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Denisegilmore
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Posted on Saturday, April 02, 2005 - 12:16 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dear Diana,

I'm so very happy that you too went and signed the Memorial Guest Book! As I've said to Pamela (foreverscout), that will so bless the Schindlers in many many ways. And it will also have blessings, in my belief, for others as well.

May our Lord Jesus Christ forever shine His Face upon you and your household. In His Name, this prayer is offered. Amen.

Your sister with love in Christ, our King Jesus. Amen.

denise
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Posted on Saturday, April 02, 2005 - 9:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Foreverscout,

I did write to Colleen and Richard but have not recieved a reply yet. Am not sure why unless they are extremely busy or haven't read their emails yet. Until then, hope to be able to keep in touch here or one of us can post our email address here.

God Bless you.

Denise
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Posted on Saturday, April 02, 2005 - 10:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Rest in Peace John Paul.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/04/02/world/main684853.shtml <~~~~part 1

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/04/02/world/main684853_page2.shtml <~~~~part 2
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Posted on Monday, April 11, 2005 - 9:17 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Denise,
Did Colleen ever get my email address to you? I emailed her with my address and aol buddy/chat name. Here is a new editorial I found that you might be interested in.
http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/jking/2005/jk_04081.shtml

Your sister in Christ,
Foreverscout aka Pamela
Denisegilmore
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Posted on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 - 1:01 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Pamela,

That is a great article with alot of details that went missing in the news on television, isn't it? Thank you!

Now here's two for you that you can continue to click on for the daily updates. I do believe you will enjoy these also.

http://theempirejournal.com/ <~~~lots of info!

http://sierra-faith.blogspot.com/ <~active in keeping the public informed daily with other such ongoing cases in the United States.

I'm about to check my email now and send an email your way a little later this morning (it's going on 1 a.m.).

May God Bless you forever!

Love in Christ Jesus.

your sister--denise


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Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2005 - 6:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Denise,
I've checked my email and I can't find any there from you yet. I have my aol buddylist up in case you show up. Life has been exciting lately, I was called away from a Boy Scout Adult Training Campout this last Saturday to help my friend deliver her baby, it was so awesome to see one of God's miracles up close! God is So Good!! I am going to go and check out your websites now.

Love from your sister in Christ,
Pamela aka Foreverscout
Denisegilmore
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Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 3:13 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello Pamela,

I'm so sorry it's taken me days to write to you and will send you an email later this day or evening. Ironically enough, the battle to live without a very real threat of death on my head has hit home here. So far, as is usuall, my pleas are falling on deaf ears.

For now however, here's another link that may give you much insight into this spiritual warfare being played out in our culture:

http://watch.pair.com/charter.html

And that's just for starters....

Oh yes and how did you like "theempirejournal.com?" link given just above?

Without total reliance upon Christ my Saviour as my Faithful and Trustworthy Hope, I'd have none.

Peace to your household. And much love through Christ our King!

your sister--denise
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Posted on Monday, April 18, 2005 - 4:47 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The Sacramento Bee: / Opinion

Another view: The flaws in Oregon's suicide law

By Paul K. Longmore -- Special To The Bee
Published 2:15 am PDT Sunday, April 17, 2005

Paul Longmore is disability advocate and professor of
history and director of the Institute on Disability at
San Francisco State University. He is responding to the
editorial "California can provide dignity at life's
end," April 10.

Contrary to the assertions of proponents of assisted
suicide and, unfortunately, The Sacramento Bee that
AB 654 and the Oregon law it models have strong
safeguards, both have dangerous major defects.

Most glaring, though the law requires doctors to document
lethal prescriptions thoroughly, it sets no penalties for
failing to report. The Oregon Legislature did not give
the Department of Human Services (DHS) regulatory authority
or the resources to detect violations. DHS does not
regularly interview doctors who refused to assist the
patients to die. So most of that mountain of data that
The Bee and proponents have used to justify their position
comes from the doctors who write the death-causing
prescriptions.

Talk about skewing the results! While DHS reports allegedly
show the law's success, the privacy provision makes it
difficult for data to go deeper. Problems with the law's
implementation came to light only because the Oregon press
interviewed relatives of some deceased patients. DHS
admitted in its first report that it could not determine
whether the practice of physician-assisted suicide was
complying with or violating the law.

Last month, The Oregonian, noted: "Oregon's Death With
Dignity Act does not give them the necessary authority
to investigate individual assisted suicides" and that
the law's reporting system "seems rigged to avoid finding"
answers to questions about the practice. The promise that
legalization would bring assisted suicide into the open,
regulate it and make doctors accountable has led instead
to physician-assisted suicide practiced in secret and
without oversight.

Advocates also assert that Oregon's law has vastly improved
pain control. But a Journal of Palliative Medicine study
reported that pain relief for dying Oregonians has
deteriorated. Dying patients in 2000-02 were nearly twice
as likely to be described as suffering moderate or severe
pain during the last week of life as in 1996-97. The
researchers noted that Medicare and Medicaid budget
cuts might be involved, declaring: "The negative impact of
overstretching nursing resources on pain management should
not be underestimated." Since 37 percent of Oregonians who
took the lethal medications depended on those programs, we
must ask if poor pain management prodded them to end their
lives.

Proponents want us to look to Oregon as a model, where
only successful suicides are reported, there is virtually
no oversight and the actual quality of end-of-life care has
deteriorated. This solution is fatally flawed and should be
rejected.

Paul K. Longmore
Professor, Department of History
San Francisco State University
1600 Holloway Avenue
San Francisco, CA 94132
ph: 415-338-6498 or 415-338-3382
fax: 415-338-7539 or 415-338-0952
e-mail: Plong16141@aol.com or longmore@sfsu.edu


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Posted on Wednesday, May 11, 2005 - 4:49 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This is a good article. While I could have started a new thread, I've chosen to use this spot for any links like this that have to do with Christianity and Disability. Here's the first two of more to come. You just might be surprised. O Happy Day....

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05095/482784.stm

http://www.faithability.org/religiondisability/
Denisegilmore
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Here is another excellent site or blog that I'm sure many will enjoy. This man brings some excellent things for all of us to think about. He must be located near or in Redlands California so you may know him--who knows right? Interesting title to begin with. Here is one paragraph from his blogspot that holds alot of credence.

"THOUGHT FOR THE DAY"

"The matter is quite simple. The Bible is very easy to understand. But we Christians are a bunch of scheming swindlers. We pretend to be unable to understand it because we know very well that the minute we understand we are obliged to act accordingly. Take any words in the New Testament and forget everything except pledging yourself to act accordingly. My God, you will say, if I do that my whole life will be ruined. Herein lies the real place of Christian scholarship. Christian scholarship is the Church's prodigious invention to defend itself against the Bible, to ensure that we can continue to be good Christians without the Bible coming too close. Dreadful it is to fall into the hands of the living God. Yes, it is even dreadful to be alone with the New Testament."
- Soren Kierkegaard, from "Kill the Commentators" in PROVOCATIONS"

Read more on this man's blog, I'm sure you'll find it worth your time. http://www.disabledchristianity.blogspot.com/

I found this blog on the "faithability.org/religiondisability/" site above. So my thanks goes to them both. There are others (many) that bring in new perspectives for us all I believe. And hopefully this will uplift, encourage, provoke thoughts and help us gleam some interesting insights into what we know as Christianity.

Hopefully somebody on this forum or out there in the world will appreciate these sites in this entire thread--including the many many sites in the above dates. If so, a word to let me know somebody is reading any of these would sure brighten my day and let me know if my time is spent in vain or not. My prayer is that somebody will find something here useful.

In Christ Jesus.

Denise

As a side--I just tried to post this at 630a.m. May 11, 2005 and was given a message of something to the affect of "site locked" or something "locked" but for certain the word "locked" was a word used with preventing me to first post this. I wish this were explained to me.
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Posted on Wednesday, May 11, 2005 - 2:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Denise, I did go to the blog you posted above, and it is very good. We, as Christians should always be mindful of the disabled. I enjoy hearing Joni Eareckson Tada on her radio show. She was also on Larry King not too long ago. She has made such a wonderful Christian witness through the years. I admire your dedication to these worthwhile causes as well. Stan
Denisegilmore
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Posted on Sunday, May 15, 2005 - 6:08 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Stan,

I'm thankful that you went and read his blog. Seems there is one (you) who actually cares. All the rest, as Hamlet would say, "is silence."

Joni Tada is a wonderful example as are many others. We all have something to say and contribute regarding Christianity and Disability. It's unfortunate that it takes primarily Christians with disabilites to point out the Disabled Christians. Or moreover apathetic Christians (this thread speaks volumes to the truth of that statement).

Here is another site regarding disability and yes,,,the "P" word. She is a Christian who speaks her mind and stands up straight and tall with head held high to proclaim some more truths (you may not like these Stan).

I may not agree with everything she says (or I just might--just to leave the reader ever wondering whether I do or don't. And since you appear to be the "only" reader, then it's you and me kid! <grin>) but what she states is common sense and well, that's a hard one for alot of people nowadays. So I do hope that perhaps you will be willing to read "many" (not just one or two) or her articles and tell me what you think of her site. Here it is and I'm really hoping there is something there to encourage you or give you something to think about at the very least. God Bless you Stan for taking the time out to not only read but also to comment on the last site. Your a good man in my book.

http://www.jesusonthefamily.org/

Blessings to your household Stan.

In Christ.

Denise
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Denise, You are right. I noticed a big difference between jesusonthefamily and the disabledchristianity blog. The one I liked is not a hate Bush site, like the one just above. Denise, I don't want to get into a political battle with you. but I do know where Joni Tada stands. She believes, like i do that our president loves the Lord--Please correct me if i am wrong! I have listened to her on multiple occasions. But since you published 2 different sites, I went to both of them, and one is truly
Christian, and the other one is a hate Bush website, and I obviously disagree with you. Just one question, Do you believe John Kerry represented Christianity with regard to abortion, and Disabled Americans better than Bush? And, oh yes, since this thread is about Terry Schiavo, who represented your position better? Regardless of our political biases, we are united in Jesus Christ. Stan
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Stan,

The other site is not a "hate" Bush so much as she doesn't care for his policies. Neither do I. But I wouldn't want Kerry in there either, he'd be just as bad in my opinion. Remember, I'm non-partisan.

Now here's an article that was published and while it is true the writers of the article are Democrats, this doesn't mean I'm a Democrat. However, what they are saying is true and gives us much to worry about as Disabled citizens. After that article I'm going to post another article to answer your questions regarding "abortion" and one about what Bush could have done in the Schiavo case also.

I'm like you, not out to spat over political parties. However, I do stand for what's right and point out what's wrong nomatter which "party" is involved. Again, I'm non-partisan so I don't take sides nor do I hate either side just because I may put something on here that they are doing that is either criminal or negligent or just plain wrong. However, I do hate the wrong-doing.

And yes, we are still a brother and sister in Christ and always will be Stan. Yet we cannot idolize any political party just because that's the "in" thing or the "majority" of Christians. We must stand for truth where-ever it is found and that takes opening up of both of our minds to gather this truth.

Personally speaking both parties have flaws and yet at the same time it is my opinion that this "party difference" is a ruse. Someday I'll explain that in another thread. So on with the first article for some insight as to what is causing some stress amongst us people with disabilities. (so this post isn't so lengthy I'll put the other article in the next post).

"""Pelosi: President Still Considering Disability Cuts as Part of Plan to
Privatize Social Security

U.S. Newswire
Friday - May 13, 2005

WASHINGTON, May 13 /U.S. Newswire/ -- House Democratic Leader Nancy
Pelosi released the following statement on the President's Social
Security plan, which the White House acknowledged yesterday, would
drastically cut benefits to Americans with disabilities:

"Just two weeks ago, President Bush assured Americans that disability
benefits would not be cut under his privatization plan. Yesterday, a
White House spokesman said disability cuts are still on the table. Either
disability benefits will be cut or they won't be. Which is it, Mr. President?

"The White House also confirmed this week that benefits would be cut for
the middle class and for survivors.

"Social Security has given millions of Americans the opportunity to live
with dignity and independence, and Democrats will not walk away from our
commitment to ensuring that families receive the benefits they have earned.

"In order to push through his risky privatization plan, the President has
proposed slashing benefits for middle-class families, cutting benefits
for widows and children, and trillions of dollars in additional debt.
Despite the high cost of privatization, the President's misleading plan
makes the challenge facing Social Security worse, not better.

"Democrats stand ready to strengthen Social Security on a bipartisan
basis as we did in 1983 when Speaker Tip O'Neill joined with President
Reagan for the common good. In that spirit, we urge the President to
begin considering proposals that strengthen Social Security in a way that
does not gut benefits for middle-class families and does not jeopardize
the economic security of those struggling to make ends meet when faced
with disability or death."

http://www.usnewswire.com/
Contact: Brendan Daly or Jennifer Crider, 202-226-7616, both of the
Office of House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi"""
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Stan,

Here's an article in between the first post and the post regarding "abortions and Terri Schiavo" that I thought may interest you.

" 'No freedom for disabled'

iafrica.com
JOHANNESBURG
Tue, 26 Apr 2005

Members of the QuadPara Association of South Africa would not celebrate
freedom on Freedom Day because government was not enforcing their equal
rights, they said on Tuesday.

National director Ari Seirlis said the disability sector made up at
least 10 percent of the population of South Africa, and enjoyed
democracy, but not the freedom that democracy entitled them to.

"There is no accessible public transport for persons with mobility
impairments, still no access to accessible sanitation, water and
housing," Seirlis said.

Paralysed by infrastructure

"We can't go to any Freedom Day events because we can't get there. We
can't catch a bus. We can't even get there to boycott," he told Sapa.

"We are paralysed, but not by disability, by the infrastructure."

South Africa had "magnificent" legislation but "it is on paper" and the
Employment Equity Act had only created audits.

"There are no more people employed, no public transport, the government
has scrapped disability grants forcing people to reapply because there
were cheats," he added.

The R780 grant itself did not take into account the severity and the
different levels of disability.

When new housing developments were proposed nobody from the disabled
community was consulted.

A needs analysis was required as urban and rural people had different
obstacles.

Disabled people living in rural areas had no electricity for specialist
highcare medical equipment or even hot water for changing bandages.

There were no taps, toilets were inaccessible and there was no public
transport to ferry them for religious worship, socialising or
appointments.

"Although we feel democratised, our lot isn't any better. If you are
black, white or pink, if you use a wheelchair, you are no better off."

Freedom Day marks the 1994 ushering-in of South Africa's first
democratically elected government.

Sapa
E-mail: colinhastie@iafrica.com


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Stan,

Here is an article from a Pastor of 30 years outlining some of the policies of this Government currently in office. It's titled:

"WITH REPUBLICANS LIKE THESE WHO NEEDS DEMOCRATS?"

In other words, he's rather like myself. We can see right and wrong regardless of the political party. But this list should give us all pause.

Peace to you Stan.

http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/cwarchive_050405.html
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And now what Bush has done with regard to "abortion" and what he could have done for "Terri Schiavo."

On abortion with documentation to back up what he is saying; look at this:

http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/bushabortion$.html

On Terri Schiavo, here's the truth as to what Bush could have and should have done. And do try to keep in mind Stan that of course we are talking about what these Republicans are doing as our President is Republican and they are controlling both houses.

If it were the Democrats controlling both houses, then we'd be talking about those darned Democrats. So whoever is the President, of course it's that President we talk about, and whoever is in control of the houses, then yes we talk about that party. This is common sense stuff, not Bush hating. Policy hating yes, but not necessarily Bush hating. Please keep in mind that honest critique and or critizing doesn't equal hate. Okay, on with the article:
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"Terri Schiavo Isn't The Only One Dying-So Is Lady Liberty!

By Chuck Baldwin
March 29, 2005

How is it possible? How could it happen in the United States of
America? We could understand it if this happened in Nazi
Germany or in Stalin's Russia or in Mao's China, but how could it
happen in America?

How can a nation whose core principles protect the rights of life
and liberty for every citizen allow (even condone) a woman to be
slowly and painfully starved to death? This is beyond
comprehension.

There are so many elements to this story that it is very difficult to
deal with them all, especially in one column. Let me try to
highlight a couple of the more glaring lessons that come out of this
tragic story.

Under Florida statutes, Terri's husband, Michael, is legally
authorized to make life or death decisions on behalf of his wife.
These statutes are, no doubt, rooted in the principle that the
marriage relationship of a man and a woman is the cornerstone of
the family and of all society. In principle, this is a very good thing.
No one, at least not me, wants the state meddling in the affairs of
the family except under dire and extreme circumstances.

However, are not the circumstances surrounding the Terri Schiavo
affair dire and extreme? Does not the state intervene in family
matters hundreds, even thousands, of times every year for matters
much less severe than those surrounding Terri Schaivo?

Obviously, state laws recognizing the authority and right of a
spouse to speak for his or her mate in life-threatening matters
hinges on the presupposition that the spouse truly loves his or her
mate and seeks the mate's best interest. Unfortunately, too many
times, a spouse will prove by his or her actions that he or she does
not have the mate's best interests at heart, and the state is forced to
intervene.

Can any objective person who is even vaguely familiar with Terri's
story not readily admit that there is more than ample evidence of
misconduct and mismanagement of Terri's care and oversight by
husband Michael Schiavo? This part of the story is a no-brainer!

Where is the curiosity for truth and the desire for justice on the part
of local and state law enforcement, state attorneys, and local and
state judges located in Pinellas Park and in the State of Florida? Is
there not plenty of circumstantial evidence to suggest that Michael
is acting out of motives that are unclear, uncertain, and perhaps
even unscrupulous?

Somewhere within the vast bureaucracy of law enforcement and
the state judiciary, there must be mechanisms in place to
circumvent state ordered starvation! Yet, despite all the hullabaloo
of Florida politicians, Terri Schiavo is slowly dying of starvation
and dehydration! I cannot imagine a more painful death.

Does anyone in their right mind really believe that the starvation of
a young woman whose medical condition is anything but certain
(after all, more than 30 physicians, including numerous specialists,
have emphatically declared that Terri Schiavo is not in a
"persistent vegetative state") is what lawmakers had in mind when
they created the state laws that are now being used to justify
Terri's tortuous death? Get real!

Another glaring lesson is that of how the executive and legislative
branches of government (both state and federal) are ceding power
to the judiciary at a frightening pace! For all practical purposes, we
do not have three "separate but equal" branches of government
anymore. Instead, we have an all-powerful judiciary with no
checks and balances provided by the other two branches. The Terri
Schiavo case shines neon lights upon this reality.

There is no question to anyone who understands the Separation of
Powers doctrine that Governor Jeb Bush has the discretionary
authority and obligation to faithfully execute his state's laws
protecting the right to life. This same authority is given to all state
governors. And in matters relating to the federal government, this
same authority is granted to the President of the United States.

In Governor Bush's case, Article I, Section 2, of the Florida State
Constitution clearly says, "[a]ll natural persons, female and male
alike, are equal before the law, and have inalienable rights, among
which are the right to enjoy and defend life." Furthermore, Article
I, Section 2, states that no person shall be deprived of any right
because of "physical disability."

Further still, Article IV, Section 1, of the Florida State Constitution
emphatically says that "the supreme executive power" of the State
of Florida is vested in the "governor, who shall take care that the
laws be faithfully executed."

Neither is any chief executive bound by the opinions of the
judiciary. Thomas Jefferson said in 1819 that "[E]ach of the three
departments has equally the right to decide for itself what is its
duty under the constitution without regard to what the others may
have decided for themselves under a similar question."

President Andrew Jackson agreed with Jefferson. He once
observed that "[judicial] precedent is a dangerous source of
authority, and should not be regarded as deciding questions of
constitutional authority." Jackson also categorically stated that a
president (or governor) is bound by his oath of office to decide
matters of constitutional right and power according to the
executive's interpretation of the constitution, not according to the
judiciary's interpretation!

Consider also that Alexander Hamilton wrote in Federalist No. 78
that the exercise of judicial power is subject to the check and
balance of the executive branch, which, alone, has the power to
enforce a judicial order.

Thus, if a court order is contrary to the law of the inalienable right
to life, as the order in the Schiavo case surely is, then Governor
Bush has the vested authority to intervene and stop any action
pursuant to that court order. In other words, Jeb Bush could have
taken custody of Terri Schiavo and seen to it that her feeding tube
was not removed at anytime, all the political rambling and double-
speak notwithstanding!

However, instead of faithfully executing the laws of Florida, which
protect people such as Terri Schiavo, Jeb Bush decided to wash his
hands of the matter and turn Terri over to the will of the judiciary.
Shades of Pontius Pilate!

It should be clear to anyone willing to see that while Terri Schiavo
suffers what must be an agonizing death, Lady Liberty is also
dying. Her feeding tube, the feeding tube of constitutional
government and bedrock principle, has been removed, and she is
starving for want of the fundamental fluids that maintain her health
and vitality.

Oh! I'm sure readers will be pleased to know that the same State of
Florida that has given its blessing to the slow starvation death of
Terri Schiavo has just arrested a rancher in Immokalee, Florida, for
starving his cows. According to press reports, his remaining cows
were seized and fed by Domestic Animal Services. How
comforting!"

© Chuck Baldwin
http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/index.html
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Blessings on your head Stan and I hope you understand that as far as I can remember, everything I post on here can be documented. So it's not a "Political Party Bashing" time but rather a "Blowing the Trumpet of Warning" or "Danger, Danger, Danger" time.

With love through and in Christ.

Denise




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Oh Stan,

I forgot to tell you Thank you for being honest regarding your opinion of the second site you had read. I've always respected anyone who is honest and forthright as to what their opinion of something is, even if we disagree. So thank you very much for being who you are. And I do hope we continue our dialogue on these matters. There are many things we do agree on and these things are very important to both of us.

Your sister in Christ Jesus.

Denise
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Stan,

I tried to do what Jeremy instructed in order for me to be able to edit but I'm missing something and was unable so here is yet one more post to you--sorry about that.

Just wanted to add that the next few links will be primarily Politically free. They will center more on Christianity and Disability as their major topics although I'm sure there may be a political comment on any one of the sites that may come up, it will not dominate the topic at hand. So take heart, there's hope for me yet! :-)

Blessings to you.

Denise
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Bush Spending Record for Abortion Providers
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Here is the documentation that President Bush has been funding selected surgical abortions, chemical abortions, and Planned Parenthood (the nation's largest chain of child-murder-by-abortion centers) throughout his presidency:

1) President Bush is funding surgical abortions via Medicaid (Title XIX) in the HHS Appropriations bills: See bills below at http://thomas.loc.gov - Check out HR 3061 for FY 2002, signed by President Bush (PL 107-116) on Jan. 10, 2002 - Check out HR 2673 for FY 2004, signed by President Bush (PL 108-109) on Jan. 23, 2004

2) President Bush is funding chemical abortions via Medicaid (Title XIX) and the Title X birth/population control and Planned Parenthood funding program: See bills below at http://thomas.loc.gov - Check out HR 3061 for FY 2002, signed by President Bush (PL 107-116) on 1/10/2002 - Check out HR 2673 for FY 2004, signed by President Bush (PL 108-109) on 1/23/2004

3) President Bush is funding the nation's largest perpetrators of child-murder-by-abortion, Planned Parenthood (report murdering over 200,000 unborn children annually by surgical abortion alone), through both Medicaid (Title XIX) and Title X, with OVER $50 MILLION per year through each program: See bills below at http://thomas.loc.gov - Included in HR 3061 for FY 2002, signed by President Bush (PL 107-116) on 1/10/2002 - Included in HR 2673 for FY 2004, signed by President Bush (PL 108-109) on 1/23/2004

4) President Bush has INCREASED the Title X funding levels OVER $26,000,000 MORE THAN THE LAST CLINTON BUDGET: - The Title X funding level for FY 2001, the last Clinton-influenced budget, was a total of $254 MILLION, of which over $58 MILLION went to Planned Parenthood - In FY 2002, George W. Bush's first full budget year, the Title X birth/population control and Planned Parenthood funding authorization INCREASED OVER 11,000,000, to $265 MILLION (HR 3061 for FY 2002, signed by President Bush on 1/10/2002)

- In FY 2004, George W. Bush's most recently completed full budget year, the Title X birth/population control and Planned Parenthood funding authorization INCREASED EVEN MORE to $280 MILLION, OVER $26,000,000 ($26 MILLION) MORE THAN BILL CLINTON'S LAST BUDGET YEAR ! (HR 2673 for FY 2004, signed by President Bush on 1/23/2004)

The link is here as it was above but you either have to cut and paste the link in order to get the dollar sign and html ($.html) to take you there or I can just post the documentation here as I've done.
http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/bushabortion$.html


Riverfonz
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Denise,

I will grant you that President Bush is not perfect. But, how can you not sense his Christian commitment? Look at all the Judges he has appointed who are being filibustered by the democrats! These are all upstanding judges who oppose abortion on demand. Newsweek magazine, (look at their credibility after this flushing the Koran fiasco) ridiculed Bush for his Christian faith. They mentioned the fact that he always starts his day with reading that great devotional book, by Oswald Chambers, "My Utmost for His Highest". That is a great devotional book. Denise, that is why Joni Tada and I are supporters of this great President, because, this man is not afraid to take a stand for his faith--despite a hostile news media. I am looking forward to your response.

Stan

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