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| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 237 Registered: 10-2004 |
Here is the other horrifying part of the letter, which I said on the thread "Are Christians 'Worse Than Heathen'? EGW says so!" that I would post in a new thread. Look at that thread for the other information. Ellen G. White wrote:
She calls herself "a physician of souls"! How could anyone ever claim to be "a physician of souls" except for GOD?! She heals souls?! She is absolutely claiming to be (at least "a") savior/Christ/Messiah! Someone may say that she means "people" by the term "souls" and does not necessarily mean "souls" as in a person's eternal destiny like she usually meant when using that word. But the context makes it clear. Right before that, she kept using the word souls, referring to eternal destiny. She wrote, "Now for Christ's sake do not again practice this wicked work and destroy your own soul and the souls of others." And:
Then in the very next paragraph she says, "I come to you as a physician of souls"!!! I now have reason from her own claims, to call her Goddess Ellen. Jeremy | ||
| Ric_b Registered user Username: Ric_b Post Number: 163 Registered: 7-2004 |
I'll add what I found particularly awful, beyond blaming the child who was a victim of sexual abuse by a pastor.
There can be no question about what a terrible thing abuse is, but from this section of writing EGW is more concerned with the temptations this might cause for the children than with the physical and psychological harm. | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1331 Registered: 11-2002 |
Isn't this the same letter/publucation where she admonishes the faihful to NOT pray for the first-day adventists because it would be a waste of time and effort because they have already sealed their lost destiny? That is really a bold statement that you quoted Jeremy and the statement I am referring to is a horrible statement, too. Yes, EGW makes herself part of the Godhead. I think she takes out Jesus and the Holy Spirit and inserts herself. | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1332 Registered: 11-2002 |
What do the inititals TSB stand for? | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 238 Registered: 10-2004 |
Susan, what you mentioned is not from that letter or book. Yes, she puts herself in the place of Jesus. Following is one direct example. Hebrews 1:1-2 (KJV) reads: "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;" Now compare that with what EGW writes, deleting "His Son" (JESUS) and putting herself in JESUS' place!
She also tries to replace the Holy Spirit, as you said. Jeremy | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 239 Registered: 10-2004 |
Susan, TSB stands for the book Testimonies on Sexual Behavior, Adultery, and Divorce. Jeremy | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1335 Registered: 11-2002 |
I had never before now heard of the book, Testemonies on Sexual Behavior. Is that one of her first writings? Do the SDA leadership and the White Society keep that one in the vault in Wash., D.C. and supress it from the public? I know they do that with some of EGW's writings. Can copies of it still be obtained? I think it's really weird the lengths the General Conference and the White Society go to keep some of EGW's writings unknown. I mean, think about it? If they really believe she is all that inspired by God then wouldn't they want to shout it from the mountain top? And, not supress the stuff? | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 1221 Registered: 12-2003 |
Ric, your quote above and comments brings me again to my theory that I suspect Ellen herself was an abused child. Back then people didn't deal with these things with counseling, etc., and I can imagine that her comments in that quote reflected some of the ongoing struggles she experienced that, at the time of her writing, felt more like her own sins and less like sins done against her. Can't prove it, but the things she wrote and the duplicitous way she lived really suggest to me that she was likely quite broken inside before she became a "prophet" and tried to redeem her own past. Just thinking aloud... Colleen | ||
| Melissa Registered user Username: Melissa Post Number: 675 Registered: 7-2003 |
Isn't "self abuse" the term she used for masterbation? | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 1229 Registered: 12-2003 |
Yes--insightful observation, Melissa! Colleen | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 246 Registered: 10-2004 |
Susan, I believe that book is one of the more recent compilations, and yes, I believe it is still available for purchase. Jeremy | ||
| Windmotion Registered user Username: Windmotion Post Number: 92 Registered: 6-2001 |
Susan, that's the book I quoted from before that had the "testimony" to the man guilty of child abuse. It is the most awful thing I have ever read, especially now that I have a daughter. Ellen didn't think the man should be prosecuted or that even his own wife should know what he had done. He was removed from his leadership position in the church, however. I read it in a book at someone's house, but you can also access the book at www.whiteestate.org --Hannah P.S. I know Colleen, wrong thread, but are you related then to Dale Ratzlaff? | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 1241 Registered: 12-2003 |
In a way, yes. Dale is Richard's mother's first cousin. I guess that makes him Richard's first cousin once removed, or something like that. I'm just an in-law! (They don't treat me like "just an in-law," though! Dale and his wife are truly wonderful people.) Colleen | ||
| Pw Registered user Username: Pw Post Number: 254 Registered: 6-2004 |
I must of been out of my mind to actually buy into Ellen White's claims. What seemed so right in my time with the SDA is so obviously corrupted now that I'm on the opposite side. I threw away all her books I had when I quit 18 years ago so reading these quotes from her books is really an eye opener. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 927 Registered: 3-2004 |
Pw, I understand what you are saying. Even though I was raised SDA and had almost all her books, I did not read all them through. So to read the quotes now, I wonder how I could have been an SDA and believe she was a prophet. I threw away all her books just this past April/May. God is so much more awesome than EGW wanted us to believe. Jesus is all I need. Diana | ||
| Blacksheep Registered user Username: Blacksheep Post Number: 1 Registered: 3-2005 |
When "we" used to read EGW it was with a different mindset. It was like reading the Bible, you didn't question her authority. You didn't question any adult's authority. (anyway I didn't, even those who abusing me) Adults were right, kids were "in their place" or wrong. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1232 Registered: 3-2004  |
Blacksheep, You must be new to this web site. Welcome to FAF. I understand what you are saying. I was told, "children should be seen and not heard". I did not question my parents authority, even when I knew they were wrong and it carried over to the religious upbringing. I did not question it either until within the last 10-15 years. Please let us know about your adventure out of adventism and if it still in the process or complete. Jesus is all I need and He is so awesome. Diana | ||
| Bob Registered user Username: Bob Post Number: 137 Registered: 7-2000  |
SDA logic about EGW goes like this: Rule #1 - Ellen White is always right. Rule #2 - When Ellen White is clearly wrong, refer to Rule # 1. | ||
| Blacksheep Registered user Username: Blacksheep Post Number: 2 Registered: 3-2005 |
Yes, i am new to this forum, and have been reading it for a while now. I have written new posts on here but they seem to always get lost. i left SDA 15years or so ago. It has been lonely out here. I do have 2 sons that have left, too. I don't believe they have the withdrawal symptoms severely like do. I get terrible feelings now and then that I am lost because I left, and then I know I cannot go back. My earliest memory that something was wrong was in primary class. But Mostly i was strongly convicted in SDA beliefs. I will talk more later. It is a long story how I left SDA. I could not write it in one sitting. I did not leave because I was hurt!! My parents are deep into 3ABN and yet have never asked me why I left. No church member has asked me why I left. But this is good. I think it's strange, though. Any way the reason mainly is I felt it was not the path for me. I still am not sure of the direction of my life. I question at this point in my life even the authenticity of the Bible and even Jesus. So I may not be a good forum member. I'm spiritual in my heart, and I believe in God, and that he's been guiding and keeping me. This forum has been causing alot of wierd emotions to come out, as I suppose the most of you have experianced. Thankyou Flying Lady for your welcome. | ||
| Bob Registered user Username: Bob Post Number: 138 Registered: 7-2000 |
Blacksheep, what you describe - the periodic guilt, the emotional ups and downs, etc., are all part of recovering from involvement in a cult. All of us on this forum have experienced those things, and we want to be supportive to you. Don't worry about the fact that you still have lots of questions and uncertainties about the Bible and about Jesus. God is working in your life, whether you sense His Presence or not! I hope you will stay connected with us regularly on this forum. We will be praying for you to discover more of the truth and clarity that is in Jesus. Bob |
