| Author | Message | ||
| Heretic Registered user Username: Heretic Post Number: 52 Registered: 2-2005 |
Thanks for the link, Greg. The soundtrack with the spooky music and howling angels made it creepy. The animation itself reminded me a bit of Monty Python. Heretic | ||
| Yossariana Registered user Username: Yossariana Post Number: 28 Registered: 8-2004  |
When in Romania, I was talking with an adventist about the possibility that ellen white is a plagiarist. I didn't say much at all, I just raised some questions just to find out later that he spread all over that 'She's lost...' It doesn't matter for them your zeal for God, but your zeal for a woman... | ||
| Pw Registered user Username: Pw Post Number: 388 Registered: 6-2004 |
I wish I could watch that animated skit, but I have Quicktime, not Windows. Looking from the title design, I really doubt that Pixar has anything to worry about as far as competition. | ||
| Greg Registered user Username: Greg Post Number: 99 Registered: 2-2005 |
Pw, you can download the Windows Media Player for Macintosh here. There is a Mac OS X and OS 9 version, so make sure you select the correct one. Your Pixar comment is right on the money, but obviously someone spent a lot of time and energy creating that animation. Greg | ||
| Pw Registered user Username: Pw Post Number: 390 Registered: 6-2004 |
I have to agree with heretic. It is like a Monty Python cartoon. And now for something completely different.... | ||
| Dt Registered user Username: Dt Post Number: 4 Registered: 4-2005 |
In a vision recounted in 1851 EGW wrote: (she is speaking here of those who abandoned the 1844 message after Jesus did not return to earth on October 22, 1844) "I turned to look at the company who were still bowed before the throne; they did not know that Jesus had left it. Satan appeared to be by the throne, trying to carry on the work of God. I saw them look up to the throne, and pray, "Father, give us Thy Spirit." Satan would then breathe upon them an unholy influence; in it there was light and much power, but no sweet love, joy, and peace. Satan's object was to keep them deceived and to draw back and deceive God's children. " Early Writings page 56, EG White This so-called vision all by itself condemns her. Jesus, who said "I will never leave you nor forsake you", got up and left the believers because they missed this tricky little failed prediction and its' true meaning. THEN, He allowed Satan to breathe his unholy influence on them. This is a gross misrepresentation of God. I have not seen any parallel to this in Scripture. God does not condemn believers for not believing in what does not happen. This is just so twisted. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 1819 Registered: 12-2003  |
Exactly, Dt. Not to mention the fact that this vision places Satan in heaven in the vicinity of God's throne and able to deceive the people, causing them to believe they were praying to God but reaching him instead. This reminds me of my younger son's response when he was 11 and I asked him where Ellen's dreams came from if she was a false prophet. "Satan," he answered without thinking twice. It has to be true. I don't believe that even an addled woman would think up such treachery as to claim that Satan takes his place in heaven and deceives those who believe they are praying to God. It would take Satan himself to exalt himself that blatantly. Utter blasphemy. Colleen | ||
| Dt Registered user Username: Dt Post Number: 5 Registered: 4-2005 |
I agree. Blasphemy is the best word to describe this blatant, deliberate misrepresentation of the character of God. You can tell by this and earlier quotes that she was setting the church up for that whole "us against them" mentality and the belief that only she held the secret to salvation. Absurd. What is unbelievable is that she positions herself and the Little Flock as having the whole Christian world against them and rejecting the 1844 message. Most of Christiandom was unaware of Miller and his predictions, even in North America. People bought into that whole persecution/isolationist mentality and it just kept going. | ||
| Bob Registered user Username: Bob Post Number: 204 Registered: 7-2000  |
Ellen (Harmon) White and her parents were Methodists prior to becoming involved in the Millerite movement. The reason they were disfellowshipped from the Methodist Church was because they persisted in publicly date-setting the return of Jesus after their church repeatedly asked them to stop. The Methodists knew this was unbiblical, a direct contradiction of the words of Jesus Himself. However, later, when Ellen White commented on this, she said that her family was kicked out because they believed in the Second Coming of Christ. This was a blatant misrepresentation, but it served her purpose in solidifying the "apostate Protestantism" charge against Christendom! Bob | ||
| Melissa Registered user Username: Melissa Post Number: 844 Registered: 7-2003  |
B says the millerite movement was widely known.... even in other countries...???? | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 579 Registered: 10-2004  |
Melissa, that is a favorite SDA myth. They say it was the "first and second angel's messages" and Revelation 14:6 says that the first angel's message goes to "every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people." So they try to show that it went to different countries, etc. But the fact is, there are many countries it did not go to (even whole continents, I believe), and probably less than 1% of the world heard about it! Here is a link with more info: http://www.ellenwhite.org/egw21.htm Jeremy | ||
| Dt Registered user Username: Dt Post Number: 6 Registered: 4-2005 |
After the "Great Disappointment" there were only about 200 that followed James, Ellen and Bates. This is why they referred to themselves as the Little Flock. Their small numbers and mindset opened the door for Ellen to give them their mindset of exclusivity, which continues into the 21st century. | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 227 Registered: 3-2005 |
When I was going through back issues of Proclamation!, I came across an article in the July/Aug. 2004 issue by Jeffrey Helsius regarding what EGW said about amalgamation between man and beast, and that he had seen unpublished papers in a secret vault at Andrews Univ. with some very damaging info about what Ellen really said about this situation, but the writer did not say what he saw. Does anyone have insight into what he was talking about that was so super secret in that vault?! Stan | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 605 Registered: 10-2004 |
Stan, check out the links in this post of mine: http://rtinker.powweb.com/discus/discus/messages/11/2604.html#POST34056 For that first link in that post, go to the second testimonial, the one from October 2004. Interestingly, I just read Leviticus 18:23 today, which says, "Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it [is] confusion." (KJV.) And what did EGW say about the "species" which were a result of "amalgamation of man and beast"?
It seems that EGW called the amalgamated species "confused species" because Leviticus 18:23 calls sex with animals "confusion"! So she really is talking about amalgamation between man and beast! Jeremy | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 606 Registered: 10-2004 |
Oh, I didn't read all of that quote earlier, hehe! The first paragraph also says that the "amalgamation" caused "confusion"--more evidence that she was relating it to Leviticus 18:23 and bestiality. Jeremy (Message edited by jeremy on April 30, 2005) | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 229 Registered: 3-2005 |
Thanks again Jeremy, you continue to be an incredibly good resource for all of us. Stan | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 266 Registered: 3-2005 |
In the newest Adventist Today (Jan, Feb.'05), in the letters to the editor section, is a reply from Dr Fred Hoyt, of La Sierra Univ. regaarding his famous article "Wrestling with Venerable Manuscripts", (which you can read online at www.truthorfables.com, and enter the site, and scroll down to the section on visions, under 100 visits from Christ), Hoyt replies, "Dr. Dederer did not comment on Sister White's startling statement that Christ had personally--not in a dream or vision--appeared to her more than a hundred times....This, in comparison with St. Paul's few personal visits from Christ, plus her tremendous quantity of writing, makes Ellen Gould Harmon White the preeminent prophet of the Christian era." That is a remarkable quote coming from one of SDAs own History professors. Stan | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 666 Registered: 10-2004 |
EGW SAYS JESUS WAS "NOT GOD" NOR "a god" Look at this amazing quote that I just found yesterday:
Wow!! EGW says outright that Jesus was "NOT God" and that He wasn't even a "god"!!! Jeremy | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1501 Registered: 3-2004  |
And she said she was inspired by God?????? That does not sound like God to me. The Bible is so simple, even a child can understand it when it is explained to a child. Thank God Jesus is God and He is all I need. He is awesome. Diana | ||
| Heretic Registered user Username: Heretic Post Number: 92 Registered: 2-2005 |
Jeremy, What can you say to the above quote but, "Wow!" I read that entire section of Manuscript Releases and was once again amazed at how Christ's role as Saviour and a Deity is minimized. Clearly, to EGW, Christ came merely to be our example, to show us how it's done -- how we can vindicate the Almighty God (who answers to NO ONE) by keeping the Law. Oh, but how this misses the entire point of Christ's purpose in coming to this earth and thus the gospel! I can't help but see this as a very self-centered view, but it fits in nicely with a good portion of Mrs. White's writings. She tells how to live virtually every aspect of our lives in a way that will elevate us into higher favor with God. No matter how you look at it, this puts our focus squarely onto ourselves. It seems that Jesus would rather we spend our time perfecting our own characters rather than doing what it is that He really calls us to do...serve OTHERS and lead OTHERS to Him. Which focus seems more in harmony with His life (or example)? Nearly always when growing up in the church, when the pastor would speak about using the power of God to work in us, it was in reference to helping us to keep the law. This Sunday (yes, we've been going to church Saturday AND Sunday), the pastor also spoke about using the power of God to work in us...but instead using it to get off of our keisters and out of our comfort zone to minster to others, leading them to Christ. I can't tell you how refreshing this was. Heretic |
