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Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 1607
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 3:36 pm: |     |
You're mom's brilliant, Lindylou! Great advice.
I feel for you re: those quotes you sent and the teacher's stacks of paper for your 8th grade(!!) girl--and I feel for her.
God is sovereign; he will waste nothing and redeem even these frustrations as we submit them to Him.
Colleen |
Lisa_boyldavis
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Username: Lisa_boyldavis
Post Number: 13
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 12:58 pm: | |
Well, friends, I pointed out to my parents that EGW communicated in a dream to her dead husband and then took his advice.... thinking there is no way a Christian could justify this. They did, sure enough. It says everything to me. I told them that it was clear that for me I now understood that no matter how biblical or unbiblical an issue was in EGW that they would never question it period. How utterly HORRIBLE! I know spiritual things are discerned by spiritual people, but I was so hoping for them to clearing see the obvious issues here, and hoping for their rescue. They are much deeper than I ever realized. Ok, I'll get over it. I guess I am just so disappointed.
Lisa
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Esther
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Username: Esther
Post Number: 175
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 1:09 pm: | |
Lisa,
The family issue is the hardest. I too struggle with it as my parents and inlaws are pastors and were missionaries. However, I keep trusting in Jesus! He is the Sabbath worth keeping! I heard a sermon yesterday on the radio about the friends who brought the lame man to Jesus. The thing I'd never realized was that Jesus commended the friends faith...not the faith of the lame man. "With God, all things are possible"  We must just keep holding our families up to Him. |
Greg
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Username: Greg
Post Number: 88
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 3:06 pm: | |
Lisa, I was afraid of that. I had a similar experience with my MIL. We decided not to say anything to her about EGW, but she opened the door to questions on EGW's health message. Sensing an opening, we told her how EGW didn't practice vegetarianism until late in her life, well after receiving the "health message". My MIL then said she would investigate, and if these things were true, EGW was a false prophet. That was a much better outcome than I could have expected, however, MIL went to the EGW Estate web page where they blamed almost everything on Fannie Mae. That was "proof enough" for my MIL and now the topic is closed for discussion.
People will continue to believe what they want to about EGW. It shatters their reality to take her off the pedestal, so they make excuse after excuse to keep her there.
Sorry about your MIL, but at least you are not alone. Keep praying and be ready when the Holy Spirit provides an opening.
Greg
(Message edited by Greg on March 17, 2005) |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 1618
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 7:51 pm: | |
Lisa and Greg, I am so sorry. God is faithful; He will continue to give you wisdom and words and timing.
I was talking to a close friend of mine this week about my ambivalent feelings about my MIL (which have surfaced during this recent near-death illness she's had), and I was saying that I just felt unable to have the feelings about her I believe I should have because of how hurtful she's been to Richard. She said the most helpful thing to me.
"Be honest with God about your inability to love her," she advised, "and ask God to love her for you, and give Him your resentment to deal with."
It was like a window opened. I realized that as long as I struggled with my feelings, I'd be stuck in guilt and failure. If I ask God to love my MIL for me, then I'm allowing Him to come into this difficult relationship, and I don't have to struggle with my failure. Instead, I can admit my resentment, ask God to heal my heart, and thank Him that He will care for my MIL in ways I simply can't. Maybe He will even love her through me--but I don't have to "fix" my feelings. I just have to trust God with her and with me and with the "us" of our relationship.
Praise God for being bigger than our feelings and failures and for mediating His love in our broken places.
Colleen |
Riverfonz
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Username: Riverfonz
Post Number: 56
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Friday, March 18, 2005 - 10:14 pm: | |
Colleen, We'll continue to pray for you in your situation. While driving home today from the river, I was listening to the Calvary Satellite Network, and they had a commercial for a video or DVD about the incredible journey of the Worldwide Church of God out of Sabbatarianism and cultism to evangelical christianity. I was reminded of this when I saw the posts earlier on this thread about the splinter group. I wonder if anyone has seen this video, because I know Robert Brinsmead was very instrumental in influencing the WWCOG, and based on the commercial, it sounds interesting. Stan |
Susan_2
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Username: Susan_2
Post Number: 1702
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2005 - 7:37 am: | |
Once again reading these entries it seems that we all have the same relatives. It really does not matter what part of the country we are from, our kinfolk are all like clones of one another. Yes, I hear over and over that EGW was way ahead of her time regarding health advice. Proof shows otherwise. But, what I really want to know is very important. Someone who knows the answer please reply. I have some questions about the SDA tv sattelite dish. My mom apparently has some friends from church who have one. They have told her there is the one-time fee for the dish ($200) and then there is never another cost. How many SDA stations does it get? Do these SDA stations put on Christian programming that is by other groups than SDA? My mom is with the opinion that she would still be able to watch Fox News, The Animal Planet, Hallmark, etc. Is this true? Actually, if it gets all the other stations it's a good deal since cable is $45 per month now. Please, tell me about it. I just have a near anxiety attack thinking my mom might actually be exposed to Adventist tv programs all day every day. It's bad enough to have her watch Mark Findley weekly and occassionally Doug Batchler. Please, answer my questions. |
Praisegod
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Username: Praisegod
Post Number: 265
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2005 - 12:19 pm: | |
Susan, this may very well be the 3ABN dish only. When we were out to California at Thanksgiving time my SIL admitted to me that if her dad watched another 3ABN program that she would scream. (He brought the dish to her home when his health meant he had to move in.) It's full of legalistic SDA programming.
My FIL died at Christmas time. While he meant well, his rigid SDA ways have made two of his three children leave the Lord and they are definitely not born again. Then there is my husband who is still SDA and the warfare I've been facing has been intense these last several months.
If it's 3ABN, pray against it coming into your mother's home. Pray for her to listen to grace-based Christian programming.
Praise God... |
Flyinglady
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Username: Flyinglady
Post Number: 1223
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2005 - 1:20 pm: | |
I want to thank each of you who have your stories out of adventism on this site. I read them, one after another. We all experience the same thing in one way or another. Thank God for bringing each of us out and into His arms and awesome truths.
Diana |
Jeremy
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Username: Jeremy
Post Number: 459
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2005 - 2:01 pm: | |
Susan, if it's just a one-time fee, I don't think it would provide the other channels, such as Fox News, Animal Planet, etc.
My guess is that it's only (or at least almost only) SDA programming.
Jeremy |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 1632
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2005 - 11:03 pm: | |
Susan, you can read about the SDA sattelite network at www.hopetv.org. The satellite comes pre-programmed to get five Adventist channels (including one Spanish one) and three Adventist radio channels including 3ABN radio. It is slightly over $200 if it's not installed and you install it yourself; it's $379 if it's installed.
The satellite carrying the Adventist channels now also carried Fox News and People's Channel, and some Christian radio. People's Channel includes some call-in shows and some classic TV shows and classic movies.
I don't see anyplace where a monthly fee is mentioned. You can check it out for yourself at the web site listed above.
Colleen |
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