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| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1137 Registered: 3-2004  |
Skip, As long as we maintain our relationship with Jesus, ask for the Holy Spirit, pray and study our Bible I trust that God will take care of us through what ever comes in the future. As an SDA I was scared stiff of what we were taught. No where else was the future revealed to us. We were taught that only God knew the future and then we were taught all that "stuff". It took away from Jesus. He tells us not to worry about tomorrow, that today has enough problems. I do not even speculate about what will come in the future. So I keep my eyes and heart on Jesus and I trust him to keep me through to when He returns. Jesus is what I need today and He is all I need. He is awesome. Diana | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1630 Registered: 11-2002 |
I thought the term Spirit of Prophect referred to Jesus because the promised Messiah is prophisied numerous in the OT and He fullfilled those prophicies. | ||
| Lindylou Registered user Username: Lindylou Post Number: 25 Registered: 1-2005 |
Yesterday I received a complimentary copy of the Signs magazine in the mailbox. It is interesting that three of the articles address issues that have been discussed recently on the forum. One is by Alden Thompson, a professor at WWC - titled "The God of Extra Help" The heading under the title says, "God didn't replace the Old Testament - He and His apostles used all of it." He goes on to talk about how God has given us "extra help" in the form of the spirit of prophecy. I would be curious to know if any of you saw this article? I am not quite sure what Alden Thompson was trying to say - my impression was that he is trying to justify the SDA belief in EGW. But it is done in a rather subtle way. The Doug Batchelor article, "Is Obedience Legalism?" - begins with: "God is anxious for us to keep His laws - but in the right way... and the article ends with "Is God convicting you just now about some aspect of His law that He wants you to keep? I urge you to heed that impression...." I was just curious to know if any of you received this in the mail and what you thought of it. (I can imagine what you think!  | ||
| Skip Registered user Username: Skip Post Number: 8 Registered: 3-2005 |
Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2005 - 8:52 am: нн "Skip, have you read any of the books from the Left Behind series? If you have, then the imagery you are using with the UFO's would be a warning sign to the faithful, even for those who've read that series." Give me Jesus. Belva" Belva: Yes we've read a couple of the books, especially the first one called: "LEFT BEHIND." And as pastor Arnold Murray says on TV, it's not Biblical, which is why they call it "a novel." What worries me is taking something that was made up by a woman in Scotland (Ms. McDonnald) in 1830, and turning it into a "doctrine" for our day, and isn't that another fulfillment of the bible in many ways? We now have 60 million Christian readers who believe they won't need to go through the end time trouble because they'll be "raptured out" before the trouble starts. That they'll all just vanish, when the bible says no such thing. But Jesus says they'll be right here facing it like everybody else and that's why He's going to "shorten it" for "the elect's sake," which means they will be in it when it all goes down, Right? Jesus also said that His Second Coming would be a very public event, with trumpets and all, so the entire world will SEE Him when He returns and there will be no doubt when He comes back. Peter says that the very elements will melt, and everything will be destroyed by the resulting fire caused by the "brightness of His coming." That means there will be nobody here to find "empty cars that have crashed because Jesus took them." Left Behind says that airplanes will crash because Christian pilots will have been taken by the Lord. But why would God do a thing like that when it is not anywhere in the bible? But "the other second coming" that will be staged by satan if I read my bible right, will be kinda "Private" in that they'll say that He's in the "secret place." And Jesus said that if and when they say that, to not believe them, for that same reason, that his coming would be very public as opposed to private. Now it looks like they are setting people up to believe in a false second coming just like the Lord said it would be done. And when you add the UFO trump card that I believe Satan may use at the end, you've got people being set up to believe in the devil's lies before it happens. It's just so amazing that we are surrounded by deception on all sides, and why does the evil side want people to believe that about the end times in the first place? As pastor Murry says on his TV show quoting the bible, "I'm against those who teach my children to fly" and he says that's talking about making people "fly" at the end. To fly up into the big UFOs that are hovering around the country? He says they are described as "Highly polished bronze" and yet I haven't heard him saying that UFOs are going to be part of the final great deception. But if they are, then "LEFT BEHIND" was the perfect book to come out when it has to mislead as many people as they can. Skip skipbaker@cox.net | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1632 Registered: 11-2002 |
Libdylou, For a good year or so I have been thinking that the SDA's must be monatering this site as well as the other sites that expose the truth of Adventism because it is alnoast too coincentital how frequently the articles in the SDA publications as well as books they come out with that can be purchased through the ABC follow on the footsteps of what is on this site and the other internet sites and the books that come out like the books by Pastor Ratzlaff and the Greg Taylor book. Do I dare say the next sentence that came into my mind or is it to tacky? Oh I'll say it, "Oooooo, Ooooooo, big brother is watching us. And, it's not the Jesuits." Just a tad bit of sarcasm. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1142 Registered: 3-2004 |
Susan, I love your sense of humor. Ooooooooo,Oooooooo I know that answer! I do not follow what the SDAs write, so thank you for being one of the people that do. God is awesome in all he does. Diana | ||
| Bob Registered user Username: Bob Post Number: 100 Registered: 7-2000  |
Skip, are you the be Skip Baker whom I knew years ago at Mount Vernon Academy? I graduated from there in 1961. My name is Bob Holland. | ||
| Bob Registered user Username: Bob Post Number: 101 Registered: 7-2000 |
pardon the grammar goof. I posted before I finished editing! | ||
| Dd Registered user Username: Dd Post Number: 356 Registered: 7-2004 |
Lindylou, I saw the "Signs" magazine you were talking about above at Andy's Market today. I get such a "dark" sensation when I see that magazine. Through it away, girlfriend, and let's continue our joyous study of Galatians!! I have enjoyed all the thoughts different ones of you have given regarding the Revelation question of Schasc (great question by the way, SC). Last night my jr. high daughter went to a vespers/party for her classmates from her SDA school. One of the student's mother gave a devotional thought. I know her intention was to get the kids excited about Heaven but in the process it was a dark and dreary message. I asked my daughter this morning what she thought of the talk and she said, "It seemed to me that she was telling me that Heaven will be a wonderful place to live and so I better be good so I can get there." I was so thrilled...SHE'S GOT IT!!! She is seeing the difference between the "You better be ready" message vs. the "I am a precious, acceptable child of God". It is such a sad, lonely, depressing thought to think of Heaven as a place that is out of my reach no matter how hard I try. I am so ready and have been ready the minute I realized my worth through Jesus Christ! Colleen, I really loved your thoughts on the testimony of Jesus vs. SDA thoughts of SOP. What a difference between the two. GIVE ME JESUS! | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 398 Registered: 10-2004  |
I love the verse which tells me that heaven is not a goal for me--but that I'm already there! It's guaranteed for those of us who have been born again. "But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus." (Ephesians 2:4-7 NASB.) Jeremy | ||
| Seekstruth Registered user Username: Seekstruth Post Number: 1 Registered: 3-2005 |
My daughter is in the 7th Grade at an SDA School and they are studying Daniel & Revelation. I was shocked when I read some of the things they are learning such as, if you worship on Sunday you are honoring The Beast and The Papacy! I just wrote that verbatim of what was in her book. She asked me about our friends and neighbors who go to church on Sunday, about whether they would be saved or not. She said this all makes her very confused. Needless to say, I am looking for another school for her! They are indoctrinating our children at an early age! | ||
| Chris Registered user Username: Chris Post Number: 690 Registered: 7-2003  |
Seekstruth, are you new to the forum. If so, a warm welcome to you. My wife and I had our daughter in a SDA grade school during the period when we were transitioning out. It was very upsetting to me to be learing all this wonderful information about my place in Christ and the New Covenant and yet knowing my daughter was going to school everyday and being taught things that subtley and not so subtely twisted the Gospel. I was so relieved when we took her out of the SDA school the next year. My wife would not have been ready to make the transition any earlier so it all worked out in God's time. Chris | ||
| Seekstruth Registered user Username: Seekstruth Post Number: 2 Registered: 3-2005 |
Yes, I'm new, thanks for the welcome. I am also transitioning out at this very time. I have resigned all my duties at the church and I have not been back in about three weeks now. Now I see my daughter suffering because I am proclaiming all these new found truths, then she goes to school and learns something exactly the opposite of what I've been telling her. I tell her just memorize this for your test, but know in your heart that this is what the real truth is. I'm sure I will be relieved to have her in another school as you felt. I will let her finish this year out where she is. I asked her if she was o.k. to go to another school and leave her friends and said she just didn't want to be confused anymore! Thanks for your response, it's nice knowing there are other people out there who have experienced this! | ||
| Lindylou Registered user Username: Lindylou Post Number: 27 Registered: 1-2005 |
Hmmmm?? Dd and I were just discussing this very topic yesterday- what to do with our kids as far as education. It has been such a dilemna for me. I am a public school teacher and felt great about having my girls go to school with me through 5th grade - but after that - the school's in our district get a bit rough. My oldest tried the middle school but was very depressed. (The kids told her that she was too nice - and should start cussing more!) She has since gone to SDA and is a 10th grader at a nearby academy. I like the environment - but she too has been confused over certain aspects of theology. My youngest will be a freshman next year - I've agonized over where to send them. The best public high school is over the stateline and I'd have to pay the same for the kids to go to a school with over 1000 kids as going to the SDA academy with just under 300kids. It is a matter of environment vrs. theology. What do you all think? If I keep talking the Bible at home - will that be enough to help them through the confusion??? Or - despite the girls resistance - would public school be the better place in the long run?? (Oh, how I long for a good generic Christian high school!) Dd - I did throw the "Signs" away. I just thought the articles curious. When I share with my SDA friends about why I have divorced myself altogether from the SDA church - they give me the line that the current generation of SDA's is changing. They say things like: "They are more in tune to having a relationship with Christ - and not mentioning EGW so much." But this magazine illustrates my point that things have not really changed at all. And in fact - there has been quite an increase in "the powers that be" making a special point of emphasizing those very things that all of us here have turned away from - It just goes to show that things haven't really changed at all. So.. - in the garbage it goes. Dd: thanks again for a great Bible study yesterday! | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 330 Registered: 4-2000  |
My wife Sylvia and I have the heartache of knowing that two of our grandchildren are daily indoctrinated at a SDA elementary school in Washington State. Truly, it is not a safe place for them to be. Deceptive dogma is taught early and unashamedly. As Christ-followers, we should leave no stone unturned to remove our children from a cultic school system. We pray for them continually. It is not easy to inform/admit to your adult children that you taught them wrong about religion. Fortunately, two of our three children left Adventism before we did. One daughter and her family attends church where we do. We long for the day when all our children and grandchildren will be Adventist-free. Dennis Fischer | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1151 Registered: 3-2004 |
Seektruth, Welcome to FAF. My son, who is 33 now, started out in SDA schools, as that is what I was brought up to do and to believe the SDA school was superior. In the 4 grade his teacher and I had a disagreement and she took it out on him. Looking back, that was a God moment, because I took him out of SDA school and put him in a public school. The public schools where I lived at the time were very good schools and I found he had such good teachers there. Lindy, I will put your children and you on my prayer list. I know what I would do, but this is something that you and your husband have to decide with God's help. Maybe if you get a piece of paper and put public school on the right and SDA school on the left and under each write the pros and cons of each school. Pray about it, a lot. God will give you a way out. He always does. He is so awesome. Diana | ||
| Skip Registered user Username: Skip Post Number: 12 Registered: 3-2005 |
Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2005 - 3:36 pm: нн "Skip, are you the be Skip Baker whom I knew years ago at Mount Vernon Academy? I graduated from there in 1961. My name is Bob Holland." Bob: It's great to hear from you again. You were in Dar Parsee's class of 1961, remember Daroush from Iran? His family settled in Canada later on and his wife and son are still there. Dar died of a heart attack shortly after coming to see me when we lived in Colonial Williamsburg, Virginia in the early 90s. I graduated the year after you guys did, but a lot of my friends were in your class of 1961. What a treat to hear from you again! My goodness, that was 44 years ago that you and Dar graduated! I guess we're all getting "old?" How far did you live from Mount Vernon and do you know who all else is on this group here from our time at MVA? There were so many from the class of 1961 who I've wondered about for so long now. Four decades. Please email me privately at the address below and put my name in the subject line! Skip skipbaker@cox.net | ||
| Dd Registered user Username: Dd Post Number: 359 Registered: 7-2004 |
Seekstruth, We are in this shaky boat together in the rough SDA waters. I know exactly the torment and agony you are living with. As Lindylou said, she and I were just discussing this very dilemma yesterday. We sat our 7th and 8th grade girls down with us and asked them specifically what we could do to keep them from this confusion. I was thinking they would say there wasn't really anything except go to a different school but I was surprised when they both basically came up with the idea that it doesn't matter where they go to school because they will always have to make choices of what is right and wrong against the grain of the other students whether they are in public or SDA school. What they came up with was either way the most important thing we could do was be in God's Word! From the mouths of babes... It really is so true. Paul told Timothy (2 Tim 2:15) to "be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth." It's about studying God's Word - being "approved" means checking everything out themselves to see whether or not what someone else tells them is really truth of Scripture. It is up to me to show them how to study and that the gospel of Jesus is the one and only way to salvation. Period! Seeks, I will remember you and your daughter, along with my children (and yours, too, Lindylou), when I lift them up to God asking for saftey in their spiritual walk. "All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work." 2 Timothy 3:16,17 GIVE ME JESUS! | ||
| Skip Registered user Username: Skip Post Number: 13 Registered: 3-2005 |
Bob Holland it's so amazing to hear from you after all these 41 years. I can hardly wait to learn from you who all you know from our old friends who are still around. Most of our family stayed in the SDA church and they don't want to hear any "bad news" about EGW. I've got a 1961 year book from MVA laying around the apartment someplace that I need to drag out and look you up with all the people in your class! Wasn't Carol Burr in your class? And Sam Houston? It's been so long that I'll need to get that book out to remember so many people, at least half of which must still be out there kicking, right? I think if I type in my eMail address you'll have a hot link to it, so please write me and bring me up to date on what's been going on in Ohio. I missed my classes 25 year reunion a good while back. I can't recall if you lived in Mt. Vernon or nearby or not. What part of Ohio do you live in now? We're living in Newport News Virginia. Please write and bring me up to date on everything from good old MVA! Those were the days! What a wonderful time I had there for four years. Write as soon as you can. skipbaker@cox.net Skip | ||
| Bob Registered user Username: Bob Post Number: 107 Registered: 7-2000 |
Skip, I have lived in Riverside, California since 1972. You have a better memory about who was in my class than I do! I don't even know where my academy yearbook is. |
