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| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1398 Registered: 3-2004  |
Freeatlast, I will second Stan's comment, You have done a great job on R/S. I go there just to follow the discussions and it is so convoluted and twisted, I almost get a headache trying to understand them. Tonight when I got home from work I read Titus. Verses 1-3"...and the knowledge of the truth that leads to godliness - a faith and knowledge resting on the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time, and at his appointed season he brought his word to light through the preaching entrusted to me by the command of God our Savior." We have that faith and hope through Jesus and it is very sad that almost all SDA cannot see that. Yes, I agree with you Freeatlast, we used to be like them. And I am sure I am not the only one to remember them in prayer. Our God is an awesome God and I am so thankful for that. Diana | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1399 Registered: 3-2004 |
Dt, Welcome to FAF. Thanks for coming out from behind a closed door. I look forward to hearing more from you. Diana | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1400 Registered: 3-2004 |
I just had a thought. Colporteur, Walk, Vicky, Eon, Pastor O'Ffill, and all you other posters on R/S, why don't you come over here and discuss the things we cannot discuss on the R/S site. You all come to see what we say anyway. It is just a thought if you want to come. God, you are our Heavenly Father and are so awesome, and I thank you for that. Please send the Holy Spirit to each of the posters on the R/S site and teach them your truths from the Bible. Show them that all they need is Jesus. Thank you God for answering this prayer. You are so awesome. Diana | ||
| Esther Registered user Username: Esther Post Number: 217 Registered: 5-2004 |
Free, Your courage over there was inspiring! I pray with you for them...knowing that was me a little over a year ago. If they truly desire God, they will find Him. But you can't push them there. | ||
| Freeatlast Registered user Username: Freeatlast Post Number: 343 Registered: 5-2002 |
Thanks, y'all are the best! I love each and every one of you. On another thread here, Lisa and Jeremy were discussing humility. I think that as long as one considers any of their own deeds "righteousness", the Gospel is made void in their life. Until one comes to the point where they realize that nothing they could ever do, think, or say could ever be counted righteous when set beside the overarching, filled-to-overflowing righteouness that has already freely been lavished on us in Christ Jesus will one be able to apprehend the good news that is the Gospel. God has given us the very righteousness of Jesus Christ Himself! What in the world could we ever bring to the table to improve or increase that righteousness? It is enough! I am in awe of the Gospel of God's grace, and my heart aches nonstop for people who love God but are shrouded from the good news by the darkness of the shadows. PLEASE continue to pray for our SDA brothers and sisters. I have family and friends who need those prayers desperately. Thank you and God richly bless you all! | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1776 Registered: 11-2002 |
Riverfonz, What is 1SM? | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 353 Registered: 7-2004 |
Free, your new standard bearer is Dwayne. Don't know who he is or where he's coming from, but he appears to understand the Gospel. God always provides. This was his response to those folks claiming that Jesus was born with a sinful nature: ---------- 5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, So, who's up to wanting a mind of a sinful nature christ? No thanks, zeal! 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, Anyone know of a person with a sinful nature that is equal with God? Satan bragged that he would be. Liar! 7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. Adam was made in the likeness of God, sinless in nature, yet Adam was tempted. Obviously Adam proved that a sinless nature was not only capable of being tempted but also capable of falling into sin. Jesus was the second Adam, sinless in nature. Jesus came in the likeness of man and was both, man and God. And Jesus was also tempted by the devil. But Jesus' reputation speaks for itself. Who can convict Him of having a sinful nature! 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. God being in the appearance as a man does not equate with God having a sinful nature. 9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. His perfect unfallen nature covers my fallen nature. He suffered because of my sinful nature, not His, He died because of my sinful nature, not His. It is His righteousness that covers my unrighteousness. Lord have mercy on me, a sinner. How dare anyone stand before creation and declare my Lord to have a sinful nature! I will not be a partaker of such blasphemy. I do not serve a God who is sinful in nature! Not now, not ever! This discourse is over. Let all heaven and earth praise and exalt Your Holy Name, Jesus!!! Now and forever more. ---------- I praise the Lord that he has raised up a people who will stand firm for Jesus, Creator God, God Almighty, though the heavens fall. It took me so long to figure out what a terrible teaching it was to assume that Jesus was born weakened by over 4000 years of sin. So was every other child born the year he was born. He was born filled with the Holy Spirit and sin was not even a remote possibility for him. Temptation he understood, but he would never have considered sin. Thank you Jesus for becoming our perfect sin offering, and for generously giving us abundant life. Give me Jesus Belva | ||
| Freeatlast Registered user Username: Freeatlast Post Number: 344 Registered: 5-2002 |
Amen Belva! | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 354 Registered: 7-2004 |
Please follow this url to see what Diane had to say to her brother SDAs. Diane, if you are here, you are welcome here. God bless your sincerity, and thank you for recognizing ours. Belva http://www.revivalsermons.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=566&start=330 | ||
| Heretic Registered user Username: Heretic Post Number: 56 Registered: 2-2005 |
Does anyone know where those verses come from in Dwayne's post? Diane, I just have to tell you what a beautiful message that was on the RS site and also how welcome you are here on this forum. I understand some of what you are going through as I am going through the same thing, myself. I am still attending SDA church but studying the religion that has always been a part of my identity. It's not an easy process, but with Jesus as the prize waiting for you at the end, it's ALL worth it. | ||
| Heretic Registered user Username: Heretic Post Number: 59 Registered: 2-2005 |
Wow, SDA Zeal couldn't resist a parting shot, eh? Stark bitterness exudes from nearly every one of their posts, now. Sad. Diane can't be the only SDA disappointed with their behavior. We must continue to pray for the hurting souls on that site. | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 355 Registered: 7-2004 |
Susan, I may be wrong, but I believe 1SM stands for Selected Messages, 1st Volume. | ||
| Freeatlast Registered user Username: Freeatlast Post Number: 345 Registered: 5-2002 |
The verses in Dwayne's post come from Philippians 2. Diane, I thank God for your spirit. Grace and peace to you. | ||
| Esther Registered user Username: Esther Post Number: 218 Registered: 5-2004 |
I got tears in my eyes when I read those posts. They were beautiful, and Diane reminded me so much of my own journey and emotions. When i was lurking in both places hoping against hope that what I was finding couldn't be true. My heart breaks for all the SDA's who are there. Who have yet to learn that they've been tricked. The the biggest heartbreak is for those who don't know...and who don't want to know. But this side of Adventism holds SO much more than I could have ever comprehended. It's a whole new reality that is SO amazing and blessed! My prayers are with them! | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 1820 Registered: 12-2003  |
You know, as difficult as it is to maintain conversation with the faithful at the R/S site (and clearly God does not ask any of us to persist forever in places that refuse to hear), still it is probably good, in the big picture, that the sort of exchanges there are happening. It is a CLEAR exposure of the true nature of Adventism and what happens when it bumps into the true gospel. Adventism and the gospel are two different things. Period. They are not merely variations of the same thing. Praise God for His sovereign will and His sovereign call on our lives. Jesus is worthy to be praised! Colleen | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 212 Registered: 3-2005 |
Susan, Yes 1SM is the 1st volume of Selected Messages, where those incredible quotes that came from P.32, that I cited above--now archived- in the last section. That was a dramatic exchange that Belva linked to above. Several of these people started hurling insults, and then Freeatlast came up with a beautiful parting shot, and then Diane's comments--Wow! Also, what is very interesting under Pastor's study is a new thread about SDA Darwinism, and the proof positive that a cult mentality is at work, as there are several different exchanges slamming the Review, and saying it is too liberal!! Stan | ||
| Dt Registered user Username: Dt Post Number: 7 Registered: 4-2005 |
Wow. Such vitriolic language from someone that has all the truth. God's love just shines thru wherever you happen to be, even while the zealots are trying to spread a blanket over everybody's thoughts, Diane wanders along and just let's that love shine right into all the corners. When they quote EGW, my first thought is "Where did she steal that from?" How can they continue to quote a prophet that stole from other people , denied it and sold it for a profit? Aren't the first two qualities you look for in a prophet integrity and credibility? | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 356 Registered: 7-2004 |
Regarding the Seventh-day Adventist Darwinism, I just realized something--Adventists have to keep God in a box in order to prove the 7th Day Sabbath thing. I may have already mentioned this, but several years ago I attended a "Walk Through The Bible sort of bible study group. It was a long walk, took 3 or 4 years to complete. Anyway, it was made clear that the Genesis story is not presented as scientific fact, it is an allegory, and can be placed alongside of Job where God asked Job where he was when God hung the stars. The question then becomes Where was Ellen White while God was designing the earth. The creation story was stated simply in order to tell a slave people who they were in relationship with the patriarchs who had preceded them. I serve God, and I worship him as my creator, and I don't care if he took six literal days to do it, or six eras to do it. God is not bound by time until he binds himself within time. Anyway, it is really interesting to watch the literal day people trying to say that the evidence written in the rocks of the earth has been falsified. There was one person at R/S who was fretting about how his children would be able to adapt to a world that has been steeped in Darwinism after they have been sheltered in SDA schools all their lives. I have to agree that it is a problem. I really don't know why God wrote earth's history on the face of the planet the way he did. I only know that he created everything and I'm not worried about the time it took for it to happen. The Genesis allegory was told the way it was told to help the Isrealites accept the configuration of the week and the Sabbath. There had been no break for rest before that time. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 1823 Registered: 12-2003 |
I have to tell you that last night while we were working in our office, we actually heard Richard O'Fill being interviewed (online) on the program "Cross-Talk". He is quite animated, and he held forth about the dangers of Promise Keepers (he did attend at least one PK convention) because of its ECUMENICAL "agenda". O'Fill talked about how "caught up" everyone was in the emotion of the music and the appeal to unity, and he realized that this call to transcend denominations and be united in Christ missed the point of the importance of doctrine. He went from there, and eventually he even talked about that amazing thing he wrote on his forum about the Bible writers not being here to tell us what they meant, so we need "SOMEBODY" to interpret the Bible for us. Martin Luther, he says, interprets the Bible for Lutherans; John Wesley interprets the Bible for Methodists; the Pope interprets the Bible for Catholics, and Ellen White interprets the Bible for Adventists. Etc. Since the Biblical authors are not here, he asked, who will interpret for us? He rather scoffed at the ideda that people say they will interpret it for themselves. He completely missed the point that people are not the authors of the Bible, and the Author of the Bible is, indeed STILL HERE! The Holy Spirit interprets His word in our hearts when we are born again and listen to Him. Isn't it amazing that Christians for two millennia--including Wesley and Luther--have agreed on the essentials of slavation with no benefit from any "interpreter" besides the Holy Spirit? It was, all-in-all, very much like hearing verbally what we have read visually on his site. He does have a compelling delivery--very animated. Oh, yes--he also made a comment about the Holy Spirit--that people think the Holy Spirit is "this"--and he waved his arms. Again, he missed the point of the Holy Spirit being in each of us and teaching us according to the Word. I'm sure I'm leaving out important details--I was distracted by the work I was doing--but what I heard left me with the same feeling his posts have given me...he's missing the main point. Sigh. Colleen | ||
| Seekr777 Registered user Username: Seekr777 Post Number: 119 Registered: 1-2003  |
Colleen is it possible to listen to an archived copy of what he said? What he says is very disturbing to me but then much of what I hear from such sources is disturbing.  I know I was touched deeply when I attended Promise Keepers and it was part of my journey at the beginning as I began to rethink things. God has touched my life in such powerful ways and unexpected sources. Jesus has become much more real to me from non SDA sources then ever before. richard |
