sneaky, IMO. Now I regret letting her go. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 1426 Registered: 12-2003 |
Pheeki, did the pamphlet and the friend's attitude confuse your daughter? I don't know your children; I do know that after they tasted real Christian fellowship and understood they were leaving Advemtism for the sake of Jesus, our boys were never confused again by the Adventists "lines" they heard. God will redeem this in your daughter's life! Colleen | ||
| Pheeki Registered user Username: Pheeki Post Number: 485 Registered: 1-2003 |
The thing is...she didn't even read it (you know teens)...I think it was meant for me. I am going to ask her if Shirley said anything like, "Give this to your mom and dad." And yes, God will redeem her life and is redeeming my entire family! I just wish it wasn't so painful! | ||
| Madelia Registered user Username: Madelia Post Number: 130 Registered: 2-2003 |
Oh, I'm so glad to see this thread! I've been wanting to start a thread with this topic. My husband idolizes Doug Batchelor. He's been doing a Saturday afternoon "Bible study" using videos from the Net99 (I think that is what it was called) series that Batchelor did. Now he just ordered a 3ABN satellite dish and is planning to set it up at a community center to broadcast the Prophecy Code. I noticed he's been reading and printing off excerpts from "The Great Controversy". Is it just a coincidence, or is it being done over Lent and Easter for a reason? | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 1436 Registered: 12-2003 |
Oooh, Madelia--I never thought about that!! It wouldn't surprise me at all. Of course, this is when all Christians who observe the liturgical calendar are particularly thinking about spiritual things and readying themselves for Easter. Good point! Colleen | ||
| Sabra Registered user Username: Sabra Post Number: 299 Registered: 10-2001 |
Looks like they are all starting up a Revelation Seminar, I saw the Doug Batchelor Seminar sign on the local SDA church here, and my mom says they are having a 6 week seminar at her church. Guess we have some praying to do. | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 25 Registered: 3-2005 |
I would like to comment on Doug Batchelor. Incidentally, Hank Hanegraff was asked by a caller what he thought of Amazing Facts, and he said they wer Amazing Lies (like annoying fiction), but seriously Doug presents a problem because he can soumd so smooth, and his radio talk show is picked up by evangelical broadcasters who should know better. My mother played a video tape of one of his Prophecy seminars in NYC Net99, she told me it was going to be about the Titanic. So I was already suspicious. I really could not believe what I was seeing. Not one person in that Batchelor worshipping crowd had one piece of jewelry,not even a wedding ring! It looked like something out of the Titanic era with women wearing very long dresses. When Doug was preaching, they were all automatically nodding their heads in agreement, and saying Yes Sir! I really felt a spirit of oppression just watching this. Then of course, the message was if you went to church on Sunday, then you were on the Titanic. How brilliant is that! But he seems dangerous do to the kind of worshipful following he gets. Stan | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 414 Registered: 10-2004  |
I have refrained from saying this until now, but I am going to say what I really seriously think about Doug Batchelor. I really think he is demon-possessed. He really is smooth-talking, and can sound very convincing to someone not strongly grounded in Biblical truth. And people really do seem to worship him. It's just very awful--his voice sounds so creepy, even. Jeremy | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 1555 Registered: 12-2003 |
The spirit of Adventism permeates Batchelor's talks. They are deceiving and seductive and sound SO logical--yet--well, we know where they lead. His presentations oppress me, too. Colleen | ||
| Esther Registered user Username: Esther Post Number: 163 Registered: 5-2004  |
I completely agree about Doug Batchelor. While Adventist my husband loved the man. Thought he was so easy to listen to. I rather prefered Dwight, so didn't pay so much attention. Now though, if I'm doing housework and there's nothing else on TV (where we live we only get 3 channels clearly, and the best one is 3abn...go figure) I will turn to 3abn if it's a program I can handle. I like listening to Doug and Finley now, because it gives me practice in picking up the SDA errors, from their smooth presentations. I'm always careful to look up each text referenced and in context, it's amazing how little they apply. Anyway, Doug is seriously very dangerous. He does present very smoothly, but 9 out of 10 times he is teaching as truth, heresies against God. It saddens me how many SDA's i know in this area who would follow him anywhere...to any thought process. The worst thing about it is that he "came to them out of nowhere". Since they didn't "recruite" him, he has great "credibility" for SDA's because he discovered the truth for himself. Arggghhh  BTW Dwight is leaving Berrien this summer, to accept a call to Southern I believe. This will be a loss for this area, as in some ways, he has been able to promote a more grace based approach to SDA youth who otherwise are struggling to find God. Sometimes I really think he might not be SDA for much longer. Maybe it's just wishful thinking | ||
| Tisha Registered user Username: Tisha Post Number: 1 Registered: 3-2005 |
QUOTE: "That a lie which is half a truth is ever the blackest of lies; That a lie which is all a lie may be met and fought with outright; But a lie which is part a truth is a harder matter to fight." Alfred Tennyson Tennyson (1809ñ1892) I read this quote last night and immediately thought about how hard it was for me to "put my finger" on just what it was that didn't make sense about the SDA doctrine. It was hard to distinguish what was truth and what was lies! Of course, when I went to the Bible and really studied for myself, letting the Holy Spirit lead, I began to ferret out the truth from the lies. The lies that the SDA Church teach have just enough of the truth in them to suck in someone searching for Jesus without understanding how decietful the SDA Church is. For those like me who have been born and raised with this twisted doctrine, it is so hard to ask questions because when the answers are given there is that kernal of truth that makes one feel disoriented and stupid. I am new to this forum, but have been a lurker for some time! I am in awe of how learned everyone seems, and feel not quite up to par with everyone's Bible knowlege. I do know that the Gospel is SO SIMPLE when it is distilled down to how we gain Salvation! I am basking in the knowlege, and UNDERSTANDING, that I am saved!! Even if I don't "know it all", I can trust in Jesus Word. I'll tell my story later when I have some time. I have so enjoyed reading this forum and feeling so many of the same emotions that each of you have expressed as you transitioned out from the SDA Cult. So, thank-you all for being there for me even when you didn't know it! It has been such a blessing to know that I am not alone in what I have gone through - and will go through some more. Your Sister in God's family, Tisha | ||
| Chris Registered user Username: Chris Post Number: 706 Registered: 7-2003  |
Welcome Tisha! Thank you for posting. I look forward to hearing your story. Chris | ||
| Greg Registered user Username: Greg Post Number: 52 Registered: 2-2005 |
Tisha, welcome. I appreciated the quote and agree with your conclusions. I know God will continue to bless you in your study of his Word. Greg | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 1563 Registered: 12-2003 |
Tisha, we're so glad you're here! Thanks for finally letting us "see" you! We will look forward to hearing your story. Colleen | ||
| Esther Registered user Username: Esther Post Number: 167 Registered: 5-2004 |
Welcome Tisha! So glad you came to join us. I can't wait to hear your story, and you're right, the Gospel IS SIMPLE! And God is GOOD! I praise Him for leading you here. | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 31 Registered: 3-2005 |
I would also like to welcome you Tisha. I am also new to this site, and I feel I already know a great group of people, as I just lurked for over a year. Stan | ||
| Carol_2 Registered user Username: Carol_2 Post Number: 284 Registered: 2-2002 |
Welcome Tisha! So glad you have joined us! You will find a loving and supportive family here. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1168 Registered: 3-2004  |
Welcome Tisha. Thank you for making yourself known to us. As you can see we can agree to disagree at times, but all are very loving about it. Diana |
