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| Thomas1 Registered user Username: Thomas1 Post Number: 167 Registered: 4-2002  |
One quick question, If vegaterian eggs are from vegaterian fed chickens, does that mean that Corn fed beef is vegaterian beef? Just a thought | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 1458 Registered: 12-2003  |
Susan, I don't think there's any evidence (that I know of) for such extreme reactions to soy. Many Asian people, such as the Japanese and the Thai, eat quite a lot of soy (bean curd), and breast cancer is much less prevalent in those cultures--and I've never seen Asian men with bosoms! Soy in large quantities can induce some feminine characteristics, but you have to eat a lot. Soy has also been shown, in some studies, to have a preventive effect against osteoporosis. As for estrogen levels, body fat produces estrogen also, in both men and women. The more body fat--the more estrogen. Of course, I don't know what kinds of levels we're looking at, but the fact is fat produces (or at least is implicated in the production of) estrogen. (I don't really remember the mechanism.) I don't think, here in America, that we need to worry about men eating too much soy. Probably obesity is a more sinister problem. My three guys eat soy milk on their cereal because their allergies are markedly better when they don't use regular milk on a regular basis. We also eat tofu several times a month. So far, no female characteristics!! Colleen | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1565 Registered: 11-2002 |
Colleen, I'm happy to hear your guys aren't girlie men. I had been getting concerned because my 20 year old son who has used rice milk all his life has recently switched to soy. I've been watching him real close for girlie characteristics emerging. So far he's still all guy. Nonetheless, I read a lof nutritional advice from what others would refer to as quacks and I sometimes think I get a little carried away with it. My friend told me people become canabels because they are suffering from a mineral defininicy and can only get the mimerals they need from eating human flesh, people that had their minerals in the right amounts. This guy will eat only organically grown fruit. | ||
| Sabra Registered user Username: Sabra Post Number: 303 Registered: 10-2001 |
Pheeki, Did you hear that Weigh down workshop lady went nuts? She was right up there in Brentwood where I worked and she developed a cult, the SBA threw her out, someone from the group compound or whatever died (abuse or starvation or something) and she was in a lot of trouble. Strange. | ||
| Bob Registered user Username: Bob Post Number: 75 Registered: 7-2000  |
From the length of this particular discussion, one might conclude that we former SDAs have not moved much beyond our old food issues! (Just teasing you! I also still have some carryover of my old SDA mindset about foods.) | ||
| Pheeki Registered user Username: Pheeki Post Number: 493 Registered: 1-2003 |
Sabra, is there something on the net about this? She is pretty much the guru of her organization and what she says is taken as the Gospel...sortof like Ellen. I know in the past, she was disfellowshipped from her religion for stating she didn't believe in the Trinity. SDA like her legalistic food ways! It seemed to fit in well with their theology...she is all about strict obedience in food consumption...where she parted ways with the SDA, was she promotes you can eat anything with a clear consicence. | ||
| Pheeki Registered user Username: Pheeki Post Number: 494 Registered: 1-2003 |
Found it. http://www.religionnewsblog.com/6064-.html | ||
| Melissa Registered user Username: Melissa Post Number: 749 Registered: 7-2003  |
I believe Hank Hannegraff's website has some information on her as well. http://www.equip.org/free/DS570.htm Don't know if information is reliable.... | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 322 Registered: 4-2000  |
It is my understanding that many people in the Orient suffer from thyroid (goiter) problems or did in the past. Remember the SDA China doctor (the late Dr. Harry Miller) that specialized in goiter surgeries? I am not a medical expert in any field, but I heard and/or read somewhere that the goiter problems in the Orient were attributed to heavy soybean consumption. If this is indeed a medical fact, then the late Dr. Harry Miller was doing the Chinese a great disservice in introducing soymilk to them as well. Hopefully, one of you can add some light to this topic. In SDA medical news, I learned today that the United States Justice Department successfully prosecuted three Adventist hospitals in Florida for defrauding Medicare. They agreed to pay the U. S. Government $20.3 million dollars in settlement last October, 2004. Obviously, they were guilty of fraud because nobody pays the Government $20.3 million dollars just to be nice :-). Two Florida Hospital employees will receive almost two million dollars for reporting the ongoing fraud to the Justice Department. Dennis J. Fischer | ||
| Bob Registered user Username: Bob Post Number: 79 Registered: 7-2000 |
Dennis, do you have a weblink to that news about the SDA hospitals being guilty of Medicare fraud? I believe you, but I would like to share the news with someone, and I want something to back it up. Thanks. Bob | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 323 Registered: 4-2000 |
Bob, Here is the direct link to the story: http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2004/October/04_civ_723.htm Dennis Fischer | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1579 Registered: 11-2002 |
Does that money come from the tithe? If not, then where arte they going to come up with that amount of money? Seems like the right thing would be for the individual people who were doing the fraud should have to pay it but I just don't see that happening. I'll eargerally be looking for the article about this in the next Review. | ||
| Sabra Registered user Username: Sabra Post Number: 306 Registered: 10-2001 |
Pheeki, I can't remember her name, do you know it? | ||
| Melissa Registered user Username: Melissa Post Number: 754 Registered: 7-2003 |
I would guess they might have insurance that would cover such things...but it may just come from the hospital pockets. Fortunately, or un, depending upon your perspective, an employee is usually considered as acting on behalf of the organization and there are lots of laws about agency etc. that rule employee behavior. I work for "a major greeting card company", and we have people submitting art occasionally, and there are very strict guidelines on what to do in those situations. If some day something was produced similar to something that was submitted without proper paths, the company gets sued for stealing an idea, and there are boatloads of legalities. I imagine the hospital is pretty much the same in regards to the legal implications of their employees' actions. I know most hosptials struggle financially, so I'm sure it will not be an easy expense to cover, but the judgement is the hospitals received money falsely. In that case, the money wasn't theirs to begin with. As far as being "tithe" money, I guess it just depends upon how intertwined the SDA has it's individual organizations set up....church vs. hospitals vs publishing houses, etc....and their corresponding bookkeeping. I would suspect they would have them set up under different titles, which means tithe money wouldn't directly flow into the hospitals, but that's just my guess. | ||
| Melissa Registered user Username: Melissa Post Number: 755 Registered: 7-2003 |
Gwen Shamblin, if you're talking about the Weigh Down thing... | ||
| Helovesme2 Registered user Username: Helovesme2 Post Number: 124 Registered: 8-2004 |
I've understood goiter to be caused by lack of iodine in the diet. Inland populations who do not have access to seafood and/or sea salt have a higher incidence of it. I've not heard of any connection to soybeans. If there is one, I'd be interested to know about it! | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 324 Registered: 4-2000 |
To find online information about soybeans causing thyroid problems, simply enter "soybeans and goiters" or "soybeans and thyroid problems" with a search engine like Google. Many websites reveal that infant soy formula is not safe being it affects thyroid function as well. It appears that soybeans can seriously affect thyroid health. Therefore, I conclude that soybeans directly caused the rampant goiter problem in the Orient due to their high soybean consumption. I presume the goiter problem does not affect them as much today due to a more diversified diet. One webpage is titled, "The Dark Side of Soy." It is my understanding that the Australian Government has recalled all infant soy formulas from their retail grocers. Interestingly, Loma Linda Foods stopped manufacturing infant soy formula several years ago. Apparently, infant soy formula litigation could empty the deep pockets of the GC in a hurry. Furthermore, visit the websites of the American Pediatric Association and the American Medical Association to discover their guidelines against infant soy formulas. Dennis J. Fischer | ||
| Carol_2 Registered user Username: Carol_2 Post Number: 270 Registered: 2-2002  |
Pheeki - would you e-mail me when you have a minute? presley0108@yahoo.com Thanks! | ||
| Helovesme2 Registered user Username: Helovesme2 Post Number: 126 Registered: 8-2004 |
Thanks for that Dennis! I have heard and seen first hand some of the problems with soy formula. I tend to be of the opinion that the best things for babies is their own mother's milk whenever possible! | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 1477 Registered: 12-2003 |
Thanks, Dennis--I had forgotten the infant soy danger. I remember hearing about it when the boys were quite young and being thankful that I'd never felt compelled to feed them soy. When they got older, their pediatrician said soy would be OK because of their allergies. Going along with the soy problem for infants is the fact that infants and young toddlers actually need a diet fairly high in fat in order for their brains to continue to mature. Both of those facts wryly amused me--the amusement stemmed from the unique family dynamics we had with some REALLY conservative Adventist extended family members... Sigh. Praise God that He has His hands over our children and takes responsibility for protecting and nurturing them even better than we know how! Colleen |
