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| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1526 Registered: 11-2002 |
I just finished reading the entries on the Bucky page. I have now made three entries. Two on page 15 and one on page 38. It seems to me that it will never end. The SDA's quote EGW and the non-SDA's quote The Bible. That, in a nutshell sums it up. | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 363 Registered: 10-2004  |
Susan, I've thought that all of your posts have been excellent! They've been nice and clear, and speaking the truth. And thought-provoking to the SDAs, I hope.  Jeremy | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1527 Registered: 11-2002 |
Jeremy, This is true what I am about to say now. I have kin and friends who attend Sabbath observing denominations other than SDA. I have family and friends who attend the Church of God (7th-day) as well as the Seventh Day Baptist. Growing up I was exposed to many of the various Sabbath observing churches. My family drew the line in that they would attend most any church if it was a Sabbath-keeping church. In fact, once when I was little my dad had heard about a seventh-day penticostal church up in the mountains. So, we even attended there once. Only once. It was just too spirited for my parents (did you catch my wording? "too spirited"). We also had a personal invitation from Garner Ted Armstrong when I was a child to come to the WCG, which we frequently did. As for me, well I always liked it best wen I got to attend the Seventh Day Baptist and the one time I got to go with my Lutheran cousins to their church. But, with the SDA kin and acquaintances just like on the Bucky forum it seems that it always gets back to being a member of the SDA organization. The SDA's I know quite well will pound away about Sabbath-this and Sabbath-that, yet when they are in the presence of a Sabbath-keeper of another denomination then it gets to belonging to the right organization. And, that to my way of thinking is the cult aspect of the SDA church. Their doctrines never did make sense to me so when I read the book, "Cultic Doctrines of the SDA Church" well, it didn't get through. I have never understood most of the SDA teachings as in harmony with the Bible. I was fortunate as a child in that my non-SDA kin would quote scripture to my SDA kin and I liked easedropping in on the grown-ups conversations. Then when I went to Monterey Bay Academy we had to take the indoctrination class (AKA: Bible). Our teacher would teach us something and I would raise my hand and then read the opposite to him and the class from the Bible. Finily the teacher told me since I liked reading my Bible so much and I refused to even open the textbook (it was EGW books and my non-SDA kin told me to read the Bible only and they already knew her totally loony statements about any # of topics so I grew up knowing that stuff) anyway, the teacher put my desk in the hall and during class for the rest of the year I got to sit in the hall by myself and read my Bible. He still took roll so I actually had to follow through with this agreement with him, which I did. I still believe I got the best Bible instruction that year of any student at MBA. That was the year before Dale Ratzlaff coming there. I only went there one year. But, it always goes back to belonging to the SDA denomination. And, that annoys me tremendousely. | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 364 Registered: 10-2004 |
Susan, I remember when I was about 11 years old wondering why they taught you had to be a member of the SDA church in order to be saved. I wondered why even if a person believed all the doctrines why they had to actually be an SDA member! I did not like that. I guess that was the beginning of my questioning SDAism. Jeremy | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 125 Registered: 7-2004 |
I'm back from catching up on the posts over on the Bucky site. I want to congratulate those fighting the good fight. The most recent post was made by a lurking SDA who has been reading only for several days and just pinned his/her SDA cohorts to the wall for not responding directly from scripture to good questions being asked by Jeremy and Greg. You go guys. We should all be very proud of Jeremy and Greg because they have been attacked enough that they should be bloody by now, but they always return with a clear "thus sayeth the Lord." Susan, you have been keeping things on the up-and-up, too. The only gut punches I've observed have been coming from cornered SDA's. | ||
| Carol_2 Registered user Username: Carol_2 Post Number: 266 Registered: 2-2002  |
Yes, Belvalew is right! You guys are fighting a good fight! May God bless you, and through His Spirit guide what you write. I just finished reading many, many pages on that site, and I tell you, I am exhausted! Don't know how you guys do it, but Praise God you do! | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 126 Registered: 7-2004 |
One more thing, did anyone else notice that our SDA friends have been quoting EGW and telling us that we are going to regret not paying attention to her when the end times come, and telling us that it is a life-and-death issue whether or not we believe her writings. Then, when we prove that we are saved by grace and living under the Law of Christ (a much higher standard) they want to throw doubt on the Pauline letters. Hey, fellas, Paul is in the cannonized scriptures, Ellen is not. I know which "prophet" I want to pay attention to. God bless you all. I just wanted to shout hallelujia when the poster called the SDA's to order about not responding from scripture. Now I'm going back to see if they will respond to a fellow SDA with clear Biblical statements. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1059 Registered: 3-2004  |
You are so right on about those gut punches. I have never posted on an SDA web site, but I felt compelled to go there and get in my 2 cents worth every so often. When the SDA get cornered they return with personal attacks and even EGW quotes about those leaving the church or misquoting the Bible and not reading/quoting it in context. I posted on there early on about the Holy Spirit being God's seal and was ignored. They never answered my and other's question about where in the Bible it says the Sabbath is God's seal. They ignore/misquote and put the EGW spin on the Bible. That is so sad. That is why we pray for them every Friday at sundown and Satuday at 1 PM PCT and 4 PM ECT. We will continue to pray for them. God is awesome and knows His sheep and His sheep know His voice and will follow Him. Diana | ||
| Jan Registered user Username: Jan Post Number: 8 Registered: 1-2005 |
My husband told me there have been thousands of "hits" on that site--lots of lurkers. It's all going to come out for God's good. Flyinglady, hang in there. I enjoy your thoughts. You and many others (Greg, Ane, etc.) are having an opportunity to articulate your faith and your journey. I know the pastor who runs this website--and I'm so wondering what's going on in his mind!! | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1061 Registered: 3-2004 |
I posted Jesus Resume on here and after doing that I decided that I should uphold God and post it on the Grandpa vs Grandson website. So I posted it. I know there are lurkers there as well as here and I pray they will find Jesus through all of this. We truly have an awesome God. Diana | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1530 Registered: 11-2002 |
My totally favorite quote by EGW is the one that she says the proof that she is right and is of God is where she says the proof is that in the last days many will reject her. So, if she is rejected by the masses then this proves she was right. Yeah, she was right that she'd be rejected. I guess even she realized that the dirty wash would eventually get revealed. Jeremy, you are good at coming up with these obscure EGW quotes. Can you find the one I am referring to and post it? That one is a real gem. Oh, silly me. I shouldn't use the word "gem" in reference to EGW. She said not to use adornments. So why do the SS teachers in Cradel Roll have the children paste starts and stickers of pretty gems on their Burger King Crowns? | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1063 Registered: 3-2004 |
I had thought I would never post on an SDA web site, but I did. I felt compelled by God to do so and asked God's help each time I went on it. I have been attacked, but know what, I do not feel attacked. God has been attacked. I do not mind taking the arrows for Him because He died for me, which is so much more important. The attacks I do not take personally. God is Good and has already done so much for me. He is awesome. Diana | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 127 Registered: 7-2004 |
Dear precious Diana, I have witnessed the amount of love you poured into your posts, and for the two main SDA characters to come back slinging mud and accusations against you as they did was altogether uncalled for. I'm sure that they were called to task by their own co-Adventists. I think they were an embarrassment to some, as well they should have been. I guess they showed the true spirit behind them, whether they knew it or not. I still say that we should redouble our prayers for these two. They are truly cornered, and yes, Diana, God has written through you. He has written through Greg, Jeremy, Ane, and through me, and if we are willing to continue the battle for souls he will continue to use us. Let's be sure to keep our armour on because we know that Jesus loves those folks over there as much as he loves us, and we are His hands at this very moment. I don't know when I have felt so honored to be battling it out for Jesus, and so frustrated with willing blindness. Dear Lord and Savior of us all, you know the events of the past several days, and you know how many lives this battle has touched. Keep your words in our mouths, guide our hearts. Let us know when to keep silent, and when to shout out the glory of your wonderful sacrifice. May we ever keep the central theme of Jesus Christ, crucified, buried, and risen now forevermore. We thank you Lord, for the wonderful tool of the internet. Send out the word to questioning souls. We have been praying for this opportunity, every Friday evening and every Saturday afternoon we have asked that those within the clutches of Adventism that need to know more about your love may come to a clearer understanding of that love. This, I pray, is an answer to our concerted prayers, and so, Lord, we are all placing ourselves in your hands to carry your banner in whatever capacity we are called to serve. Fill us with your peace, and may we overflow with love, because we are doing battle with more than the people who are posting in opposition to the very word of God, we are doing battle with that dark spirit that would keep delusions in place. In particular, I pray for Wicklund and Colporteur. These two are sure they are fighting for you. They need an aha moment when they realize that they are facing the wrong direction. Allow them to experience that they are fighting against Your love. This fight we now lay at your feet, and we are here as your servants to be called upon. Help us each to know when our moment has come, and give us the words you would have us use. In the precious name of Jesus I ask these things. Amen Give me Jesus! Belva | ||
| Pw Registered user Username: Pw Post Number: 312 Registered: 6-2004 |
What is the website address where this is going on? I'll be more than happy to post as well. | ||
| Esther Registered user Username: Esther Post Number: 138 Registered: 5-2004  |
http://www.revivalsermons.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=522 I just finished catching up. I am proud that you guys have been able to keep this up so long without letting it get to you. You attitudes have been refreshing. When I studied out I "shadowed" around the internet for a long time. It was by far one of the most influential things for me to see the real Christlikeness in those who were involved in discussions against SDA doctrine. It came as a real eye-opener for me. Keep up the good work! | ||
| Greg Registered user Username: Greg Post Number: 5 Registered: 2-2005 |
Belva, Thank you for your beautiful prayer. I too am praying that God will use that thread for good. I keep thinking about Paul on the road to Damascus. His story shows that God can use even the strongest opponent for His purposes. Greg | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 128 Registered: 7-2004 |
Having just returned from the Bucky site I know that God has had his hand in that long thread. The last poster was someone who identified themselves as "Seeking Christ" and here is what they had to say: ---------- I have a simple question to ask of each person in this discussion. Why are you in the discussion? Is it so important that you are right that you must prove i t? Do I post to hold up my Savior Jesus Christ and give glory to HIM and for no other reason? There is so much more I want to say but I think God just wants me to shut up now. Please before you post any message take time to prayer over it and ask God if this is the time and this is the forum He wants you in now. I'm going back to lurk mode. ---------- Heaven only knows how many others have been doing just exactly what "Seeking Christ" has been doing. They found that an honest exchange of information was taking place between SDA's and Christians regarding a very long-contested subject. This sort of discussion has been a long time coming is way overdue. Perhaps I'm taking it so personally because I have been involved in it, but I know that we have all expressed on here at one time or another that we wanted a way to reach out to our SDA brothers and sisters in a meaninful way. I truly believe that God has delivered on that request. People are really studying over there and there are decisions being made we won't find out about until we enter Eternity. Keep praying. Belva | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 365 Registered: 10-2004 |
Here is a quote that I found simply amazing. This is in response to Greg posting about Ellen's dream where she got advice from her dead husband:
That sure sounds like Ellen White = "the Lord Jesus"! Amazing. They think that attempting to discredit their "firmness and steadfastness" in Ellen equals attempting to discredit their "firmness and steadfastness in the Lord Jesus"! Susan, Here is one quote, but I know there is another one similar to it:
And here is a quote which is just total BLASPHEMY!
Did you catch that? She just claimed to be God's only means of salvation!!!! Jeremy | ||
| Melissa Registered user Username: Melissa Post Number: 732 Registered: 7-2003  |
...Attacking "where" the information came from rather than dealing with the "facts" of the information itself. That is a diversion tactic B has often used when he has no acceptable explanation for some fact. It's like attacking Walter Rea for how he used to use EGW too much (according to B) rather than deal with the information he has uncovered. ...or Sydney Cleveland, Des Ford, Dale Ratzlaff, on and on the list goes.... I guess that's just raw, sinful human nature in full view. | ||
| Bob Registered user Username: Bob Post Number: 65 Registered: 7-2000  |
Clearly some of you are called to carry on an apologetic ministry by posting on the SDA websites. I thank God for each of you. Through my life experiences, the Lord has shown me that this is not my spirtual gift, however. For the past several months, I have found great joy in counseling and studying with new converts to Jesus. They are so ardent and open to learning His Word and His will. Every encounter with them is an invigorating blessing for me! My prayer for those of you who post on those hostile websites is that the Spirit of God will keep you in a loving, non-defensive, forgiving state of mind toward those who oppose you. |
