| Author | Message | ||
| Gmatt Registered user Username: Gmatt Post Number: 6 Registered: 3-2005 |
Can any of you tell me whether or not Ellen mentioned our trip to Heaven after the resurrection lasting seven days? If she did talk about this, I would appreciate some help finding a reference. Thanks! | ||
| Gmatt Registered user Username: Gmatt Post Number: 7 Registered: 3-2005 |
Oops! I didn't express myself very well. I'm not asking about a seven-day resurrection. I'm talking about the trip lasting seven days. | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 821 Registered: 10-2004  |
Yes, she did say that. Here is the quote:
Jeremy | ||
| Gmatt Registered user Username: Gmatt Post Number: 8 Registered: 3-2005 |
Thanks Jeremy! Now, one more thing. Was there ever any mention about a stop on another planet during that trip to observe the Sabbath? I don't know whether she wrote that or whether I just remember hearing it discussed as a possibility and my young ears heard it as gospel. | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 823 Registered: 10-2004 |
Gmatt, Apparently, that is commonly attributed to EGW because G.B. Starr (according to this website) said that EGW told it to him. The White Estate says this regarding it, under their section called "Testimonies Dependent Entirely Upon Memory":
Jeremy | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1683 Registered: 3-2004  |
Thanks Jeremy, You are such a sweetheart, with your help in finding EGW quotes. She contradicted herself so much, I do not want to add something that she did not say. I do remember, when I was in SDA school, something about spending 7 days on the trip to heaven and about the Sabbath. It was so long ago, I do not remember all of it. That is okay, as it is not important any more. Diana | ||
| Gmatt Registered user Username: Gmatt Post Number: 9 Registered: 3-2005 |
Thanks again, Jeremy! That is exactly the statement I had in mind. I actually remembered a picnic being mentioned but thought that sounded so far out that I didn't want to mention that part to you. Ha! At least I know I wasn't dreaming on that one. That would be some pretty old fruit salad by now, wouldn't it? | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 558 Registered: 7-2004 |
Maybe in those world their fruit isn't threatened by bacteria like ours is... Still, it would be a bit over-ripe | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 824 Registered: 10-2004 |
Well, according to EGW "those other worlds" are not infected with sin, therefore the fruit wouldn't rot, I guess. You still have to wonder how the "saints" could eat that much fruit in one day, though--hundreds of years worth of picking?? Heh. Jeremy (Message edited by jeremy on July 03, 2005) | ||
| Lydell Registered user Username: Lydell Post Number: 695 Registered: 7-2000 |
ummm......perfected tum-tums? | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1685 Registered: 3-2004 |
LOL, ROFL with your comment. Diana | ||
| Pw Registered user Username: Pw Post Number: 471 Registered: 6-2004 |
Where did this idea of a 7 day trip come from? If we are changed in a twinkling of an eye, are we not also able to travel at such speed as well? I hope this trip will include stopping at a Home Depot so I can get some metal polish for my crown to shine brighter according to her teaching. | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1870 Registered: 11-2002 |
I love frest fruit. So, by putting the White Estate statement against EGW's statement I would have to conclude the White Estate people are liars. I thought they claimed to be the only true followers of the 10 commandments. Did they leave out thou shalt not bear false wittness? And, I have a quote by EGW to share with you. It is from a small book titled Happiness Digest by EGW. It is excerpts from Disera Ages. On page 13 it says, " The impenitent sometimes excuse themselves by saying of professed Christians, 'I am as good as they are. They are no more self-denying, sober, or circumsent in their conduct than I am. They love pleasure and self-indulgence as well as I do.' Thus they make the faults of others an excuse for their own neglect of duty. But the sins and defects of others do not excuse anyone, for the Lord has not given us an erring human pattern. The spotless Son of God has been given as our example, and those who complain of the wrong course of professed Christians are the ones who should show better lives and nobler examples...." There you have it. Jesus is not proclaimed by EGW as our Saviour, the Forgiveness of our sins in whose blood and body were shed. He is our example! | ||
| Pw Registered user Username: Pw Post Number: 472 Registered: 6-2004 |
That's why SDA's really focus on trying to be on their best behavior with the ten commandments since they don't fully trust in salvation from the cross. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 2253 Registered: 12-2003  |
So true. | ||
| Pw Registered user Username: Pw Post Number: 473 Registered: 6-2004 |
Therefore when one fails to fully keep any of the ten commandments, that's when one feels unworthy and unable to continue to do so. Is it any wonder why many SDA's question whether or not they are truly saved? | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 2260 Registered: 12-2003 |
Exactly, Pw. "Keeping" the 10 Commandments just sets people up for failure. Colleen | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1696 Registered: 3-2004 |
That is why an SDA cannot admit when they are having problems in their lives. If they are having problems, it is their fault for not doing as Jesus did. WOW!! What an impossible task. We do not have to worry about that any more. Jesus paid the price and does not have to keep paying it over and over. It is done. He is truly AWESOME. Diana | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 508 Registered: 3-2005 |
There is an interesting discussion on Ellen White and Adventism on a Spectrum magazine discussion forum. The thread is introduced by David R. Larson (the pastor who performed our wedding ceremony in 1980), and he describes in detail a Sabbath School class taught by Richard Rice at the LLU church. This class, instead of studying the Bible, is studying a book by Ann Taves, a professor at the liberal Claremont school of Theology, on prophetic phenomenon in the 19th century. Apparently this author is sympathetic to Ellen White, and this so-called Sabbath School group is enjoying this book as they are trying to come to grips with what Ellen White means to them as liberal Adventists. David Larson then opens this discussion thread, and since they allowed guests, Greg and I posted some responses also. If anyone is interested, go to www.spectrummagazine.org/phpbb Stan | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1874 Registered: 11-2002 |
Yes, Stan, I know that often times the ministers of the SDA church do not focus their SS classes on the Bible. I have a young cousin who has recently become an ordained SDA minister and pastors a SDA church in the Southeran California area. I have been invited to attend his SS classes numerous times. So, I finily asked what topic they were studying in his class and I was told he was having his SS class do a weekly study on the book, Men Are from Venus and Women are From Mars. I have avoided his class and his church. Too bad too because out of all my relatives this family is tied for my favorite relatives. I just don't want to be in church and go through a book like that. In church I want the focus to be on greater ideals and truths. | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 582 Registered: 3-2005 |
Jeremy, I am sure you have seen this article, but this is an impressive study comparing the writings of EGW to Joseph Smith. I was amazed at the similar descriptions of their angel messengers or spirit guides. You do have to scroll down aways to find the good stuff. But here it is at www.gospeloutreach.net/EGW-JS1.html Stan | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 871 Registered: 10-2004 |
Stan, thanks for the link. I've seen that article before, but I've never read the entire thing. It is very interesting that they both had the same experience with "light" when their "messenger" talked to them. Very creepy, in fact. Also, it is interesting the way they both denied they were prophets and then both said they only meant they didn't CLAIM to be a prophet or claim that TITLE. If someone (especially an Evangelical Christian) says that EGW didn't claim to be a prophet, it might be helpful to show them the quotes from Joseph Smith! People don't say that he isn't a false prophet just because he sometimes would not claim to be a prophet. It looks like there certainly are some very interesting similarities between the two of them! Jeremy | ||
| Melissa Registered user Username: Melissa Post Number: 980 Registered: 7-2003  |
And Joseph Smith died in 1844, I think, so we know who said what first.... | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 2332 Registered: 12-2003 |
Exactly, Melissa...! Colleen | ||
| Dinolf Registered user Username: Dinolf Post Number: 7 Registered: 8-2005 |
In another thread I mentioned about Hans Nordnes a Norwegian/Swedish pastor who left SDA. He writes in a book how this story about a 7-day trip to heaven was told at sabbath school, early 1900 in northen Norway. The story tells that they stopped on sabbath resting on a planet. In that way even those who had not been able to practice sabbath on earth would have a occation to celebrate their first sabbath. This beacuse no one would enter heaven without having a sabbath experience. Interesting how this "hoax" could develop even before the time of Internet. Bless /D |
