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Jjustinn
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Posted on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 4:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I know there are some people here who know more about Ellen White then me. This question is for you.

What does Ellen say about Deuteronomy 5:12-15, where the 4th commandment tells the Jews to observe the Sabbath because of their slavery.

The little bit I did find said that it is clear they could not honor the Sabbath in captivity. I couldn't find anything else, so any help would be appreciated.
Jeremy
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Posted on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 5:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Justin,

I just searched on the EGW cd-rom, and she only quotes Deuteronomy 5:15 once in all of her millions of pages, or whatever they claim she wrote. Can you imagine that, only once?! And she does not comment on the verse at all--just quotes the passage. It seems she did not like the Deuteronomy version of the 10 Cs--especially for the 4th commandment.

There was one other result, which has some comments as you mentioned, but it's from the Appendix to Patriarchs and Prophets and is in all caps so it's actually the editors' words, and not Ellen's.

She does say a few things about the Israelites and Sabbath in Egypt, such as this:


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"During the bondage in Egypt, the Israelites were forced by their taskmasters to violate the Sabbath, and to a great extent they lost the knowledge of its sacredness." (The Signs of the Times, 02-01-1910, paragraph 8.)




Jeremy
Jjustinn
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Posted on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 5:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks, that is actually what I found then. I was wondering why it was in all caps...

Thanks...

I'm getting impatient, bad I know, but I want to know what Adventists make of the verse.
Riverfonz
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Posted on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 6:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I just posted a reply to Mr Mortenson about his offensive comments on the Happy Testimonials from SDAs thread, where he gave a testimonial about the love, joy, and peace he has in Adventism. I just asked him where all that love was when he made those comments this morning. In a way, I wish I had not answered so impulsively this AM, as maybe the post would have stayed up longer. Good job everyone! Stan
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Posted on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 7:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think it is good the Mr. Mortenson's comments stay on the web site and yours were taken off Stan. Anyone reading the R/S web site sees very clearly who is being nasty, snide, and down right offensive. We do not want to be like that. Let them do the damage to themselves. Look at the SDA lurkers who came on and told the SDAs how they looked and then told them they should be nice to the FAF posters. God is leading us and we are representing Him when we post there.
So let us continue to love them and pray for them. Who knows who we will meet in heaven from that web site. I know some will be there.
God is awesome.
Diana
Jeremy
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Posted on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 7:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Stan, it looks like your post was deleted. I don't see it on that thread.

Jeremy
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Posted on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 7:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I just discovered the following proverb. It reminded me of our many discussions about the blind stubbornness of some people who are unwilling to see the truth.

"All mankind is divided into three classes: those that are immovable, those that are moveable, and those that move." - Arab proverb.
Riverfonz
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Posted on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 7:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks, Diana. It is difficult not to react impulsively when such an outrageous comment is made, but may God give me more of your kind of spirit, Diana. You have really come across as someone whose love for Jesus really shines in the posts you make, and you have been a blessing to all of us. Stan
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Posted on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 8:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thank You Stan,
I have only been out of adventism just a little over a year, but God started pulling me out more than 30 years ago. That is what I am seeing now. God has been so good to me and those I love and I am so thankful.
Every so often, Satan tries to tell me that I am putting on an act and trying to work my way into heaven. When that happens, I just get out my gratitude list. Did you know that a person cannot hold a positive and a negative thought in their brain at the same time?? Well, when satan tries his malicious tricks, I get out my gratitude list. What that list is, is a list of things for which I am thankful. When I am telling God thank you, I am not thinking out me and my problems but I am emphasing God and what He has done for me. I start my gratitude list with my hair. I say thank you God for my naturally curly hair, then I name every bone in my head, the sinuses, all the structures in the head and I work my way down to my feet. I name every bone, muscle, vein, artery, ligament, one at at time and thank God for it. I use my list frequently. I am human and can get very sarcastic and mean, but when I feel like that out comes my gratitude list and that changes my attitude. So I give all thanks to God and all glory to Him, and thank Him that I can help others and be a blessing to them. It really is God working in me. I cannot take credit for it.
God is so awesome, that He would take someone like me and love me and want me in Heaven with Him. But I am extremely happy I made the decision to follow Jesus. He is all I need.
Diana
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Posted on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 8:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Another thing God has taught me is not to take some one's "bait". He has taught me to recognize "bait" and I do not respond to it to further complicate the issue. I have a sister whose political beliefs are a 180 from mine. She sent me some articles last fall and asked my comments on them. I know my sister and how she would react, so I wrote back that I do not discuss politics with anyone but she could keep on sending me the material as I like to see all sides of an issue. She wrote back that she sends these articles only to people who will comment on them and dicuss them with her. But if you do not agree with her she will blast you. So I did not take the bait. Then she told another sister, with whom I get along with very well, that I would not discuss anything with her. This other sister knows me and what I am like, so she took what the first sister said with a grain of salt.
The point to all of this is, God has shown me how to recognize "bait" and how to respond to it.
He is truly awesome.
Diana
Jeremy
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Posted on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 9:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Colporteur has deliberately reiterated his comparison of FAs to homosexuals...

:-(

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Posted on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 11:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jeremy, Yes, they deleted my post faster than when I could get home from my computer at work. I know we are supposed to love our enemies, but, I also think that sometimes the most loving thing we can do is expose them! I have difficulty with this problem. Mr. Mortenson can go on a thread where they have all these glowing testimonials about all this love, joy, and peace, that he supposedly has. By the way, don't go on that thread unless your stomach is empty! I just asked him, how he could write a post like he did if he had all this love. I also assured him that the world will be able to read what he said on our web site. I told him that I hope he can retire tonight with love, joy, and peace, in light of what he did today. By the way Jeremy, you probably were justified by many of the comments you made on that post that initially I thought were too inflammatory. In 20 years of being post SDA, I am shocked by the cultic spirit of Adventism I see on that site. I still think there are enough people that browse that site, and those who are not so cultic, that we still should show the spirit that Diana talks about with most people, but for some, we need to shake the dust off our feet. Again, Jeremy, I really appreciate you defending Dale Ratzlaff the way you did. Stan
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Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 12:14 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

We have a new protagonist named Bible Truth to contend with. He's quoting Southern Publishing stuff from the 1940's and 1950's.

Another dose of EGW wannabe writings to deal with. Moralizing, guilt-trippin, rub-your-nose-in-the-law types of articles. Will it never end? Jesus is the end of the law for faithers! They just want to hang around in the shadows.

And Walk and Col are evidently all rested up and ready to start insulting again. Sometimes I wonder if it is worth it. There was one poster who was starting to think the stuff we have been posting made sense, then for some reason has run back behind denominational lines. I'll have to go back and research how that all came about, but I'm tired now and need to sleep. Grace and peace be with you all.

Give me Jesus
Belva
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Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 12:50 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes, Belva, when i saw Col as unrepentant as ever, I let loose on him tonight. How can these guys get away with the slander, and a nice guy like Greg gets kicked off. Diana, I agreed with you earlier, and still do with regard to some, but now with this new round of attacks, I think the money changers tables need to be turned over. I love that side of Jesus too! and sometimes we need to truly contend all the more for the Faith, once for all delivered to the saints. Stan
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Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 6:00 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My $.02 worth. A chance to share the Gospel is always worth it. Even the words that are rejected and ridiculed today might take root within the ridiculer at some later point. The ability to respond to repeated insults in a calm and loving manner is just as strong a witness as any texts that you can post.
Jeremy
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Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 9:44 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I saved a copy of Colporteur's second post, and it appears that an unedited version of Colporteur's third post is still on there by way of Bucky's quote.

Here they are unedited, in case anyone wants to see them:


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Often we make parellels that are just that. Not identical but parellels.

Having once been in the full light of truth in terms of the Sabbath and then to reject it even to the point of trying to lead others to do the same while advocating what amounts to a day of pagan sun worship in its place,is in my personal opinion not a lot less grevious than sexual sins. Sin is sin and I do not think it a whole lot different. It seems like many FA are just as zealous to lead our people to follow them, even to the point of being obnoxious with an onslaught of questions with the demanding of answers, as a homosexual is to teach youth to follow their pattern.

My opinion certainly considers that most of FA have been intrenched in the truth. With those who have had little light, it is an entirely different ball game. I don't see how making the parellel that I made is any less grevious than being called a cult which incidently, was not edited. I do ont expect FA to like my posts. But then again they do not have to be here trying to work our people to follow them to eternal ruin. I stand by my post.





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I knew FA would have a hay day with this one as they do with all that we say. The parellel I made was how those who were once supposedly grounded in the truth now seek to push their weight around on a forum trying to gain acceptance for their beliefs and actions. The homosexual people for the most part do the same. They endlessly thrust forward their beliefs irrespective of circumstances. Now we have a forum where those who oppose every major belief of SDAs want to make the rules.
If any or some of my posts were to be edited it would not trouble me.

When people knowingly break any of the commandments in full light it is serious. FA are striking at the heart of the character of God when they attack the 4th commandment. This is the commandment that acknowleges our God from all man made gods. It points to the One who created all things and the One who recreates the heart through redemption. To attempt to sweep this commandment away when full light has been once accepted and now rejected, and to lead others to do the same is a vicious attack on God and His people. To periodically use soft language only makes the attack more subtle but no less obvious.
FA continaully compare themselves with those who have never heard the truths of which they once aspired to and defended. There is no comparison.

Incidently, is calling our church a cult less offensive than being compared with the way homosexuals push people.

Let's remember who came to which forum and continually thrust when they admit that often our posts reveal that their theology is not welcome or accepted. The "in your face" mentality came looking for us and continues with both pious words and angry words.




Stan, if you're referring to my post to Richard O'Ffill that I linked to on here, I just could not take all the things he was saying and his arrogant, judgmental, condescending attitude. In that post, the former SDA pastor I was talking about was Mark Martin, but for some reason Walk thought I was talking about Dale Ratzlaff and so I did have an interesting discussion with Walk about Ratzlaff and the SDA Leon Cornforth. :-)

Jeremy
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Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 9:54 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I guess I have jumped into the fray too. That is a hard site to navigate. I just couldn't stand by without trying to tell them they can have assurance of salvation. I also thought Bucky made a good point in one of his posts about without us they would be sitting around discussing "Should SDA's laugh?" Maybe this is good for them...they do have to stand in the time of trouble without the HS and Christ. Scary.
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Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 11:20 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Pheeki, you are a brave soul, and I've really enjoyed your posts, and I agree that Bucky is a hoot.

I want to address the misinformation of Colporteur--I know a couple of young people through my children who are homosexuals. I watched both of those young people go through a living hell as they worked at accepting their individual sexuality. They were not "taught" homosexuality. One of them nearly took his own life when he realized that he just couldn't handle the normal dating scene because he just wasn't attracted to girls. He tried, he took girls out, but it just didn't work for him. I'm not excusing homosexual behavior, but I also cannot explain why some individuals just aren't wired the normal way.

I can't agree with Colporteur on anything. His approach is fanatical, and therefore judgmental and he simply will not open up his narrow safety zone to see that there might be more to life than he is experiencing. Mr. Walk is similar and it is frightening that he will one day be pastoring a congregation.

Should SDA's laugh? Yes! What kind of piffle do people talk about when they are confused--whether or not they are allowed to laugh.

Have a great day, folks!
Belva
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Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 12:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ric, you also have a good point, and I am struggling with how best to deal with it. When do you show the spirit of Jesus with the moneychangers, and when do you answer softly? I just thought Col crossed a line that should never be on any "Christian"(use the word advisedly) web site, and that is what prompted our response. But, I think Col has been exposed successfully for what he really is, and now maybe we can have a better discussion. Jeremy, it was that one link you posted that I was commenting on. It looks like Pastor O did do a lot of editing since I was last online. Stan
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Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 3:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Have you all seen the thread where Richard O'Ffill is saying that Paul's gospel/preaching is no longer relevant today? http://www.revivalsermons.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=559&start=60

He wrote, "One wonders if Paul were alive in the 21st century would he preach the same as he did two thousand years ago."

I responded with, "Of course he would!!!! Are you saying that Paul's gospel is no longer the Gospel?" And then I quoted Galatians 1:6-9.

And he replied:

"Re: Paul's preaching. I disagree. Preaching that is not preparing people for the close of probation and the time of trouble is not relevant to the times in which we live."

Amazing.

Jeremy

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