| Author | Message | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 546 Registered: 10-2004  |
All of that blasphemy about rejecting Ellen = rejecting God comes from Ellen herself:
Jeremy | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1362 Registered: 3-2004  |
Dear SDAs who lurk here, As you can see, we do not hate you or the SDA church. We reject EGW for many reasons. She plagairized, had others write for her and then said she was inspired by God. What she did is not being inspired by God. Then she made quotes like those above saying if we reject her writings we are rejecting God. That is blasphemy. For myself, I cannot trust some one who lies to me. That is what EGW did. She has lied about God to us. The church has known this from when it began and has hid it from us all this time. There is a saying I like and it goes like this: "You are only as sick as your secrets." To many secrets have been kept for to long and many people have suffered because of them. I thank God for the Internet, as all this has been exposed. A relationship with Jesus is the most important thing we can develop. This is done by reading the Bible without using EGW as an interpreter. Try it. Ask God to send you the Holy Spirit to teach you His truths from the Bible. The Holy Spirit will do that. God promises and He delivers on His promises. I was reading this morning from 1 Tim 2:3,4.."This is good and acceptable before God our Savior, WHO WANTS ALL PERSONS TO BE SAVED AND TO COME TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH." In the verses before this Paul is telling Timothy to pray for all people. Trust God. He always delivers on His promises. Diana | ||
| Seekr777 Registered user Username: Seekr777 Post Number: 108 Registered: 1-2003  |
Diana, did EGW say that we rejected God if we rejected her or was that a comment made by someone on the "other board". I know i have a hard time keeping tract of everything that is said. Richard rtruitt@mac.com | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 319 Registered: 7-2004 |
According to the Bible we are left with two choices. 1. Abide in Him and sin not (don't transgress the law) or sin, (transgress the law) and be "of the devil" and do his works, which is sinning and transgressing the law. The gospel does not provide any alternatives. To try to do it our own way, to try find another path to salvation is works, pure and simple; a type of false grace that says "I am outside, or beyond the law". That is a fatal delusion. ---------- Can any of you disect what is being said in the above paragraph? Maybe I'm just not that good at reading through circuitous thinking, but this makes no sense to me from a gospel point of view. I found this quote, where else, at R/S. I think it was Larry Lyons. I've noticed that Pastor O'Ffill has been busily weeding out the posters on his site. He would dearly love to return everything to discussions of what type of music is best for SDAs to listen to, or something like that. Right now he appears to be testing a Catholic as to whether it is safe to allow him to continue to post. And there is another fellow named Joe who may be problematic for the pastor. He refuses to look in the White Estate website for information on Ellen White and her shut door--open door--shut door--open door... He told the pastor that going to the White Estate for information on the validity of Ellen's gift would be like going to Dale Ratzlaff for information on the sanctuary. Actually, I think that Dale makes a pretty good source for information on the sanctuary. With regard to the paragraph that I quoted above, Larry would do well if he were to see the fact that abiding in Jesus will give him Christ's sinless life as a covering. My experience with having the assurance of Jesus' own robe of white has meant that I'm not as worried about what the devil is up to. I simply feel safe in the arms of Jesus. | ||
| Heretic Registered user Username: Heretic Post Number: 47 Registered: 2-2005 |
Belva, The message that Truth Seeker had posted was up for a little while and then deleted, too, as alluded to by Joe. It quoted the White Estate website that said that EGW held the shut door position only until she had a vision clearing up the matter. Then there were 3 or 4 direct quotations from Ellen herself which completely undermined the White Estate assertion and explicitly quoted visions that confirmed the shut door. Couldn't let that hang around for all to see, I guess. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1367 Registered: 3-2004 |
Seekr777, I think EGW made that comment, but I do not have my red books, so I will ask some one else to look that up. Jeremy, will you look up about EGW saying if her works were rejected, we are rejecting God. Thanks so much. Diana | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1368 Registered: 3-2004 |
Seekr777, Go up from here to what Jeremy wrote and there you will read what EGW wrote. I knew I had read it earlier today and just found it. "God gave the light on health reform, and those who rejected it rejected God." (Advent Review and Sabbath Herald, 04-14-1903, paragraph 24.) I copied and pasted part of it here. Diana | ||
| Heretic Registered user Username: Heretic Post Number: 48 Registered: 2-2005 |
Diana, This probably isn't the quote you're looking for, because I think I've seen the one you're referring to, but I thought you might find it interesting nonetheless. ------------------------------------------ "If you lessen the confidence of God's people in the testimonies he has sent them, you are rebelling against God as certainly as were Korah, Dathan and Abirum" ("Testimonies," Vol. V., p. 66). ------------------------------------------ | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1369 Registered: 3-2004 |
Thanks Heretic, It was Seekr777 who wanted to know and I do not have my red books any more. Diana | ||
| Pheeki Registered user Username: Pheeki Post Number: 524 Registered: 1-2003 |
But let's not forget that her health reform is actually ancient...many cultures embrace vegetarianism, etc. and don't know Jesus. | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 321 Registered: 7-2004 |
Are you aware that even though we were banned from posting on R/S our silence still speaks volume. The following is a statement made by a relatively new poster named Joe, and his on-going discussion with Pastor O'Ffill can be found on R/S>Town Hall>Do you have to believe in Ellen White to be Adventist? ---------- I find it incredible that, not only are individuals who use the Bible as the basis of truth banned from this forum, but the very words of Ellen White herself are censored. ---------- In context, Joe posted a quote that he found on the official EllenWhite website, the one sanctioned by the SDA church. Evidently even they can't clean up her statements well enough. Anyway, the post that Joe found put the lie to the assumption Pastor O'Ffill was putting forward that the Shut Door statements made by Ellen were made before she had her first vision. I never saw the quote that Joe posted, but it must have shown that the Shut Door policy was given after her vision. Joe and FreeAtLast both posted quotes to that effect, and Pastor O'Ffilled deleted both posts in their entirety. It looks like Pastor O is being willingly blind now. Do we have a retirement to protect or something? Belva | ||
| Bob Registered user Username: Bob Post Number: 186 Registered: 7-2000  |
Belva, I am sure retirement pension has a lot to do with it! You might call it "theology formulated based on one's personal economics." Haven't you noticed how many RETIRED SDA pastors suddenly find the courage to speak out about the truth? Bob | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 181 Registered: 3-2005 |
Here is a quote from Pastor O'Ffill froma sermon on his website "Are Adventists the only Christians" " The gospel that Billy Graham teaches is a valid gospel. BUT IT IS A GOSPEL TO DIE BY." Then he goes on to say the SDAs have a gospel to live by. What kind of double talk is that? Stan | ||
| Bob Registered user Username: Bob Post Number: 188 Registered: 7-2000 |
If a "gospel" is not good enough to take the believer through death, it is hardly one complete enough for him to live by! Pastor O. should have the courage to say what he obviously intends - that Billy Graham doesn't preach the "real thing." That's the kind of garbage talk that drove me right out of the SDA Church. | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 553 Registered: 10-2004 |
And he's making void the warning in Galatians 1 about "another gospel" if he says that there is more than one gospel that is "valid"! Jeremy | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 182 Registered: 3-2005 |
Wow! I have been passing some idle time today reading some more sermons off the R/S site. Go to the sermon entitled "Is our preaching relevant", that is under forums on pastor's sermons. Much of his sermon is spent saying exactly the same thing he said on the "Holy Spirit" thread that Jeremy pointed out, and that is that he is clearly saying that if Paul was alive today, he would be preaching a different gospel message!! He says in the first century Paul was preaching Christ and Him crucified, but today he would be adding to that message. I don't know how to link this--Jeremy, you can help, but maybe large parts of this sermon should be splashed in bold type across this site, so ther will be no doubt that Mr. O'Ffill is preaching a different gospel!--UNBELIEVABLE!! Stan | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 554 Registered: 10-2004 |
WOW, Stan!! Here is the link: http://www.revivalsermons.org/sermons/relevant_preaching.shtml And here are some excerpts (emphasis supplied):
WOW!! Notice that he says Paul's emphasis and focus was Christ and Him crucified! NO! That's not true! Jesus Christ and Him crucified was everything! Paul said, "For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified." (1 Corinthians 2:2 NASB.) Also, Mr. O'Ffill is outright proclaiming that Paul would have condemned himself to eternal condemnation, if he were preaching today: "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!" (Galatians 1:8 NIV.) Paul said that even if he himself or an angel from heaven preaches another gospel than the one he had preached to let him be eternally condemned!! I can't believe "pastor" (actually Wolf) O'Ffill would so boldly proclaim that he is preaching a different gospel than Paul!! Does he really want to be eternally condemned?! It's so sad. He is not even a wolf in sheep's clothing, he is a wolf in wolve's clothing right there! Jeremy (Message edited by jeremy on April 11, 2005) | ||
| Bob Registered user Username: Bob Post Number: 189 Registered: 7-2000 |
The frightening realization that I have come to is that on some deeper level, many SDAs KNOW that they are following a different gospel that that taught in the New Testament. I have an SDA long-time acquaintance who a few years ago asked me to lead a new Bible study group. (I was pretty sure it was a ploy to get me involved with SDAs again.) I suggested that the group study the book of Galatians. My SDA friend read the book of Galatians that night, and a day or two later, accused me of trying to undermine confidence in Adventist beliefs. Evidently, she understood exactly what Galatians was saying - but she chose to stick with Adventism! | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 183 Registered: 3-2005 |
Thank you Jeremy!! I knew I could depend on you for that. Ther are also other unbelievable statements in that link such as SDAs are Reformed in their faith--Luther and Calvin would be horrified t this guy! Stan | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 184 Registered: 3-2005 |
Bob, what a story! Your SDA friend read the book of Galatians, and then accused you of trying to undermine confidence in SDA beliefs! Well, we can rest our case! Stan |
