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| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 2118 Registered: 12-2003  |
Well, I'm finally going to begin adressing the Adventist/Christian "glossary" we discussed a few months ago. Actually, I want to introduce it in the next issue or Proclamation--I'm sure it won't be exhaustive, but I want to run at least a sampling of some of the more significant ways Adventists use "Christian" words that evangelicals understand one way, but Adventists mean in another way. I already have a doument with the words you all contributed a few months back, but I wanted to ask you again if you have any words that come to mind that mean one thing in Adventism and another to Christians. I'd love to have you post those you think of on this thread. I'll also work on preparing a more comprhensive list to post on this website; first, though, I'll compile one for Proclamation. I'm eager to see what you think of! Colleen | ||
| Tealeaves Registered user Username: Tealeaves Post Number: 233 Registered: 5-2004 |
maybe, being on the lighter side, this isn't quite right for your list.... But what about the term "haystacks" - I always thought it was something found on a farm, but heard it used as a term for taco salad in SDA circles. | ||
| Hrobinsonw Registered user Username: Hrobinsonw Post Number: 193 Registered: 7-2004 |
My wife is always talking about haystacks. What are they? And why is saying "Happy Sabbath" like saying "Merry Christmas?" Oh, and "Bible Study." 2 years after meeting my wife her mom tried to give me "Bible Study." I thought it was like your average Wednesday Night trip to church. Her meaning for "Bible Study" meant trying to brain wash me into believing SDA principles. | ||
| Freeatlast Registered user Username: Freeatlast Post Number: 389 Registered: 5-2002 |
Haystacks, aka Frito Boats, aka "Reform Nachos". Essentially a plate of vegetarian nachos... Take a bunch of corn chips and arrange them on a plate. Then pile on things like beans, lettuce, cheese, onions, guacamole, salsa, sour cream, etc. and dig in! If you add meat (even veggieburger), it would no longer qualifies as a genuine haystack. To be sure, these are a staple menu item in all SDA cafeterias. | ||
| Helovesme2 Registered user Username: Helovesme2 Post Number: 216 Registered: 8-2004 |
Or the 'healthy' version: Baked Cornchips, beans, lettuce, onions, tomatoes, olives, homemade 'ketchup', cashew cheeze, and/or soy 'mayonaise' seasoned like ranch dressing This can taste really delicious, by the way, if you have a good cook making it. | ||
| Bob Registered user Username: Bob Post Number: 307 Registered: 7-2000  |
Colleen: Do you have "conversion" on the list? SDAs often do not mean by it what other Christians mean. SDAs mean "to accept SDA beliefs and practices." Bob | ||
| Pw Registered user Username: Pw Post Number: 459 Registered: 6-2004 |
How about the famous "Sunday keeper"? Which means in SDA terms, one who ignores the true sabbath and will receive the mark of the beast while persecuting those who observe Saturday? Or is that too harsh? | ||
| Seekr777 Registered user Username: Seekr777 Post Number: 168 Registered: 1-2003  |
I'm sure that some may be tired of my comments in this area, BUT if we want to win others into a living vibrant relationship with Jesus Christ, with the power of the Holy Spirit such as many in the SDA church have not experienced we need to do it with love and not beating them over the head. Facts and figures are important but they DON'T win souls to the kingdom. Please I appeal to all of us here if you really care about those within the SDA church and not just about being RIGHT be carefull. Yes, I'm still a member of an SDA church and I make no apology for that fact because God has not yet called me to walk out the door and I must listen to Him. He has called me into a relationship with Him above all else, above denomination, above a "group", above everything. He has called me to listen to His voice and walk in the "Spirit" and abide in Him. My natural tendency, and those who know me will agree, is to speak "truth" and feel quite comfortable in my "rightful" understanding of it. I'm not speaking of SDA "truth" I'm talking about Richard's "TRUTH" which in many ways is very different from SDA "truth" We will never argue or reason someone into relationshop with Jesus Christ. They will be convinced by our life and example. How do we treat them, do we listen or just "tell", are we genuine in our relationship with them? When we pray for them, is it with the mind and heart of God Almighty or just in passing (doing our duty)? I'm not sure if anyone knows what I mean when I say to "pray in travail". When you are calling out to God with deep travail. This is what some of us/you are called to do for those within and without the SDA church who He is calling to be His children. I appeal to you . . . this goes way beyond documenting error and debating issues. Are we each sold out so completely to Jesus Christ that we don't even care if we appear right or vindicated in the eyes of others. What is our total focuss?? Jesus Christ ! ! ! ! Richard rtruitt@mac.com PS: Some of you know that things are not easy for me right now, thanks for the emails of encouragement about my family. My daughter was in "blackout" this past weekend so we did not get to visit. God is GOOD! ! | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 745 Registered: 10-2004  |
It was my understanding that this list is mainly for Evangelical Christians--so that they can know the difference in the definitions of terms, as used by SDAs, so that they will be not deceived by SDAs. (Deceived into the cult, or deceived into thinking the SDA is basically orthodox.) And, also, if it can help wake up some SDAs, too, that would be great. Hrobinsonw--And once a person is SDA, then "Bible Study" means EGW study, usually. Isn't it interesting that the traditional, classic SDA "haystack" includes cheese, something which is absolutely condemned and forbidden by their prophet Ellen G. White?! That is something I don't understand--is why do so many SDAs who won't eat meat, eat cheese, when EGW condemned both?? Same with baking powder/soda, cinnamon, spices, etc. They even have a lot of cheese at their potlucks usually, but NO meat! I think some people don't even know about all of the other foods she forbade. Jeremy (Message edited by jeremy on June 14, 2005) | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1854 Registered: 11-2002 |
Collee, don't forget to use the defination of "grace" that i submitted. At the time you said it was very good. Also, I sent you some snail mail to your pmb. | ||
| Patriar Registered user Username: Patriar Post Number: 25 Registered: 3-2005 |
Colleen: I wasn't on the forum before when you were discussing this, so I hope I'm not repeating anyone. The term "the church". SDAism exclusively vs. Christianity. The Judgment: I'm sure that's one you have. The Law: SDAs mean 10 commandments. Seekr777: I will be praying for you and your family. patriar | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 413 Registered: 3-2005 |
I think there was an article in Spectrum many years ago with some interesting stuff on exclusive terminology. Has anyone ever heard of a "dark county"--a county that has no SDA church. Stan | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 2119 Registered: 12-2003 |
Patriar, thanks for the submissions. Yes, Susan--I have your definition on the list. Yes, Jeremy, you're right; this list isn't for the sake of mocking or criticizing; it's simply an attempt to show other Christians that when they talk to Adventists, they frequently assume that they mean the same things when they talk about things like "conversion" (thanks, Bob!) and "the church", etc. The language itself sounds the same but means very different things. I know that when I was Adventist, terms such as "the church" always triggered little tremors of ambivalence or even condescension. If a non-SDA used the term, I knew to whom they referred, but I also had an internal "correcter" explaining to me what the truth REALLY was. My experience with non-SDA Christians since teaching at a Christian school and being part of an evangelical church has emphasized to me in ways I would never have imagined exactly how much disconnect there is in the minds of Christians when they talk with Adventists. They actually believe that Adventists mean certain things when they say certain words, and they are often shocked or disbelieving when I tell them what they REALLY mean. (And this semantics problem also works the other direction. Adventists often don't truly understand the standard Christian meanings of words, either. For example, many Adventists don't really understand "born again", etc.) This problem is one reason Christians can't really address Adventist's true concerns when they talk to each other. This glossary isn't meant to be inflammatory; it's meant to educate. Colleen | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 2120 Registered: 12-2003 |
Stan, thanks for "dark county". I hadn't thought of that one! Colleen | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 746 Registered: 10-2004 |
I just did a search for "dark county" and I came up with a result from the RevivalSermons.org forum from back in 2002. I remember someone mentioning the term "Philistines" on here before for this "glossary," but I don't know if I had ever actually heard or read that term being used by an SDA to mean non-SDAs--that is, until I read the following post on the RS forum! http://revivalsermons.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=136&p=50#50 Wow. Jeremy (Message edited by jeremy on June 14, 2005) | ||
| Pw Registered user Username: Pw Post Number: 461 Registered: 6-2004 |
I'm not surprised at the term "Philistines" being applied to non-SDA's. While they may try to say it's not meant to be a harsh term, I don't buy it. Any Christian will know that term applies to the Phillistines who came against Israel, especially the David and Goliath story. Therefore linking a Non-SDA Christian to a Phillistine is really ignorant. | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 408 Registered: 4-2000  |
NEW BIRTH = Mental assent (commitment) to SDA dogma. DAVENPORT = An Adventist financial scandal (not a sofa). ASSURANCE = Hope in being good enough to be saved someday. | ||
| Raven Registered user Username: Raven Post Number: 252 Registered: 7-2004  |
Righteousness by Faith = exercising enough faith to eventually be transformed into a perfect person who is literally as obedient to God as Jesus was on earth. This is related to the backwards process of salvation: Justification means our past sins and specifically confessed future sins are forgiven. Righteousness by Faith is a type of sanctification. If we reach perfection through sanctification, then we will be sealed to receive salvation at the second coming. | ||
| Melissa Registered user Username: Melissa Post Number: 923 Registered: 7-2003  |
Dennis, I think only those with a few years on them have even heard of a Davenport as a sofa...I remember my grandmother calling it that, but if I said it to my son, he wouldn't have a clue....  Richard, I don't understand what defining terms has to do with not being loving? What is unloving about protecting others from deception? I can't tell you what I would give for someone to have been honest with me about the SDA lingo because I made a lot of assumptions about the commonality of terms prior to getting involved with B. I had no idea that I had no clue what he was saying to me. I appreciate your compassion for SDAs, but is there compassion for those like me who will be negatively impacted by such deception? I sure would have liked to have known the truth about what I was dealing with when I first encountered adventism, and particularly the risk I was exposing my children to...I never would have dated someone who holds to a faith I could not share knowingly. I wouldn't have done it to my children. I spent six weeks questioning him, specifically telling him that I would not put my children in a position to care about someone who could never be a long term part of our lives. I said that over and over, yet he continued with his deception about the "similarity" of our faiths, never mentioning vegetarianism, EGW, remnant church, and the host of other doctrinal issues I now know are so important to an SDA, he never even mentioned he went to church on Saturday until after our second date. He intentionally hid the "controversial" things (for lack of a better term) until he had wormed his way into my life and that of my kids, and even then, he never volunteered anything until I specifically asked him a pointed question that he couldn't dance around with "correct" terminology. I see this list as a positive to help others not fall into intentional deception and avoid needless pain accordingly. It's not about being "right", it's about honesty and true communication. MY children did not deserve the pain his doublespeak brought to our lives, and I wouldn't wish it on anyone. I hope that doesn't sound too insensitive, but as protective of my family. I can't help those born into adventism, but I hope others ("non-SDAs", if you will) see adventism honestly and can make their own INFORMED choices about the conversations they have and any potential changes they may be considering for their lives, especially when it has the potential to affect children and families. Every standard contract defines all the terms up front so there is no confusion about the items being discussed. From my experience, adventism isn't voluntarily that forthcoming and a lot of people get hurt as a result. I don't understand why such honesty is a threat to any SDA, or why silence is a loving act to those who are ignorant of the differences. I do pray for you and your family and hope my comments aren't seen as adversarial. It's just a perspective from the other side... | ||
| Seekr777 Registered user Username: Seekr777 Post Number: 172 Registered: 1-2003 |
Melissa I agree with you completely and realize the "doublespeak" that is so often employed in conversations. It's not even intentional much of the time. SDA's often do not know or realize because they are not involved with others to see the double meaning. I know I did't realize how prevalent it was until I started worshiping and ministering in other churches. Rather than disagree with what was said I said, "Facts and figures are important but they DON'T win souls to the kingdom." I firmly believe that the facts don't save but it is the convicting power of the Holy Spirit. I was writing this more for myself than anyone else. I know I came from a background where we HAD the truth and were so proud of it. I never again want to take PRIDE in having the truth. I want to humbly say Lord give me more and teach me every day more of your presence and love. I never want to stop. I don't take what you said as adversarial. I wish I was better at explaining what is on my heart. My words are unable to express what i feel. God has opened up to me feelings and a freedom I never had in the past. Sorry if I misspoke in any way. your brother in Christ, richard rtruitt@mac.com |
