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| Dd Registered user Username: Dd Post Number: 347 Registered: 7-2004 |
I do not remember the author of this book but it was quite popular in the small SDA church we left. It had a bright green cover with a black and white jersey cow on the front. The title may simply be "Mad Cow"... It was written, if I remember right, by a physician (maybe even an SDA physician) who claimed that Mad Cow Disease was from feeding animals ground up animal product. The animals then developed this "micro-thing" that began to "eat" the tissue/brain of the animal. The author stated that his studies found that nothing could be found to kill this "thing". So no matter how much the meat was cooked, the temperature would not kill it and would eventually do the same to the human brain/tissue. At some point, I believe, Oprah had this man on her show. This was the source of "proof" that EGW was right that meat would be bad at the end times and also the reason that many members, at that little church, were determined everyone should be vegan. Eggs, milk, cheese...were not safe from this "thing" either. Does anyone know what I am talking about and can you add more to my ramblings...? In my feeble attempt to remember what this book is about, I have to laugh...it seems I am telling about some science fiction book I read!  | ||
| Helovesme2 Registered user Username: Helovesme2 Post Number: 122 Registered: 8-2004 |
I believe that would be "Mad Cowboy", by a former Cattle rancher who is not SDA, but is very active now in the vegetarian community, and has good things to say about EGW's health message. Or maybe there are two books, one by an SDA physician and one by the aforementioned cattle rancher. I tend to agree that feeding meat (especially when that meat is from sick animals they could not dispose of any other way) to animals who are not usually carniverous is probably not healthy for them or for those who in turn eat their meat, but the disease that is called "mad cow" when it is in cows, is called "scrappy" in sheep, and (I don't remember the name of the disease) when it is in deer. I do not believe the deer or sheep contract it by eating meat. It will be interesting to see what more is found out about this disease. It certainly isn't a fun one! helovesme2 | ||
| Melissa Registered user Username: Melissa Post Number: 743 Registered: 7-2003  |
YES.... it should not surprise you that B has that book! I can't remember the details about the name either, but on the back it talks about how he was supported by Oprah. I think he is the one that eventually got her sued by the cattle association because she remarked that she would never eat beef again or something like that and beef sales fell. According to that book, as B tells it, all the US cattle supply is tainted, not just the British cattle. Because we kill our cows when they're around 2-3 years old, the disease hasn't had time to show symptoms yet, but the disease exists 100% in the US food supply ...per this guy. When I was researching his claims, I found the only test is on brain tissue...not blood, not any other body fluid, just brain tissue...that makes the only verification available on dead animals. So, this guy has to have tested a significant sample of the food supply to realistically make this claim. Further, the USDA tested 25,000 that year and not a single case came by positive for BSE. I thought the guy used to be a cattle farmer?? It seems that is what B told me, and I didn't think he had SDA ties ... except they like his message. It's been too long, though, for me to say definitively. | ||
| Melissa Registered user Username: Melissa Post Number: 744 Registered: 7-2003 |
Okay, I looked it up on Amazon.com, and it is Mad Cowboy by Howard Lyman. He is a former cattle rancher,,, Here's their spin: ------------------ "Howard Lyman's testimony on The Oprah Winfrey Show revealed the deadly impact of the livestock industry on our well-being. It not only led to Oprah's declaration that she'd never eat a burger again, it sent shock waves through a concerned and vulnerable public. A fourth-generation Montana rancher, Lyman investigated the use of chemicals in agriculture after developing a spinal tumor that nearly paralyzed him. Now a vegetarian, he blasts through the propaganda of beef and dairy interests -- and the government agencies that protect them -- to expose an animal-based diet as the primary cause of cancer, heart disease, and obesity in this country. He warns that the livestock industry is repeating the mistakes that led to Mad Cow disease in England while simultaneously causing serious damage to the environment. Persuasive, straightforward, and full of the down-home good humor and optimism of a son of the soil, Mad Cowboy is both an inspirational story of personal transformation and a convincing call to action for a plant-based diet -- for the good of the planet and the health of us all." -------------------------- end of spin. My mother has a friend who died from BSE here in Kansas City. His wife had to burn all his clothes and their mattress after he died. They had no idea how he came down with it since he hadn't been out of the country. Obviously, it didn't make the media or there would have been quite a bit of hype from it. After reading it, B eats fake everything...fake cheese, fake milk, fake eggs, fake everything. | ||
| Pheeki Registered user Username: Pheeki Post Number: 489 Registered: 1-2003 |
My relatives worry about mad cow. They eat everything fake too. I too used to worry but you know what...God has an ordained amount of days for me and I am not going to die one day before or after that time. If Mad Cow is His choice of poison (cause you know it's gonna be something!) then so be it. To die is to gain when you are in Christ! | ||
| Pw Registered user Username: Pw Post Number: 319 Registered: 6-2004 |
When you say people eat fake cheese, eggs and such. Is that items like rice milk, soy cheese and Egg Beaters? I actually like the rice milk but I heard from a nutritionist (not an SDA one) that Egg Beaters are actually worse for you than real eggs. Plus I've compared soy cheese to regular cheese and it is cholesterol free but higher in sodium. | ||
| Melinda Registered user Username: Melinda Post Number: 5 Registered: 2-2005 |
When I was growing up at a self-supporting school, we made our own milk from soybeans grown from the school fields. We made our own fake butter from flour and water and fake cheese from flour, water, and pimentos. We even made fake whipping cream and mayo. Every year, for Thanksgiving, the school would invite all our neighbors over for a Thanksgiving feast. One time the fake mayo was accidently put on the pie instead of the fake cream. The neighbors must have thought we were nuts! (And rightly so, LOL.) Melinda | ||
| Melissa Registered user Username: Melissa Post Number: 745 Registered: 7-2003 |
That's what I mean....soy based everything...though he does use that rice milk stuff. He buys vegetarian gravies, vegetarian boullion, fake meat substitutes, if it says vegetarian, he buys it....except eggs, meat or dairy. My step-mom used to work in a hospital, and she has told me stories of people being admitted for eliminating too much cholesterol from their diets and creating other problems. She had one doc who refused to eat anything organic saying the fertilizers they used on those items caused more health problems than the supposed "chemicals" did. Sometimes it seems hard to know who to believe, dependent upon their bias. Like Pheeki, I trust God to give me my days and bless whatever he provides for me to eat. And I buy anything I want in the meat market without concern for conscience..... | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 1456 Registered: 12-2003  |
A few years ago there was a news item that organic lettuce had such a high bacteria count compared to non-organic that it was a health risk. The high bacteria count, of course, is because of the natural fertilizers used (that would be manure!) compared to factory-blended chemicals. Food such as lettuce is not cooked and is hard to wash well (you can't peel it, either!), so the bacteria are pretty hard to eliminate. Pick your poison, as a friend of mine used to say... Colleen | ||
| Melinda Registered user Username: Melinda Post Number: 7 Registered: 2-2005 |
I don't worry much about what I eat anymore, either. Although my scale says I probably should! I am embarrassed to admit, but the first time I remember eating Kraft Macaroni and Cheese was on my honeymoon! My husband teases me about that. Oh, what a sheltered, cultic life I lived. But since I was raised vegan, I really can't stand the taste or texture of meat. I buy it for my husband and kids but I usually won't eat it. I don't know how to cook it either so my husband has to cook it. Some of it just grosses me out looking at it. We were in Ukraine recently and we were fed meat often and I thank God that I was able to eat it without feeling guilty. We were even offered wine which I thought about drinking, but I was too afraid how I would act afterwards so I didn't have it! Melinda | ||
| Melissa Registered user Username: Melissa Post Number: 746 Registered: 7-2003 |
They were doing a local news piece where some government agency has "volunteer" cooks prepare meals as they normally would (getting supplies from the local grocery store, etc.) and then ship it to the government monitoring agency (can't remember who now, maybe USDA) where they blend the food up and make slides to test for different bacterias and harmful things such as chemicals. Foods that are organically grown typically had more harmful bacteria (such as e.coli), and when they have tested for pesticide residues, it was rare that any showed up. Now, I know the skeptic says the USDA is hiding results, but it's hard to believe that people who eat this food themselves would be that deceitful. Anyway, the story gave me some comfort that eating "non-organic", like being non-SDA, is not the worst thing in the world. Melinda, on the "gross" scale, there are many vegetables that fall there for me...like brussel sprouts and asparagas. Or sour kraut...have you smelled stuff? That's just to say I think most of us have "something" that we find gross that others call food. | ||
| Seekr777 Registered user Username: Seekr777 Post Number: 54 Registered: 1-2003  |
Melissa - "That's just to say I think most of us have "something" that we find gross that others call food. :-)" I'm afraid I don't find enough food in that category. richard | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1560 Registered: 11-2002 |
Melissa, I love sourkraut. My meal of choice is a Ruben Sandwitch. Oh, how I do love those! Find me a haufbrau and I think I'm in heaven. And, out by our well wild asparagus grew. It was wonderful, too. My oldest son raised corn while in high school to earn his spending money. He sold it 12 ears for a doller. He did quite well. It was the sweetest most wonderful tasting corn I've ever had. I have a question though about soy. Doesn't a lot of soy mess with the estrogen too much? Won't a lot of soy in boys give them girlie breasts? Won't too much soy in women lead to breast cancer? Or have I been reading from the quacks too much? My drink of choice is Long Island Tea. However, I can't take more than two and a half. So, to be safe, especially if I'm the one doing the driving I only have one Long Island Tea. And, I love rum and I love margueritas and I love rum and coke and I like tequelia but I don't do beer. It's icky, I don't like the taste but a good ale is fine now and again. | ||
| Pheeki Registered user Username: Pheeki Post Number: 490 Registered: 1-2003 |
My favorite foods are Sweet Potatoes with butter, Oysters Rockafeller, Lentils and Rice, a good Vegeburger is hard to find but if you find one...wow!...german red cabbage with spatzale...avacados on anything...and almost anything Thai or Indian and Lasagna (you cook the sauce from scratch for 2.5 hours!). My favorite drink is a Mojito (when my mint is blooming), pinot grigio wine, good champagne (which I can't afford often), and this drink at Pappadeaux's called a Key Lime Martini. Can you tell I like to talk about food...cooking is my hobby. | ||
| Pheeki Registered user Username: Pheeki Post Number: 491 Registered: 1-2003 |
I have to say...it was when I was SDA and doing the Weigh Down Workshop that I was exposed to verses about eating...I had never heard these verses before because we were always told what not to eat and the Believer's freedom was never discussed concerning food. Isn't it wonderful not to hear..."Do not taste, Do not touch!"? And not have to deal with the guilt if you do drink a cup of coffee or eat bacon! | ||
| Pw Registered user Username: Pw Post Number: 321 Registered: 6-2004 |
I tried the soy-based cheese for pizza and it just doesn't compare to the real thing. | ||
| Melissa Registered user Username: Melissa Post Number: 747 Registered: 7-2003 |
My mother's family is from arkansas...and they eat okra...fried, slimed, anyway it comes. I've never been able to eat it just because of how it looks. I also love sweet potatoes with butter. And fresh corn (on or off the cob) is the only way to go. But ham is one of my favorites...with sweet potatoes and mashed potatoes...I love thanksgiving and christmas and easter if only for the food. Susan, you can eat all the kraut and asparagas that anyone would ever offer me. I'll gladly share. | ||
| Praisegod Registered user Username: Praisegod Post Number: 251 Registered: 3-2004  |
Recently I decided to test myself to see if I'm vegetarian by choice or if there was some of that guilt remaining. We were at a fancy wedding reception where we were given two entres per person. The filet mignon was so rare it looked like it was ready to walk off the plate. But the salmon smelled great and I found it very tasty. But like Melinda, I'm not into cooking meat and really am just as happy with my vegetarian ways. Praise God... | ||
| Pw Registered user Username: Pw Post Number: 325 Registered: 6-2004 |
I remained vegetarian even after I quit the SDA, mainly because I'm a lousy cook and I really find meat to be quite gross. I do have fish once in awhile though. | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1563 Registered: 11-2002 |
Please, someone answer my question. Will too much soy give boys girlie breasts? And, will too much soy cause breast cancer? I love getting sandwiches at Subway. At Hot Dog On A Stick you can order vegecorndogs. They use the Morningstar Farms vegedogs but they make them fresh with their batter. Oh, they are so good. My favorite vegeburgers are the Boca Burgers. |
