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| Lisa_boyldavis Registered user Username: Lisa_boyldavis Post Number: 21 Registered: 3-2005 |
Hi FAF - Just wanted to make a comment. It's really great to get on this forum and see that it's not full of hate and bitterness and rage, but filled with the Spirit, wanting to help each other over the hurdles the come along with saying "Yes" to the Lord when He asks us to follow our convictions and leave Adventism. Not to say I've not or others have not felt angry or bitter or hurt, but that doesn't seem to be the driving force behind the discussions, and I love it. I am working on a Beth Moore Bible Study on the sanctuary (Old Testament) and read this morning about all the verses that describe God as having wings that he provides for us to hide in or under for refuge, or security and protection. I somehow always thought only angles had wings...I imagine God doesn't have literal wings, but the visualization of snuggling under his wing while I lay on my bed in the mid afternoon, experiencing his peace in the midst of a wild and crazy life is awesome. Thank you for keeping this site Spirit driven. It's really been a wonderful support for me. And please pray for me, Iím off to Gem State Academy for the alumni weekendÖ Iím not going to dump my new find unless itís clear God wants me to share. Iím sure there will be lots of angry, rebellious SDA kids with 20 years of acting out and the scars to prove it, and then some that are still able to play the game perfectly. I praise God for the truth He sent my way, and for the freedom!!! I donít have to rebel because I love Him so much for paying for everything. Ok, Iím rambling the Easter Story... It's His Spirit that keeps the story fresh and alive for me, and also thanks to your sharing... Sincerely, Lisa | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 508 Registered: 10-2004  |
Lisa, Regarding the passages in the Bible about God's wings--I've heard a wonderful explanation of those recently. Apparently, the word for "wings" was also used to refer to the "wings" of the Jewish garment. The Bible says in Malachi 4:2 that the Messiah would come "with healing in His wings." And in the Gospels we read where the woman who touched Jesus' garment was healed, and also in Mark 6:56 we're told, "Wherever He entered villages, or cities, or countryside, they were laying the sick in the market places, and imploring Him that they might just touch the fringe of His cloak; and as many as touched it were being cured." (NASB.) So Jesus was actually fulfilling Malachi 4:2!  In fact, the fringes of the cloak (called "tzitzit") had to have blue in them, according to the Law--which represented the Messiah from heaven. Well, that's the very brief version of it. Jeremy (Message edited by jeremy on March 31, 2005) | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 117 Registered: 3-2005 |
Lisa, That is what I found surprising. When I first came to the site 18 months ago to lurk, I also expected nothing but anti- SDA anger and rage. Yes, I found some of it, but the overall tenor of the posting is so spirit-filled. We get into some heated theological discussion at times. I also like the prayer thread, as I found that this is a group lifting each other up in prayer. Thanks for sharing, Stan | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 1706 Registered: 12-2003  |
Lisa, is this your 20th reunion at Gem State? I was invited to go this year because I was a sponsor of the class of 1980--but I obviously didn't (am not) going. Wow, that was a lifetime ago...! Have a safe trip--I'm praying that God will glorify Himself through you! Colleen | ||
| Lisa_boyldavis Registered user Username: Lisa_boyldavis Post Number: 24 Registered: 3-2005 |
Colleen and Jeremy, Thanks Jeremy for the new thoughts on God's wings. What a great picture. Colleen, This is kind of confusing, but this is my 20th from Mount Ellis. I'm married to a Gem Stater who this will actually be his 17th year reunion (cradle robber!), so we're going to see family and friends who will show up for the event. Were you a teacher there? Did you know Teddy Davis? He's my husband. Or Ben Davis or Ron Dorchuck? (Ted's best friend) Or Jim Huff or Steve Huff... (his cousins) I could go on, Oh, here's my last did you know... Fermintez (sp?) family? Anyway, I am praying that if God wants me to share this weekend, he will have people ask questions. Lisa | ||
| Goldenbear Registered user Username: Goldenbear Post Number: 83 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hi Lisa, There are several people on the forum that have MEA connections. Contact me and I will fill you in... Ask Miss Colleen for my address. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 1713 Registered: 12-2003 |
Lisa, I was a teacher at Gen State from 1977 to 1982. Your husband's class came after I left. I look back on those years with such mixed feelings. I was recently graduated from college, and I remember being so earnest about representing God and Adventism attractively to my students. I also remember reading Desmond Ford's Glacier View defense along with the book of Daniel in 1980. I decided I had to jettison the IJ, but I distinctly remember making the decision that I could support and embrace Adventism without 1844. (Talk about having a fragmented view of reality!) I also remember at one point in a Sabbath School discussion during those years actually thinking through the idea of soul sleep and realizing that something was wrong with the way I understood it, because what was there for God to resurrect if our bodies were gone and no soul remained? I remember deciding that somehow God retained us in His memory...whatever that meant! I also distinctly remember deciding that I never wanted a child of mine to attend a boarding academy. In spite of my inexperience and naivete, I realized that academy dorm life and teens separated from their parents were bad ideas. But I do hope and pray you have a good trip! Colleen | ||
| Esther Registered user Username: Esther Post Number: 190 Registered: 5-2004  |
Jeremy, I love what you wrote about God's wings. I do have a question however...since this is something that was drilled into me at one time. Where did you find that blue related to the Messiah? I really need to know this. My current frame of reference is this verse: Num 15:38 "Speak to the sons of Israel, and tell them that they shall make for themselves tassels on the corners of their garments throughout their generations, and that they shall put on the tassel of each corner a cord of blue. Num 15:39 "It shall be a tassel for you to look at and remember all the commandments of the LORD, so as to do them and not follow after your own heart and your own eyes, after which you played the harlot, Num 15:40 so that you may remember to do all My commandments and be holy to your God. Any help anyone can give me on this passage would be much appreciated. I was taught that since the woman grasped the robe of Jesus, she was expressing her faith in the law. (the blue fringe). Granted, I don't really believe this anymore, and was delighted to know that the Mal. 4 verse was what Jesus was fulfilling. But any further thoughts on the blue fringe would really help me out! | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 1714 Registered: 12-2003 |
Esther, I really can't answer your question about the color blue and the Messiah. I just have to comment on the teaching you learned that the woman was expressing faith in the law by grasping Jesus' robe. Matthew 21 records her words as, "If I only touch his cloak, I will be healed." From the context, this woman believed in the power of Jesus. It seems an unbelievable stretch to say that she was expressing faith in the law by touching His robe. She believed Jesus' power was so great that even to touch what He had touched would bring healing. This understanding of Jesus' miraculous power was echoed in Paul's ministry. In Ephesus, "God did extraordinary miracles through Paul, so that even handkerchiefs and aprons that had touched him were taken to the sick, and their ilnesses were cured and the evil spirits left them." (Acts 19:11-12) It seems a preposterous stretch for people to say the woman's touching Jesus' garment represented her faith in the law. If the law was what she trusted, she could have touched the tassels on the scribes/Pharisees robes. I'd be interested also, though, to know where the idea originated that the color blue represented the Messiah. Interesting. Colleen | ||
| Lisa_boyldavis Registered user Username: Lisa_boyldavis Post Number: 26 Registered: 3-2005 |
Colleen, Academy for me clarified what Adventism in action looked like, not a pretty picture. Lots of external rules and lots of internal rebellion, both with staff and kids. Not people sold out for Christ. I also determined I would never send my children to a boarding school, that kids and parents need to be sitting around the dinner table every evening discussing life and friends etc.... I'll let you know how it goes. Thank you for your prayers, Lisa | ||
| Dd Registered user Username: Dd Post Number: 386 Registered: 7-2004 |
Colleen, Please give Lisa my email address. You are most gracious...thank you! | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 512 Registered: 10-2004 |
About the blue, I don't know, other than that is what was mentioned in the sermon that I heard, that it represented the Messiah from heaven. The Jews do traditionally consider blue as representing heaven. Also, Jesus was the one who perfectly fulfilled the Law--He was the Living Torah. The woman had faith in JESUS, obviously, as Colleen said, not the Law! I also heard that in that passage in Numbers, it could even be translated "He" from the Hebrew--meaning the Messiah. Jeremy | ||
| Gmatt Registered user Username: Gmatt Post Number: 1 Registered: 3-2005 |
Colleen, I would also like to contact Lisa and Ted. I have not met Lisa but I know Ted and would appreciate the opportunity contact them. Thanks! | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1300 Registered: 3-2004  |
Gmatt, You are new here to FAF. Welcome. Please let us know more about yourself. Diana | ||
| Lisa_boyldavis Registered user Username: Lisa_boyldavis Post Number: 28 Registered: 3-2005 |
Dear Colleen, Not sure how to get the email addresses people offered to share... so could you give me their addresses... Lets see, I think it was flyinglady, Gmatt and dd... Oh, and someone with Baer from Montana...maybe another earlier... I loose track with 3 kids to chase. Or you can give my address to themJ About the alumni weekend, wow, I'm so glad God rescued us. You know the sermon on Sabbath at GSA was incredible. This pastor... can't recall his name, was a Bible teacher back in 65 or so and said that for years he wished he could have that class over again and teach them real grace. He said that back in the 60's he'd be in trouble to teach the actual doctrine of grace, that all the doctrine in the SDA church was completely unrelated to our salvation, that we are only saved by grace... of course he still added a quote from EGW here and there, but I thought to myself, God, help that man to keep preaching the truth to all these angry people like the ones sitting all around me with clenched jaws and fists, and an occasional loud AMEN! from around the audience... he's in a leadership position, so I'm glad he understands grace, it's just amazing what he does with all the mixed messages of the church. Anyway, about personal interactions this weekend, all the friends I met are church attending (SDA'S) and very indifferent about God and irritated if someone mentions God (I did not mention our leaving unless brought up, and when it was, my answers were completely ignored, the topic changed abruptly)... but what was so glaringly obvious was the rebellion... the hardened looks, the multiple tattoos and rings here and there and personal parts hanging out of clothes and multiple ex husbands and kids from him her and them... didn't look any different than the world... that's why I'm now a CHRISTIAN about my FATHERS business. I'm not judging the people I saw, I don't see an anti jewelry doctrine in the scripture, I just didn't see the love, joy, peace, etc... that shows up when the spirit is present.... There were some very active SDA's that did show the love of God, and a maturity I hadn't seen many years before in their ability to love and act kindly toward others..., they seemed to be the exception... But I didn't leave the church because of people's behavior and attitudes, I left because the doctrine is faulty and leads to the problems stated about. Ok, I debriefed... thanks for listening. Lisa | ||
| Dd Registered user Username: Dd Post Number: 391 Registered: 7-2004 |
Lisa, Send your email address to Colleen - formeradventist@yahoo.com. She will send it on to me. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 1726 Registered: 12-2003 |
I'll send you the addresses of those who want to be in touch, Lisa--I think that will be most efficient. I'll do it as soon as I finish reading the forum...! Colleen |
