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Susan_2
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Username: Susan_2
Post Number: 1666
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Friday, March 11, 2005 - 10:43 am: |     |
Denise, Really it is o.k. I think my mom must be a bit better today as she is home baking cookies for the potluck tomorrow. You have such compassion. We all just throw up our hands and say, "Well, I guess she wants to be miserable because releif if only a pill away." I think about this and the best thing I can come up with it that it's a SDA type of pennance. I remember down in Mexico seeing dome devout elderly Mexican Catholic ladies starting about a quarter mile from the church and going on their knees to the church while praying their roaseries. By the time they got to the church their poor knees were all bloody raw. The pain must have been tremendous. I think the understanding is that Jesus will see that they are willing to suffer much for Him. For some reason I just think it is the same with my mom and other SDA's who refuse to get releif, that they are voluntarilly suffering for a greater cause. Denise,I used to own Amazon Women On The Moon. We watched it so much the tape wore out. I LOVE those really weird cult flicks! When my son was in the hospital with staff he was given oxycontin. That'll sure knock the pain out from what I have heard. |
Jeremy
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Username: Jeremy
Post Number: 431
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Friday, March 11, 2005 - 12:50 pm: | |
Actually, I believe the main reason historic SDAs refuse drugs is because Ellen said not to take drugs! I got 693 results (paragraphs) in EGW's writings which contain a word beginning with drug (drug*).
Here are a few quotes from EGW about the use of drugs:
quote:"People need to be taught that drugs do not cure disease. It is true that they sometimes afford present relief, and the patient appears to recover as the result of their use; this is because nature has sufficient vital force to expel the poison and to correct the conditions that caused the disease. Health is recovered in spite of the drug. But in most cases the drug only changes the form and location of the disease. Often the effect of the poison seems to be overcome for a time, but the results remain in the system, and work great harm at some later period." (Counsels on Health, page 89, paragraph 2.)
"Then shall physicians continue to resort to drugs, which leave a deadly evil in the system, destroying that life which Christ came to restore? Christ's remedies cleanse the system. But Satan has tempted man to introduce into the system that which weakens the human machinery, clogging and destroying the fine, beautiful arrangements of God. The drugs administered to the sick do not restore, but destroy. Drugs never cure. Instead, they place in the system seeds which bear a very bitter harvest. . . ." (Selected Messages, Book 2, page 288, paragraph 3.)
"Drug medication is to be discarded. On this point the conscience of the physician must ever be kept tender and true and clean. The inclination to use poisonous drugs, which kill if they do not cure, needs to be guarded against. Matters have been laid open before me in reference to the use of drugs. Many have been treated with drugs and the result has been death. Our physicians, by practicing drug medication, have lost many cases that need not have died if they had left their drugs out of the sickroom." (Medical Ministry, page 227, paragraph 5.)
Here is another quote from ellenwhite.org's page entitled "Thus Saith Ellen White
Rules and Regulations of Ellen White"
http://www.ellenwhite.org/egw30.htm
quote:"You should avoid the use of drugs and carefully observe the laws of health. If you regard your life you should eat plain food, prepared in the simplest manner, and take more physical exercise. Each member of the family needs the benefits of health reform. But drugging should be forever abandoned; for while it does not cure any malady, it enfeebles the system, making it more susceptible to disease." (Testimonies, vol. 5, p. 311)
Jeremy |
Susan_2
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Username: Susan_2
Post Number: 1668
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Friday, March 11, 2005 - 1:58 pm: | |
Riverfonz, Jeremy, etc., My mom also is the #1 fan of Lorraine Day. Has actually purchased LD's books, tapes, brouchures, etc. LD claims to have the cure for cancer. My mom has never had cancer and most likly never will so I just don't get her obsession with the cancer diet. I asked her and the answer I got was that if LD's diet can cure cancer, the most dreaded of all diseases then it must for sure be the best diet for everything else too. Numerous people has also suggested to my mom to take Prilosec for the heartburn and she won't do it. So, she is willfully choosing to be in misery. |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 1576
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Friday, March 11, 2005 - 2:47 pm: | |
Well, Jeremy--those quotes explain the phenomenon! Thanks for posting them!
Colleen |
Denisegilmore
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Username: Denisegilmore
Post Number: 193
Registered: 10-2000
| | Posted on Saturday, March 12, 2005 - 8:28 pm: | |
"...I pray for you also. As you said before, we might differ on political issues, but we are all agreed in Christ. God bless you Denise. Stan""
Dear Stan,
When reading your words to me, I just burst out crying for I had feared that we had become enemies over another issue on the other thread. Also, I cried all the harder when you said you would pray for me too and then topped it off with "God Bless you Denise."
It was last night that I read this thread and was crying too hard to type back. My heart has been melted. Thank you. I'm such a blessed woman that how will I ever be able to thank my Lord...?
And May God Bless you eternally for giving this sister of yours such a blessing and exactly when it was so needed too. In Christ Jesus Name, this i pray for you. Amen.
A blessed woman in Christ.
denise |
Denisegilmore
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Username: Denisegilmore
Post Number: 194
Registered: 10-2000
| | Posted on Saturday, March 12, 2005 - 8:36 pm: | |
Susan,
Your Mother was baking cookies? Wow, she is a blessed woman to be able to do that! Did she thank the Lord that she could stand? Oh i pray the pain she gets never ever gets bad like it was again. Still, I'm going to want updates you know. She's heavy on my mind and always in my prayers.
Lots of love through Christ our Lord to you both.
denise |
Denisegilmore
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Username: Denisegilmore
Post Number: 195
Registered: 10-2000
| | Posted on Saturday, March 12, 2005 - 8:44 pm: | |
Jeremy,
It's so good to see someone else posting some of egws anti-meds quotes. In the archives I had posted some of those also. For that is where, in my upbringing, we got the "no medicine" rule.
Thank you for taking time to put all these quotes up.
Blessings to you and yours in Christ our King Jesus.
denise
P.S. Does sister White have any quotes regarding a movie called "Amazon Women on the Moon?" I need to know before I indulge! <snicker> |
Denisegilmore
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Username: Denisegilmore
Post Number: 196
Registered: 10-2000
| | Posted on Saturday, March 12, 2005 - 8:53 pm: | |
Oh and brother "J",
It is very important to know the answer to my above post post-haste. As there is a 'certain sister "S" who is sorely tempting me to see this film and sister "S" is a dear friend of mine who assures me I'll enjoy this film'. Still sister "W's" word in this matter is essential. Of course i'm sure you already knew this. 
Sincerely
sister "D" |
Susan_2
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Username: Susan_2
Post Number: 1675
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, March 12, 2005 - 9:03 pm: | |
Denise, I think movies weren't invented yet when EGW was alive. She wasn't much of a futuristic prophit in that I can't recall her ever prophysing movies. However, as a kid I was told by the SDA's that to go to movies as well as bars, bowling alleys, most everything and anything that was fun with the exception of the roller skating rink which I never could figure out how come roller skating was o.k. but everything else was wrong. That stuff never made any rhyme or reason to me. Still doesn't. It was o.k. to watch the movie on Sat. night at the SDA school gym but not to go to a theatre to watch it. Same movie. Same popcorn. Different location. Really weird. I personally know SDA's who collect movies (VHS and DVD) as a hobby yet they will not go into a theatre. I just can't figure any logic out of it. My mom will watch the Crystal Cathedral and Billy Grahan on Sundays but she will not go to a "Sunday church". The SDa religion is a religion of inconsistancies and if I start telling my children these things they say, "Hold it, Mom, You're making my head spin." Yeah, that's what thinking about all the rules and subrules within Adventism will do to a person-get their head spinning. Then there's my grandchild who is in first grade at a local SDA school and the kids have their snnual father/child bowling ternamant. They also have their annual mother/daughter tea. When I was a kid going to SDA school neither of those two things were allowed. It's just soooo weird. I prefer rthe basic Christian insight about these sorts of things which is to be modest, honorable and enjoy clean-cut fun and use wisdom to make approiate choices and leave it at that. I was taught in the SDA church it is wrong to dance. However, I have SDA kin who are ministers at a SDA church whose children take dancing lessons. It's just too loony. |
Bob
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Username: Bob
Post Number: 121
Registered: 7-2000
| | Posted on Saturday, March 12, 2005 - 9:50 pm: | |
Susan, did you know that Ellen White also condemned taking or possessing photographs? She said it was idolatry. However, that didn't keep her and her family from posing for many photos!
http://www.ellenwhite.org/egw51.htm
She was such a consistent "prophet" wasn't she? It seems her motto must have been, "Do as I say, not as I do." |
Jeremy
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Username: Jeremy
Post Number: 435
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 3:20 pm: | |
And not only that, but she got upset with people for saying that photos were idolatry, and then started preaching that herself! Take a look at this:
quote:"It is a difficult matter for men and women to draw the line in the matter of picture-making. Some have made a raid against pictures, daguerreo-types, and pictures of every kind. Everything must be burned up, they say, urging that the making of all pictures is prohibited by the second commandment; that they are an idol." (Selected Messages, Book 3, page 330, paragraph 1.)
"This making and exchanging photographs is a species of idolatry." (Messages to Young People, page 316, paragraph 3.)
Denise,
Susan is right about movies not being around yet, but Ellen did condemn plays, dramas--all theatre.
In fact, the old SDA thing about how your guardian angel stays outside the theatre if you go in actually originates from EGW.
Jeremy |
Flyinglady
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Username: Flyinglady
Post Number: 1190
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 4:38 pm: | |
Jeremy,
That is interesting because I sware that I felt the Holy Spirit when I went to see "The Passion of the Christ". People throughout the audience were sofly crying. It really touched many of them, including me. Maybe the angels stay outside, but the Holy Spirit enters with us.
Bite your tongue Diana, you are being sarcastic again.
Diana |
Bob
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Username: Bob
Post Number: 125
Registered: 7-2000
| | Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 6:20 pm: | |
My son is a graphic designer/multimedia specialist. I jokingly called his attention to the fact that, if one wants to be consistent in living by Ellen White's teachings, his entire occupational choice is sinful!
Fortunately, my son also has left Adventism, so he could care less what Ellen has to say!
On the other hand, Ellen's doctrine about photography would pretty well destroy much of the SDA publishing and PR industries. Actually, that would be a good thing!
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Riverfonz
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Username: Riverfonz
Post Number: 44
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 1:53 pm: | |
Denise, I just got your message. I found a Public Library with a computer here at the river. I was touched by your message also, and I continue to pray for you, and all others with prayer requests on the prayer site. Stan |
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