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| Bob Registered user Username: Bob Post Number: 181 Registered: 7-2000  |
Go read this article called "Signs of the Reformation's Success?" Reformation scholar Timothy George discusses Pope John Paul II's historical significance and this 'momentous' era of Catholic-evangelical dialogue. http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/114/52.0.html | ||
| Seekr777 Registered user Username: Seekr777 Post Number: 106 Registered: 1-2003  |
Colleen thanks for the comment: One of the Holy Spirit's great gifts to me has been the PRESENT. God is already in tomorrow, and He is redeeming my past. I can rest in today. | ||
| Lisa_boyldavis Registered user Username: Lisa_boyldavis Post Number: 43 Registered: 3-2005 |
Hi FAF's This is what my mom sent me: Dear Lisa and Ted, I suppose you are like us you didn't get to see the Pope's funeral. Marcy did and also a friend of ours. They said President Bush, his wife, Clinton and I believe the elder Bush and wife knelt for 5 minutes in front of the casket of the pope. That made me think of the verse, "The whole world wondered after the beast" or as the modern KJV states, "marveled after the beast". His funeral was the largest religious gathering in history. This is the first time a president of the US went to a funeral of the pope. We are certainly living in interesting times. I hope you have a wonderful week end. Love you lots, Mom I just sent her back a message saying we don't agree but I love her anyway. There's no way to explain to her that maybe the reason they knelt for 5 minutes is that the Pope did some incredible things... was kind of a forerunner in Bush's cause of fighting evil in his time (communism for the Pope and Regan, Terrorism for Bush)... The pope could have only made good decisions in his life time and they would still find a way to call him the beast. Have any of you read the last disciple of Christ by Hanagraff? I've not read it but heard many discussions of their views on the end times. It sure makes sense to me. Lisa | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 190 Registered: 3-2005 |
In the aftermath of the Pope's funeral, I would like to shae a few thoughts. One of the bigger influences on my getting out of SDA, was a book by Geoffrey Paxton, "The Shaking of Adventism", and you can read this book online at www.ellenwhite.org. He does a terrific job of comparing the SDA doctrine of salvation with the Roman Catholic doctrine of salvation. In fact, the SDA statement is no different from the statement enacted at the Council of Trent which is still in effect for Catholicism. Also, after posting and reading on R/S forum, I could not help but see how Ellen White is elevated to the level of the Holy Spirit, so that if you reject EGW, you reject the Holy Spirit, and can't be saved. The Pope, as Jeremy pointed out above in this thread referred to Mary as his co-redemptrix. EGW is a co-redemptrix for many SDAs! Amazing, how false theological systems all agree in one way or another. However, I do agree with Praisegod in the post above, how God is very Gracious, and He saves people while in Adventism or Catholicism, because, at least for the most part, both of these systems do believe in the Deity of Christ, and some of the basic Christian teachings. God also saves people out of Mormonism, JW, and other cults. What a Saviour, Indeed! Stan | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 191 Registered: 3-2005 |
Lisa, in your last post above, you ask about Hanegraf's "Last Disciple of Christ". This book was written to counterract the Pre-tribulation fantasies of "The Left Behind Series", by Tim LaHaye. I think Hank is right on , as his view of end times, is that the only event yet to take place is the 2nd coming of Christ. His point is that Revelation was written to be understood by the 1st century Christians also, and all this wild speculation we do about "End Times" is unwarranted. Stan | ||
| Carol_2 Registered user Username: Carol_2 Post Number: 295 Registered: 2-2002  |
Oh wise Jeremy (or anyone else who knows the answer.) I work with a man who is also a Baptist preacher. His native language is not English. He asked me how to pronouce "Malachy." I was not familiar with this name and told him my guess would be "Muh-lah-chee." However, now after reading about this man, I'm thinking my pronunciation sounds kind of stupid. Could it be "Mal-uh-kai" (sorry, I'm guessing how to phonetically sound these out.) Does anyone know? I looked up lots of stuff on the internet, but never could find how to pronounce the name. I am not computer-savvy enough to know where else to look. My friend doesn't want to royally mess up the name in his sermon this weekend. Thanks for anyone's help! (P.S. Don't ask me why a Baptist preaching is going to be talking about St. Malachy. I am trying to figure it out myself!) | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 565 Registered: 10-2004  |
I looked it up, and all the sites I found that gave the pronunciation of the name, except one, all seem to agree that it is pronounced "mal-uh-kee." One place said it's pronounced like "Malachi" with the "eye" sound. Although, none of those sites were talking about St. Malachy.  Jeremy (Message edited by jeremy on April 14, 2005) | ||
| Tisha Registered user Username: Tisha Post Number: 34 Registered: 3-2005 |
I looked it up on bible.org and found this from the International Standard Bible Dictionary - MALACHY - mal'-a-ki: Another form of the name of the prophet "Malachi" (which see), found in the Revised Version (British and American) and the King James Version of 2 Esdras 1:40. | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 566 Registered: 10-2004 |
I found this about St. Malachy:
Jeremy (Message edited by jeremy on April 14, 2005) | ||
| Carol_2 Registered user Username: Carol_2 Post Number: 296 Registered: 2-2002 |
Thanks Jeremy and Tisha! | ||
| Bob Registered user Username: Bob Post Number: 202 Registered: 7-2000 |
For those of you who are interested in the views of the new pope, check out this opinion piece: http://www.thenation.com/thebeat/index.mhtml?bid=1&pid=2335 Bob | ||
| Pheeki Registered user Username: Pheeki Post Number: 540 Registered: 1-2003 |
I just got off the phone with my elderly mother, she has been through a lot lately, she had a stroke and recovered quite well, only to find out my druggy nephew stole her checks and is now writing (he or a female acomplice)them all over town on a closed account. She was crying because Office Depot took a check on a closed account for 952 dollars and they don't believe she didn't write it and she is afraid she will be arrested...though I know she wont! She has to go through all kinds of police/bank hell to prove it wasn't her! So she is crying over that and then says..."and I know prophecy is being fulfilled...I heard the new Pope, with his own mouth say that he was going to unite the Catholic church and then the Protestants under the Catholics." She then went on to say that the Mark of the Beast will happen then (Sunday Laws) etc. and because of all the rampant identity theft they will have to do something like a chip or something...no buying or selling, etc. I felt the old fear creeping up in me...but I renounced it...fear is not of God. If a message strikes (nearly paralyzing, in my case) fear in you, it isn't of God. If you are in Christ you have nothing to fear for the future, you cannot take the Mark of a beast because God's mark is already on you! Aaarrgh! When will this maddness end?!? | ||
| Sabra Registered user Username: Sabra Post Number: 337 Registered: 10-2001 |
Pheeki, you might want to tell your mom what the pope actually said is that he wants to integrate the Muslim community in with the "church" That is a bit more frightening than the Sunday laws. Last I checked, the Sunday "keepers" don't behead people---oh, but, shock---the anti-christ and the Muslims do! BTW their holy day is Friday and it would be a big drop of a bomb before they would go on Sunday. Hello???????? | ||
| Pheeki Registered user Username: Pheeki Post Number: 542 Registered: 1-2003 |
I know...and we aren't that far from Martin Luther and the reformation...I can't see the protestants erasing the reformation and joining back up with the Catholics. You know how it is Sabra...the old programming starts playing in your mind and you think...what if they are right. But then Jesus speaks to me and tells me that he has it in His control. And even if they are right (which I think they aren't) what bearing does it have on our salvation? Jesus saves, not having the correct end time scenario! | ||
| Bob Registered user Username: Bob Post Number: 205 Registered: 7-2000 |
The "Protestants" who are likely to re-join the Catholics are only those who share with the Catholics their unbiblical view of salvation. Interestingly, SDA teaching on salvation is essentially the Roman Catholic doctrine! | ||
| Melissa Registered user Username: Melissa Post Number: 845 Registered: 7-2003  |
What I heard he said was something related to wanting the Catholic church to recognize the greater body of Christ rather than see themselves alone in that place. I didn't get the idea he was thinking everyone would come back to the catholic church, but that catholicism would be no different than baptist, methodist, presbyterian, etc. I heard it off a news report on tv, so who knows what he actually said... | ||
| Bob Registered user Username: Bob Post Number: 206 Registered: 7-2000 |
Trust me, he may not be so undiplomatic as to say it, now that he is pope, but he believes, based on his previous statments, that everyone should come back to the Catholic Church! | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 213 Registered: 3-2005 |
Bob, I agree with you. As I posted above you can go to www.ellenwhite.org, and read Geoffrey Paxton's "Shaking of Adventism" and see the history of SDA salvation doctrine, as compared to Catholicism. Stan | ||
| Sabra Registered user Username: Sabra Post Number: 338 Registered: 10-2001 |
I don't know what the majority of churches are preaching out there, but mine, for one, sees the error of the RCC. I think most christians want nothing to do with the RCC except to bring them into the true church, that being, the body of Christ. I can see a possibility of the RCC being the false prophet, but not the AC and the whole Sunday Law doctrine is just too far fetched for any possibiblity. There just aren't enough christians that believe Sunday is the Sabbath. I hear more and more preaching that Jesus is the Sabbath. Something I didn't hear as much until recently. The sheep know His voice. ;) | ||
| Melissa Registered user Username: Melissa Post Number: 846 Registered: 7-2003 |
I absolutely agree with you Sabra...I think it's somewhat like adventism....people can get saved there, but many will leave as they develop their relationship with Christ. I know a number of people who were saved in the catholic church, but had to leave for doctrinal issues. Just another reminder that God can use anyone/thing. |
