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Freeatlast
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Username: Freeatlast
Post Number: 374
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Friday, May 13, 2005 - 8:36 am: |     |
You need Ellen to interpret Scripture, and you need the SDA "theologians" to interpret Ellen.
The contradiction and confusion is good for business, I guess... |
Pheeki
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Username: Pheeki
Post Number: 572
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 11:04 am: | |
I know Ellen White condoned the predictions of Miller...she even said God commanded the date of 1844 be preached. However, an SDA apologist claims she couldn't have (herself) predicted the dates because she didn't have her first vision until after Oct. 1844.
Does anyone know when her first vision was and if she predicted in vision the return of Christ? I know I can't be totally crazy, or perhaps I was taught wrong as a child. I was taught she predicted the dates with Miller. |
Belvalew
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Username: Belvalew
Post Number: 435
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 11:34 am: | |
Ellen was an avid follower of Miller, but didn't have a "vision" until after The Great Disappointment." |
Dt
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Username: Dt
Post Number: 39
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 12:56 pm: | |
Pheeki,
What possible nit-picking difference could it make whether she predicted the dates or put God's stamp of approval on 10/22/1844 by entering the Most Holy Place? She said in her vision of 1851 that those that stopped believing He was coming on that date were left to Satan. Early Writings, page 54-56.
Only an SDA apologist could try to get any mileage out of that. |
Pheeki
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Username: Pheeki
Post Number: 576
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 1:09 pm: | |
I know. He is demanding a retraction from me for saying Ellen predicted Christ's coming. She did say this:
Our calculation of the prophetic time was so simple and plain that even children could understand it. From the date of the decree of the king of Persia, found in Ezra 7, which was given in 457 before Christ, the 2300 years of Daniel 8:14 were supposed to terminate with 1843. Accordingly we looked to the end of this year for the coming of the Lord. We were sadly disappointed when the year entirely passed away, and the Saviour had not come. {CET 49.2}
and this:
"So it was believed that Christ, out great High Priest, would appear to purify the earth by the destruction of sin and sinners, and to bless His waiting people with immortality. The tenth day of the seventh month, the great Day of Atonement, the time of the cleansing of the sanctuary, which in the year 1844 fell upon the twenty-second of October, was regarded as the time of the Lordís coming." óThe Great Controversy, p. 400. "The preaching of a definite time for the judgment, in giving the first message, was ordered of God. The computation of the prophetic periods on which that message was based, placing the close of the 2300 day in the autumn of 1844, stands without impeachment."ó The Great Controversy, p.457.
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Freeatlast
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Username: Freeatlast
Post Number: 377
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 1:18 pm: | |
Keep in mind that Ellen and her family were tossed out of the Methodist church for continuing to endorse Miller's message after several warnings. |
Freeatlast
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Post Number: 378
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 1:21 pm: | |
For what it's worth, Ellen White was herself disfellowshipped from her Methodist church in September of 1843, just weeks prior to Miller's first predicted date. |
Bob
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Post Number: 250
Registered: 7-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 2:51 pm: | |
And as I pointed out in a post some time ago, EGW later distorted the truth about why her family was booted by the Methodists! She said they were kicked out because they believed in the soon return of Christ. Not so. The Methodists also believed in the soon return of Christ, but they knew that time-setting was unbiblical!
Bob
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Jeremy
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Username: Jeremy
Post Number: 670
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 3:52 pm: | |
Actually, EGW did have visions before 1844, but they claim that she had a "vision" in December 1844 and call that her "first" "vision" and that that is when she "became a prophet."
She did have visions predicting the return of Christ, though, and you can find out about a lot of those at ellenwhite.org. Once, she prophesied that Jesus would come back in "a few months."
Jeremy |
Dt
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Username: Dt
Post Number: 40
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 7:22 pm: | |
Pheeki,
He may be technically correct as far as we have any written evidence. If I were having the conversation, I would acknowledge that and then ask HIM if his pressing this point means that she never endorsed the validity of 10/22/1844 or is he just arguing for arguments sake? Why did she call it "The Great Disappointment" if she was not expecting Jesus to return?
Without having heard the conversation, it is very hard to figure out where he is heading with this. Throw it in his lap and gauge the reaction.
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