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| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 1590 Registered: 12-2003  |
I just wanted you all to notice that there are several new stories posted on this website. Just go to the home page and click on them to read them. I'd like to invite you to write your story if you haven't done so yet--our stories of meeting Jesus and finding truth are some of the most powerful tools available for people who are searching. Thanks to all of you who have sent us your stories! Colleen | ||
| Pw Registered user Username: Pw Post Number: 342 Registered: 6-2004 |
I didn't know where else to post this as I never seem to know how to start a new forum (only threads) feel free to relocate it as you see fit. This is regarding the recent shooting in Wisconsin. I never heard of this group but they are definetely an offshoot of the SDA movement: Living Church of God - Who Are We? İİİİİThe Living Church of God is a new organization with an old history. Its leader, Dr. Roderick C. Meredith, was one of the original evangelists ordained by the late Herbert W. Armstrong in December 1952.İ For more than half a century Dr. Meredith has powerfully proclaimed the truth of God to millions through his hundreds of articles and booklets.İ He has conducted personal evangelistic campaigns throughout the United States, Canada, and the British Isles. Additionally, he has broadcast over radio and television to the whole English-speaking world. İİİİİThe Living Church of God is active in North and South America, Europe, Asia, Africa, and Australasia. It has scores of ordained ministers and over two hundred congregations. In addition to broadcasts by Dr. Meredith and fellow evangelist Richard Ames in the English language, the Church sponsors broadcasts in French with Dibar Apartian, in Spanish with Mario Hernandez, and in the South African Afrikaans language with Syd Hull. İİİİİChurch members today view themselves as the spiritual heirs of the original Jerusalem Church of New Testament time. | ||
| Tracey Registered user Username: Tracey Post Number: 254 Registered: 9-2004 |
yipeee! I love reading these stories.. I have been waiting for more. | ||
| Chris Registered user Username: Chris Post Number: 716 Registered: 7-2003  |
They are an offshoot of the World Wide Church of God. One of the many splinter groups that refused to give up Armstongianism when the WWCOG renounced it's cultic past entered into the body of Christ. Chris | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1686 Registered: 11-2002 |
If you read the history of HWA you will see that he first was drawn to the Church of God (Seventh-day). Then he got away from them and started the WCG. To m best understanding there has never been any affiliation between the WCG and the SDA. There are several common beliefs thoug. Both observe the seventh day of the week at the Sabbath. The WCG though observes the OT holidays, he SDA doesn't. The WCG does not allow medical intervention on its sick, even to the point of HWA's lovely first wife being let to die from a hernia. Of course, we know the SDA's are haavely invesed in the medical arena. Bth teach soulsleep in the grave until Christs coming although there is a teeny bit different understanding on this between the two organizatios. The WCG people drink a lot of alcohol and have church sponsered dances. The are very exclusive and do these socials among themselves. Back when I was a child and before the WCG became fully Christan one could only go to the WGC meetings by personal invitation from the minister. The format of the service is totally structured different between the groups. The WCG back in its hayday and now the Living Church of God and other varients of it are very much into watching natural disasters, politics, wars, etc. to stress the time of the end is about here. Pastor Meredith said awhile back that the people need to be stockpilig supplies because the end times should be within 5-15 yars according to what's happening in the world. Both the SDA and these other groups teach the same about the unclean meats. The SDA's go bit frther and stress being vegetarian but they each teach to void the unlean meats. These other groups shun all holidays (Christmas, Easter,etc.) as well as birthdays. You may remember years and years ago picking up the magzine The Paain Truth that was the WCG magaine started by HWA. There are a few similarities between the SDA and these religions, however the differences far exceed the similarities. | ||
| Pw Registered user Username: Pw Post Number: 344 Registered: 6-2004 |
What really stood out on the news story was the fact that the reporter mentioned the congregation being attacked during their "Sabbath" day. Instantly my ears picked up on that and I knew they were associated somehow with the SDA in one way or the other. Boy, it's so bizarre how that word still draws me back into my past. | ||
| Randyg Registered user Username: Randyg Post Number: 18 Registered: 12-2004 |
Thank-you Colleen for the new stories.It is amazing how each story is so different and yet so similar.For those of us who have left SDAism intellectually,emotionally, and spiritually but not formally or publicly these stories stir angst knowing the next steps that need to be taken. The dealing with children,spouse,parents,grandparent, siblings,friends,coworkers all of which are SDA only can attest to how profound this challenge is. May God help me and guide me. Peace to all who seek. Randy | ||
| Lisa_boyldavis Registered user Username: Lisa_boyldavis Post Number: 4 Registered: 3-2005 |
Randyg, If I understanding what you are saying, you have considered leaving the church publicly, after being convinced intellectually, emotionally and spiritually that Adventism is not the path to God. I just want to say one thing. God is so powerful, His Spirit so mighty that you take one step when He gives you the green light, and His Might Power will take it from there. I've never been bold or brave or able to speak my mind EVER, and yet in this situation God gave me boldness and love and forgiveness for those angry about the announcement we made. Don't underestimate the power of collective prayer. When you need it, ask us for it and we (at least our family for sure, and I'm sure many others on this forum) will get on our faces before God asking Him to pave the way for you. How wonderful to be in this spot, ready to fly for God. Canít you see from the numbers leaving that God is up to something. He is providing us with an Exodus in our own lifetime. Incredible!!! Sincerely, Lisa | ||
| Chris Registered user Username: Chris Post Number: 721 Registered: 7-2003 |
Lisa, I have often had the same thought. It truly is incredible what the Holy Spirit is doing right now. I'm so happy to have been included in this move of the Spirit. Chris | ||
| Esther Registered user Username: Esther Post Number: 174 Registered: 5-2004  |
Oh Yes! Lately it's just floored me with all the answers to prayer about people seeking the Lord. And from my vantage point at least, being still highly tied to a certain SDA institution, and SDA Pastors...I think the denomination is reeling as it realizes the very same thing. God is SOOO good! | ||
| Lisa_boyldavis Registered user Username: Lisa_boyldavis Post Number: 5 Registered: 3-2005 |
Ok, I have a question... in one of the "New Stories" there was a reference to EG White talking to her dead husband. Does anyone know where I can find that information? That might be important in showing a certain person the truth of Adventism. Thanks.... I'm sure I won't be posting 5 messages a day after I get use to the fact that there's such a great resource and such good advice and support out there. Thanks, Lisa | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 1600 Registered: 12-2003 |
Hey, Lisa--some of us continue to post 5 messages a day! It's OK! Jeremy can likely produce the quote you need--he is our resident resource for everything you ever need to know about Ellen and the hard-to-find sources of Adventist facts. (There really is such a quote--in fact, Jeremy has posted it here before.) Thanks again, Jeremy! Colleen | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 46 Registered: 3-2005 |
I know you can find it at www.truthorfables.com, the story of Ellen talking to dead James. Yes, it is exciting to read all of the new stories. I think we are going to see the Holy Spirit work in great ways, as more and more info comes to light. Colleen, I have just finished a rough draft of my story that you asked for. Just tell me where to mail it. Stan | ||
| Greg Registered user Username: Greg Post Number: 76 Registered: 2-2005 |
Hey Lisa, there is a thread here describing the incident. Greg | ||
| Lisa_boyldavis Registered user Username: Lisa_boyldavis Post Number: 6 Registered: 3-2005 |
Thank you for the information. Do you think it's wrong to point this blatant disobedience to an Adventist that would be horrified at communicating with a dead person? Do you think it could be information that would be helpful in shaking the glass case that protects EGW and all that goes with it? I'm thinking of breaking my own advice and sending this information to my parents. LBD | ||
| Greg Registered user Username: Greg Post Number: 77 Registered: 2-2005 |
Lisa, I can't speak for everyone else, but in my experience, knowing this information a year ago probably would not have changed my mind about Adventism. As with all information, you need to be in a frame of mind where you can use what you've been given. For instance, if someone told you what you needed to do to lose weight, you may not be compelled by the information if you have no desire to lose weight (or don't need to). If, on the other hand, you had just made a personal decision to lose weight, you would gladly act on the information. This is the old "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink" problem. For me, it was my own study into the Adventist doctrine of the sanctuary and investigative judgment that led me to information about Ellen White. Because I was in a frame of mind where I was trying to make sense of Adventism and its unique doctrine, the information I discovered about EGW was much more compelling. Your parents' situation may be completely different than mine. In any event, this sounds like a situation where you should proceed cautiously and in prayer. Greg | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 444 Registered: 10-2004  |
Lisa, I would say, go for it! But then again, I don't know if that's the best thing to do.  Another thread about it can be found here. The letter where Ellen talks about the dream can be found in Manuscript Releases, Volume Ten, pages 38-40, and also in The Retirement Years, pages 161-163. Jeremy (Message edited by jeremy on March 15, 2005) | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 1601 Registered: 12-2003 |
Stan, you can either mail it Proclamation, PO Box 905, Redlands, CA 92373, or email to Proclamation@gmail.com. You can attach it as a Word document or just copy it into your email message. (An attachment might work better, but I can use it either way!) Thanks!! Colleen | ||
| Randyg Registered user Username: Randyg Post Number: 19 Registered: 12-2004 |
Welcome Lisa and thank-you for your thoughts and prayers.I have appreciated your posts today and look forward to hearing how God continues to lead you. As someone who also prowled the halls of WWC for 4 years I can relate to the sense of loss to my history and heritage.Many of the faculty now were classmates back when. Its the same uneasiness I find in dealing with my dear sda community.I have heard Colleen use the quote that Adventists are either dishonest or deceived. In my circle most are very honest and loving.It is sad that the deception has gone on for so long and is so deeply ingrained. I pray that the Holy Spirit will not only guide my words but prompt the hearts of those I love to be receptive to his calling. Randy | ||
| Lindylou Registered user Username: Lindylou Post Number: 31 Registered: 1-2005 |
"You shouldn't try to teach a pig to sing - You can't do it and it irritates the pig!" That's my mom's response to me - after I shared with her a little incident of trying to point out EGW error to my daughter's teacher. When EGW comes up in my daughter's class - she bravely pipes up and says something about her not being a true prophet - ect. (things she has heard a home.) Her teacher this week told her that he thought EGW wrote down her own thoughts - and had never in ALL his reading ever seen where she claimed that her words were directly from God. He wanted me to show him where she claims such a thing. (This line of reasoning is why he can pick and choose what he believes.) Well, I pulled some good quotes - photocopied them directly from the books - and sent them along with my 8th grader - knowing that her teacher probably wouldn't read it. And sure enough he didn't even glance at it before he handed my daughter a huge stack of papers he had printed off the internet from the white estate trying to explain away 50! contradictions of EGW with the Bible. In the end I know I shouldn't even attempt dialogue with an SDA unless they are REALLY searching for truth. The quote above says it all. I have yet to find it effective sharing my concerns about EGW, ect. with an SDA. In fact, I find it more detrimental than anything for me - because I just get to feeling frustrated! I'll end with more of my mom's advice: Surrender to Jesus Invite Him into your life Talk to God Part Company with legalists Seek companionship of those who love God! Blessings to all! |
