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| Pheeki Registered user Username: Pheeki Post Number: 562 Registered: 1-2003 |
Hydrolyzed doesn't sound good. Sounds very close to hydrgenated. Can any chemistry majors help us? I suspect the sodium content alone might kill us. Have you ever eaten one of those meatballs in a can? OSMOTIC. They suck all the moisture out of your cells all the way down your throat, esophogus and intestines. | ||
| Jeannette Registered user Username: Jeannette Post Number: 97 Registered: 3-2003 |
hydrolyzed proteins are proteins that have been broken down into their amino acid components, they are not bad unless you have problems with monosodium glutamate, MSG. Hydrogenation is adding hydrogen atoms onto molecules. | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 627 Registered: 10-2004  |
Pheeki, if you want to be really frightened, check out this link: http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html  Jeremy | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1798 Registered: 11-2002 |
Is this extreme, or what? I have a cousin who is definately not SDA. She was raised strict SDA though. She had to relocate many miles. Her devoted SDA brother offered to help her move as he had a truch. On the last run she asked him to get the food from her freezer and put it in the ice chest. Even though all her meat was completely packaged he would not carry it from the freezer to the ice chest in the truch because he knew the meat packages contained pork. Silly me. I mentioned to other kin how extreme this was and all my SDA kin said they would have handled the situtation the same way. | ||
| Helovesme2 Registered user Username: Helovesme2 Post Number: 189 Registered: 8-2004 |
Extreme? Yes. To be expected? Also yes, I think. If he really thinks that carrying pork could affect his standing with God then he would have little choice but to NOT touch even the packages containing it. I think it's sad really. | ||
| Melissa Registered user Username: Melissa Post Number: 866 Registered: 7-2003  |
If B has cleaned up the kitchen after I've cooked, he won't wash or even put in the dish washer the pan that has had meat in it. It's somewhat fascinating to watch, once you get over the irritation at the "incomplete" cleanup job. | ||
| Heretic Registered user Username: Heretic Post Number: 79 Registered: 2-2005 |
Susan, I don't think that legalists, in general, really realize the negative impact they are making with pious, self-righteous acts such as the one you described. They feel the need to show their disapproval in a demonstrable way, thus ratcheting themselves up as more acceptable to God for "standing up" for the "truth." Nevermind the fact that the message that comes across so loudly is that making a point of showing how wrong she is takes precedence over his relationship with his sister. I'm sure it REALLY made her want to come running back to rejoin the SDA church, right? Being "right" becomes more important than loving others and maintaining healthy relationships. But you're right, it's sad. Heretic | ||
| Pw Registered user Username: Pw Post Number: 418 Registered: 6-2004 |
This brings up the chocolate issue again. I remember seeing chocolate items at the pot lucks gatherings (and I used to make chocolate chip cookies) and yet, there was no issue about it, which surprised me because they were so rigid against caffeine. I even asked about that and they said since it contained very little caffeine it was ok. Eh???? Which leads to another memory of the SDA's serving hot chocolate one night, and another night an ice cream gathering at a pastor's home. Aren't they against dairy products? No wonder I was confused about the health issues. People drank sodas as long as it was caffeine-free and yet didn't seem to care about how much sugar was in it. Same with the desserts! And we used to go out for pizza after a sabbath was over and people had no problem with cheese pizzas. I still don't get it to this day, and it's been over 19 years ago. | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 630 Registered: 10-2004 |
For some reason, they seem to think they can pick and choose what to follow and what not to follow of EGW's health instructions. They generally don't seem to care about her "counsel" about cheese, sugar, or ice cream. Also, since she wasn't against chocolate they think they can eat that. The woman didn't know what caffeine was--she just knew that tea and coffee were "stimulants." She didn't have a clue about chocolate. EGW even directly forbids them from selling ice cream at campmeeting. What do they do? They sell ice cream at campmeeting. Jeremy | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 1899 Registered: 12-2003  |
It kind of makes me feel as if I fell down the rabbit hole, like Alice in Wonderland. Curioser and Curioser! What confusion we lived with--what confusion so many of our loved ones still endure! (And yet that confusion feels comfortable; the mental gymnastics necessary to rationalize all the contradictions feels clever and intellectually stimulating, thus reinforcing the feeling of superiority over common life that Adventists have.) Sigh. Colleen | ||
| Pw Registered user Username: Pw Post Number: 419 Registered: 6-2004 |
It's basically a "to each each their own" on what to follow regarding what to eat and drink regardless of what EGW wrote. Same with picking and choosing what suits certain lifestyles also revolves around what can and can't be done on a sabbath day. | ||
| Bob Registered user Username: Bob Post Number: 242 Registered: 7-2000  |
Colleen, I am convinced that the underlying confusion you described is a "control mechanism" that keeps many followers feeling "off balance," and thus too insecure to actively pursue lines of thought that would take them into spiritual reality! "Cognitive dissonance" is a useful manipulative tool to those who wish to subjugate people. Bob | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1801 Registered: 11-2002 |
My mom tells people she cannot have anything with lard or pork in it because she's allergic to pork and pork products. I told her once not too long ago that it is a lie and how can she justify saying that to people. She told me the thought of herself going to hell causes a very norticiable reaction in her and therefore she really is allergic to pork and pork products. I used to think it was only my kin who are extreme in this area. Having been reading on this forum for several years I now realize it's not only my kin, it's SDA's all over the globe. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 1902 Registered: 12-2003 |
Great point, Bob. And yes, Susan, your mom is not alone in her aversion and reaction to the "pork issue". Colleen | ||
| Dt Registered user Username: Dt Post Number: 28 Registered: 4-2005 |
Hi everyone. I was away for a few days so I got to read most of this topic all at once. I absolutely LOVE to have these discussions with SDA's about food, etc. Needling them about these issues is a lot of fun. Such as: 1. How can you take health advice from someone that was addicted to vinegar? Do the SDA's have a "vinegar hot-line" that other poor unfortunate addicts can call for counseling? 2. If they eat cheese and white bread, they are a slam dunk "cheese should never be introduced into the stomach". No excuse. The guilt makes beads of sweat form on their foreheads. 3. Why do Mormons live almost as long (a matter of a few months) as SDA's? Does that mean Joseph Smith had the same level of inspiration? (Only use this one of you enjoy hearing sputtering and indignation) 4. Do you really believe that eating meat causes masturbation, which is responsible for HALF of the inmates of the insane asylum? (Appeal to Mothers) 5. Do you really believe that God told EGW in 1857 that it was ok to eat pork but absolutely forbade it in 1863? 6. When Jesus fed the 5,000 did He endanger those people being able to pass the IJ? Did He do this intentionally? If Jesus served fish at an SDA potluck by miraculously multiplying a couple of fish, would they eat it? I probably shouldn't let myself do this, but it is just plain fun. | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 631 Registered: 10-2004 |
Another thing to ask them would be, how could Ellen say you should never go to doctors, and then later say that she never taught such a thing and that going to doctors was fine, all while claiming to be inspired by God??! Jeremy | ||
| Pw Registered user Username: Pw Post Number: 420 Registered: 6-2004 |
Because she's notorious for her "do as I say, not as I do" type teaching. And that type of mentality has trickled down into today's SDA generation. It's amazing how blinded I was to her constant waffling on issues, saying one thing is ok and then it isn't, or vice versa. What's up with the constant rule changing? I have confronted SDA's about the chocolate/caffeine issue, and they got very defensive. They have no decent answer to the claims I bring before them, so they turn it around and say I'm spreading evil against their church and I should repent. The issue about masturbating causing mental instability is really a joke. No wonder they don't want that particular quote published or even spoken about in their clan. It's an embarrassment to think their beloved prophet would ever make such a claim, and learn later that it's not true. That's what they do with her false testimonies. Sweep them under the rug so it's never mentioned, especially to the new recruits. | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 403 Registered: 7-2004 |
Growing up I was aware that there were "strict" Adventists and "not so strict" Adventists, and that each person or family could be several shades of those two extremes on several issues. For instance, my parents wouldn't even acknowledge Christmas, Easter, and other Pagan/Christian holidays, but they served meat in my house at least once or twice a week. We could go to the theater to watch a Walt Disney nature film (remember those--Vanishing Prairre, Living Desert), but all else was taboo. Sabbaths we had to be all bathed and cleaned up before sunset Friday, meals prepared for the next day--that sort of thing, but with a family of five children who could get antsy Sabbath afternoons, we usually all piled into the care (crowded!) and took long drives to nowhere, and just kept going until the sun went down. Wasn't there some restriction on unnecessary travel? How did we get to EGW issues from Light Sabers on the cover of Signs of the Times? Belva | ||
| Pw Registered user Username: Pw Post Number: 421 Registered: 6-2004 |
How did we get to EGW issues from Light Sabers on the cover of Signs of the Times? Answer: Blame Jeremy. :-) | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 633 Registered: 10-2004 |
LOL! Actually it was Weimarred, Jerry, and Freeatlast that got the food/EGW thing started (talking about fast food, pickles, EGW, etc.)... ;-) Jeremy (Message edited by jeremy on May 06, 2005) |
