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Dt
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Post Number: 17
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Monday, April 25, 2005 - 1:21 pm: |     |
After reading "Appeal To Mothers" (I had to get my own copy, nobody believed me), I had to wonder if she ever shook hands with anyone?
Reading those references in the testimonies and others referencing self-abuse, I think she knew she hit a gold mine. It was the end of the Victorian era, she somehow knew that if she blamed the illness on self-abuse, people would just naturally assume she was correct. She probably had a 99% chance of their having indulged at some point in their lives and could really lay on the guilt for their children and spouses being sick and dying. What a sicko. And she claimed she got this straight from God, that's why she couldn't even pray for them.
Sick, sick, sick. And I fell for it (believing in her, not the other....) |
Riverfonz
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Post Number: 215
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Monday, April 25, 2005 - 1:47 pm: | |
More evidence is coming out all the time showing what a health reform fraud EGW really was. She called Tea drinking a sin, and we now know of many health benefits from Tea. Red wine, used in moderation, has been shown to have many benefits including preventing heart attacks. More studies are showing that Vegetarianism is not what it has claimed, and, in fact, I believe it is a big fraud! EGW said that ministers set an EVIL EXAMPLE, by eating meat! Will Jesus and Paul please take notes! In 1Test. Page 486, she adds to the book of Revelation(see Rev.22:18) by saying SHE WAS SHOWN that health reform is just as important a part of the 3rd angel's message as the rest! Romans 14, and so many other texts clearly show how seriously wrong she was! Stan |
Belvalew
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Post Number: 363
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Monday, April 25, 2005 - 3:03 pm: | |
Red wine can also help an expectant mother to settle down false labor (only when used in small amounts near the end of the gestational period). How do I know this--I actually had a glass of wine prescribed for me. I spent the last month of my second pregnancy in a constant state of false labor. Very wearing. My ob-gyn prescribed a glass of red wine with dinner every night, and if I felt I was going into labor I was to drink another glass. If it was false labor it would settle it right down, but once the real thing had begun it would have no effect.
I only had to do it for one week, and so I gagged the wine down because he told me he'd come pour it down my throat if I didn't drink it on my own. I was begging off based on religious beliefs. He told me the bible didn't have a problem with wine, they drink it throughout the bible, from one end to the other. The bible only has a problem with drunkenness as a habit. |
Jeremy
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Post Number: 589
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Monday, April 25, 2005 - 4:55 pm: | |
Richard,
Here are the quotes I referenced. She doesn't directly say that if you eat baking soda you will go to hell but she does make it clear that her health reform message is a salvation issue and baking soda, etc., was clearly part of that message that if you didn't follow you would go to hell.
quote:"The light God has given on health reform is for our salvation and the salvation of the world. . . . The Lord has been sending us line upon line, and if we reject these principles, we are not rejecting the messenger who teaches them, but the One who has given us the principles. [...] Let the poor have the gospel of health preached unto them..." (Testimony Studies on Diet and Foods, page 193, paragraph 11.)
"God gave the light on health reform, and those who rejected it rejected God." (Advent Review and Sabbath Herald, 04-14-1903, paragraph 24.)
"Ignorance is no excuse now for the transgression of law. The light shines clearly, and none need be ignorant; for the great God himself is man's instructor. All are bound by the most sacred obligations to heed the sound philosophy and genuine experience which God is now giving them in reference to health reform. He designs that the subject shall be agitated, and the public mind deeply stirred to investigate it; for it is impossible for men and women, while under the power of sinful, health-destroying, brain-enervating habits, to appreciate sacred truth." (Christian Temperance and Bible Hygiene, page 9, paragraph 2.)
"Those who have received instruction regarding the evils of the use of flesh foods, tea and coffee, and rich and unhealthful food preparations, and who are determined to make a covenant with God by sacrifice, will not continue to indulge their appetite for food that they know to be unhealthful. God demands that the appetites be cleansed, and that self-denial be practiced in regard to those things which are not good. This is a work that will have to be done before His people can stand before Him a perfected people." (Testimonies for the Church, Volume Nine, page 153, paragraph 4.)
"Hot biscuit raised with soda or baking powder should never appear upon our tables. Such compounds are unfit to enter the stomach. Hot raised bread of any kind is difficult of digestion. Graham gems, which are both wholesome and palatable, may be made from the unbolted flour, mixed with pure cold water and milk. But it is difficult to teach our people simplicity. When we recommend graham gems, our friends say, 'Oh, yes, we know how to make them.' We are much disappointed when they appear raised with baking powder or with sour milk and soda. These give no evidence of reform." (Counsels on Diet and Foods, page 319, paragraph 5.)
"The use of soda or baking powder in breadmaking is harmful and unnecessary. Soda causes inflammation of the stomach and often poisons the entire system. Many housewives think that they cannot make good bread without soda, but this is an error." (Counsels on Diet and Foods, page 316, paragraph 2.)
"...There is religion in good cooking, and I question the religion of that class who are too ignorant and too careless to learn to cook.
We see sallow complexions and groaning dyspeptics wherever we go. When we sit at the tables, and eat the food cooked in the same manner as it has been for months, and perhaps years, I wonder that these persons are alive. Bread and biscuit are yellow with saleratus. This resort to saleratus was to save a little care; in consequence of forgetfulness, the bread is often allowed to become sour before baking, and to remedy the evil a large portion of saleratus is added, which only makes it totally unfit for the human stomach. Saleratus in any form should not be introduced into the stomach, for the effect is fearful. It eats the coatings of the stomach, causes inflammation, and frequently poisons the entire system. Some plead: 'I cannot make good bread or gems unless I use soda, or saleratus.' You surely can if you become a scholar, and will learn. Is not the health of your family of sufficient value to inspire you with ambition to learn how to cook and how to eat?" (Testimonies for the Church, Volume Two, page 537, paragraph 2.)
Jeremy
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Dt
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Username: Dt
Post Number: 20
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Monday, April 25, 2005 - 8:59 pm: | |
Thanks Jeremy.
People who have not grown up with these types of quotes as a steady diet can never know the pure joy of simply reading the Scriptures to know the will of God. Just read them and take them for what they say, no dissecting or anything. (I'm not saying in-depth study is bad)
Jesus Himself promised us the Holy Spirit. What else could you possibly need? |
Susan_2
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Post Number: 1778
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 2:38 pm: | |
Being the ever penny pincher that I am, I took the few EGW books I owned back to the ABC and told them that I'd read several chapters and they are trash and I wanted my money back. I got a refund, no questions asked and thankfully no follow-up as they then had my name, address and phone number. |
Dt
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Post Number: 23
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 6:13 pm: | |
Susan_2
I would have paid to watch that. |
Flyinglady
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Post Number: 1422
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 6:23 pm: | |
Susan,
You are gutsy, and funny. You say things in ways that make me laugh.
I would have loved to be a fly on the wall when you took those books back and listened to the people talk, after you left.
Diana |
Colleentinker
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Post Number: 1852
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 8:58 pm: | |
How funny, Susan! I'm with Diana--I'd have loved to have listened in the clerks' conversations after you left!
How long ago was that event?
Colleen |
Jeremy
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Post Number: 597
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 9:03 pm: | |
I agree with Dt and Diana--that would have been great! Hehe.
Jeremy |
Susan_2
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Post Number: 1779
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 1:52 pm: | |
It was probably around 25 years ago. I bought some of EGW's books at the Soquel Campmeeting that year. They were being super pushed that year from the podium and I gave in to peir pressure. Immediatelly when I got them home I was sorry that I'd bought them because I grew up knowing she was an invalid source of Bibical understanding, having numerous non-SDA kin as well as numerous SDA kin. I did though read several chapters. The cheep paperbacks like the one on Diet and Health and the one on Education I tossed into the trash. But the expensive leather bound Conflict series that cost me a bundle I took back to campmeeting the following year. I just told the lady at the counter I'd bought them the year before, got them home and didn't like them and I still had my receipt and I wanted my money back. She asked how much of them I'd read. I told her several chapters. She told me to try reading them through. I told her I was a single mother with two little children and they were big books and I just wanted a refund. Then I showed her the sign that said something about full refunds with receipt. I haven't a clue of any conversation after I left but I left with around $80.oo and for sure it was $80.00 I needed for groceries and school clothes for my children. In fact, I only spent one day at campmeeting that year. I went only to take the books back. I remember though at campmeeting I always loved the corndogs at the snack bar. My best friend lost her virginity at campmeeting one year while we were still teenagers to a fellow who years later became my husband. You want to hear more? This forum isn't the place but I'll tell you right now there were some wild parties in the "empty tents" at campmeeting. Gotta go. I don't want to have to get tacky on this discussion board. I honestly do try to keep my conversations clean-cut, which isn't always possible when reminissing. |
Dennis
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Post Number: 376
Registered: 4-2000
| | Posted on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 7:34 pm: | |
Susan,
Adventism started with "wild parties" in Ellen White's day, and they still have them today. Saturday nights, in SDA centers, bring out the kids and adults to cinemas, bowling, drinking (beverages other than Postum), sex, etc. SDA colleges and universities have largely given up entertaining their students on Saturday nights. With most college students now getting loans for their education on their own, the SDA colleges and universities have very little control over them. They certainly don't want to irritate their clients. After all, they desperately need their money to survive.
For example, my wife and I well remember how a youth Sabbath School teacher repeatedly asked one of our daughters to babysit her kids on Saturday nights while they went to a movie. On several occasions, they wanted my daughter to come to their house early, while the sun was still shining, so that she and her husband could get an early start for Omaha--60 miles away--for a movie. Oh yes, this Sabbath School teacher also taught full-time in the local SDA school system. With this type of competition in SDA standards, it was impossible to teach your children reverence for the Sabbath.
Repeatedly, our traditional SDA standards were stricter than the SDA school system exemplified. As Adventist parents, we often felt our family values were being compromised by the SDA school system. Praise God, we are now delivered from their cultic doublespeak and compromise. All in all, the SDA dogma is a circular system that's immune to reasonable query.
Dennis J. Fischer
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Flyinglady
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Post Number: 1430
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 8:00 pm: | |
Somewhere along the way of my life, I have heard that the sailors in San Diego and Long Beach liked to take out SDA girls. Why??? Well, they refused to go to dances or the movies, but could they make out!!
Just a gem from my memory.
Diana |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 1858
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 8:32 pm: | |
Not surprising, Diana. I've probably mentioned this before--I know a man who used to be a local church (Christian) pastor. He was approached by some young women one day who reported that there were a handful of SDA young women in their Bible study small group. They were puzzled and came to ask their pastor about their conrfusion: said SDA girls wouldn't weare earrings (this was a couple decades ago!), but they were all sleeping around. The non-SDA women couldn't figure it out.
Colleen |
Seekr777
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Post Number: 125
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 10:24 am: | |
I stepped away for a few days and just wandered back this morning to look around and seek His presence with each of you.
I guess this thread is not the right one to read.
bye
Seeking His Presence at all times,
Richard
PS: A great big thanks for those that sent me email. It ment a great deal and I will be writing back to each of you that did. Again thanks.
rtruitt@mac.com |
Colleentinker
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Post Number: 1865
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 1:40 pm: | |
Richard, I've been praying for you and wondering how you are doing. No matter how difficult things might have been for however long, there is still almost nothing so life-shaking as a divorce. Everything peripheral seems either trivial or aggravating. I am so sorry for what I suspect you must be experiencing--and I also know how much one's emotions are on a roller-coaster at a time like this.
I'm also wondering about your daughter, about whom I know you had deep concern. Praise God that you have the consistency of your teaching and the students who actually depend on you and fill up your day (maybe sometimes over-fill it!)--and praise God that your core is unshakable: Jesus Himself.
He will bring equilibrium to you, and He will redeem this horror in your life.
With continuing prayers for you,
Colleen |
Susan_2
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Post Number: 1785
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 8:04 pm: | |
I have quite a lot of cd's by Billy Joel. On one song he sings about all the Catholic girls who start too late. And, Dennis way back in around the late 1960's my cousin told me he was going to attend PUC and he was waiting for his GI bill money to come. I told him he couldn't get government financial aid for school because I'd always been taught that the SDA church was against taxpayers money going to religious schools. He told me not only was he going to get his GI money but also the PELL grant and the garanteed stuident loans. I was totally in shock as I always had been told even from the front of the church on Saturday mornings in the sermon that the SDA church not only was for seperation of church and state but that the SDA church was THE ONLY religious organization that was activally campaigning for the seperation of church and state. I have as a result over these past 35 years followed this topic very closely and it only seems to me that the SDA organization is for the seperation in areas in which they would have to accommadate others and they are for government involvement when it comes to granting themselves special "rights" or privadgles. An example of this would be the SDA marine who reinlisted and then said his religious rights were being violated because he refuised to bear arms. Or the SDA flight attendant who said her religious rights were being violated because she refused to work on Satrurday even though on her job application form she had put that her hours of asvailibility were "open", which to most everyone means she would be available to work any day and time she was called in to work. Then after she was hired she claimed her religious rights were being violated because they expected her to be in the air on Saturdays. Have anmy of you ever read Liberty Magazione? Do they still put it out? I know when I was young that magazine was really pushed on the members. I also understand that ADRA gets governmant money/funding. How can the SDA leadership tell their faithful that the SDA church is 100% in favor of seperation of church and state and then they get all that government money? It's really quite two-faced. |
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