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| Benevento Registered user Username: Benevento Post Number: 23 Registered: 4-2005 |
Somewhere on some website I saw in interesting article on how the sermon on the Mount really enlarges on the 10 Commandments--does anyone know what I am talking about--I can't seem to find it. Can someone help me? | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 567 Registered: 7-2004 |
We did a HUGE study on that, but it was on R/S. I do believe that this link should help carry you there. There are 17 or 18 pages to this, so you will need to read through a lot of material. http://www.revivalsermons.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=527&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15 I do hope this will help you find the material you are looking for. Belva | ||
| Benevento Registered user Username: Benevento Post Number: 24 Registered: 4-2005 |
Thanks Belvalew!! I'll go searching--. | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 569 Registered: 7-2004 |
Benevento, please forgive me, I'm not so certain there is a lot of information on that topic that has to do with Matt 5-7. However, if you scan forward or backward a little from this link http://www.revivalsermons.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=522&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=570 you should have a little better luck. | ||
| Benevento Registered user Username: Benevento Post Number: 25 Registered: 4-2005 |
Thanks Belvalew, I think what I am looking for is where the sermon on the mount was used to show that they replace the 10 commandments as a guide for living. I may be totally wrong but I thought that was what I saw. I don't seem to know how to start a thread, this one is riding "piggy back" on another one-- Thanks for your help. | ||
| Chris Registered user Username: Chris Post Number: 884 Registered: 7-2003  |
Benevento, you are probably referring to the latter part of Matthew chapter 5. I. Jesus presents the beatitudes in the first part of chapter 5 (vv. 1-12). II. In the middle of the chapter comes Jesus statements about believers being "salt and light" (vv. 13-16) III. Followed by His claim to be the fulfillment of the Law (vv. 17-20). IV. The final versus are probably the ones you are looking for. In versus 13-47 Jesus expounds on how the commands He gives are consistent with the spirit of the Law, but go far beyond anything contained in the letter of the Law. V. He ends with the astounding statement
The thrust of chapter 5 is that Jesus calls us to a standard that is beyond the Law and beyond anything that is humanly acheivable. Fortunately, at the end of the Sermon on the Mount (ch. 7) Jesus presents Himself as the gate to life (vv. 13-23) and the only foundation we can safely build on (vv. 24-29). We will never be as perfect as the Father. Fortunately Jesus is and it is His righteouness that has been credited to our account. Chris | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 2258 Registered: 12-2003  |
Yes, Chris, you're absolutely right about Jesus' intent with the Sermon on the Mount. He takes us beyond the law to its fulfillment in Himself--the One we serve and to whom we answer. In the next Proclamation there will be an article I find really fascinating by MacGregor Wright (who wrote before Christmas on the doctrine of doctrine). In this essay, which he calls "The Law As A Unity", he has developed an answer for an Adventist friend of his who has spent considerable time arguing the Sabbath and its permanence with him. Wright uses some interesting church history to show that the idea of the law being divided into ceremonial, civil, and moral "parts" is not implicit in the text but grew out of "holy tradition" in the early middle ages. Further, he shows from Scripture how Jesus was the "living Torah" who embodied all the law and morality in Himself and thus nailed the law to the cross in His body. Finally, he concludes with the thesis that the new covenant "law" is the ENTIRE text of the New Testament (covenant) as enlivened in us by the indwelling Holy Spirit. It is (to me, at least) a fascinating look at some "angles" on the subject I'd never thought of before. I find the idea that the actual New Testament in its entirety is the "new covenant 'law'" to be a helpful way to think of the issueógiven, of course, the FACT that none of the NT text would make a bit of difference without the resident Holy Spirit. He explains that the accusation that NC Christians are "antinomian" because they "throw out the law" is debunked in the New Testament itself as it is full of moral commands. Of course, your premise above, Chris, is The Truth about the whole idea: Christ is our authority in the New Covenant, and His Spirit in us is our only hope of transformation. The New Testament is only a written transcription of the reality that the Holy Spirit places in usóbut it is the "living book" that shows us the truth about Jesus and draws us into the regenerating relationship with Him that is the new birth. Colleen | ||
| Windmotion Registered user Username: Windmotion Post Number: 164 Registered: 6-2001  |
You can argue that the laws in the Bible can be divided into moral, ceremonial and civil using extra-Biblical definitions. But even doing that, I have never seen anyone explain why keeping the Sabbath is a moral law. Moral laws are laws that are recognized across (secular) people groups and generally involve values placed on people and by extension their property. Examples are do not steal and do not murder. Seen another way, the moral law would fall under the command to "love thy neighbor as thyself." The Sabbath does not fit into those definitions at all. Here's a thought. If it is moral to keep the Sabbath, do adventists say you are immoral when you break it? Immorally (in a Sabbath-breaking sort of way, Hannah | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 2263 Registered: 12-2003 |
Hannah, you make me laugh! You make an excellent point. Adventists argue that Sabbath is moral because it's in the Ten Commandments. In reality, though, as Dale Ratzlaff has pointed out well in some of his matieral, it IS ceremonial; it was a symbolic ceremony that was the sign of Israel's covenant with God. Colleen | ||
| Patriar Registered user Username: Patriar Post Number: 103 Registered: 3-2005 |
I found a website called Judaism 101 or something like that, in it, the 4th commandment is explicitly referred to as the only ritual law in the 10 commandments. I find it fascinating that even Jews themselves, to this day, do not consider the 4th commandment a moral law. Patria | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 507 Registered: 3-2005 |
Patria, That is an excellent point. The Jews know that the 4th commandment was and is exclusively for them. Stan | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 2266 Registered: 12-2003 |
That's a great piece of info, Patria! Of course it makes sense, but it's so wonderful to know that the Jews actually believe the Sabbath is ceremonial. I was taught in such a way that, even though it was never overtly stated, I believed we carried on the original Jewish understanding. Colleen | ||
| Seekr777 Registered user Username: Seekr777 Post Number: 192 Registered: 1-2003  |
Patria, the web address for the article on the Sabbath is http://www.jewfaq.org/shabbat.htm The quote is: "Shabbat is the most important ritual observance in Judaism. It is the only ritual observance instituted in the Ten Commandments. It is also the most important special day, even more important than Yom Kippur. This is clear from the fact that more aliyoth (opportunities for congregants to be called up to the Torah) are given on Shabbat than on any other day." Check the index on the site and you will find an awesome wealth of information. Richard rtruitt@mac.com | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 830 Registered: 10-2004  |
Thanks for the link, Richard. There's some very intersting information there, including the fact that a family might play checkers on Shabbat! EGW claims (falsely) that the Bible (OT Law) forbids all animal fat. The recipe for the Shabbat dish "cholent" includes "2 pounds of fatty meat"! Also, the things it says in the first paragraph sounds like a lot of SDAs--it's like they worship the Sabbath day, and they have sadly missed the Reality of the Sabbath Himself!  I also found this paragraph extremely interesting:
Adventists certainly try to paint a different picture than that! Jeremy (Message edited by jeremy on July 11, 2005) |
