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Flyinglady
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Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2005 - 12:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I was looking at the Review and Herald web site. The first thing I noticed was the notice of the "Clear Word for Kids" that is now for sale.
I really do not know what to say, except pray for all the children that will be reading this blasphemous book. It is by Jack Blanco, the same man who did the other Clear Word.
Pray and pray and pray for the children.
Diana
Cindy
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Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2005 - 2:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Diana, I hadn't heard of that new childrens' version, but I guess it doesn't surprise me that they've done that now...Just the title alone makes me sad. "The Clear Word" implies a "clearer" presentation of scripture...:-((

grace,
cindy
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Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2005 - 2:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

When my son was a little boy, I read him the Bible stories, straight from the Bible. I forget what version, but it was straight from the Bible and he understood everything I read to him. When I read the story of David and Bathsheba, he looked up and me and said, "Mom, the Bible is full of stories about humans." He knew what it was saying and so do other kids. They do not need a "clear" word.
Diana
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Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2005 - 8:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Wow! Diana that is scary! CLEAR WORD for kids by Jack Blanco. You might as well name it "Heresy for Kids".

Stan
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Posted on Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 1:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I wholeheartedly applaud your suggested title, Stan.

Dennis Fischer

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Posted on Monday, August 22, 2005 - 12:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"With reduced repetition, violence, and genealogies, The Clear Word for Kids is so easy to read that youíll have to force yourself to stop."

This is what the publishing company has to say about the book.

I guess God is too repetitive, violent, and detailed for His little ones. After all man knows so much better what kids should read than God does. (Tounge in cheek gagging)

Flyinglady
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Posted on Monday, August 22, 2005 - 5:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

As Stan has said, "Heresy for Kids". I agree wholeheartedly.
Diana
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Posted on Monday, August 22, 2005 - 9:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Amazing. They now edit the truth because it doesn't fit their preconceptions of what God MUST be like.

Colleen
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Posted on Monday, August 22, 2005 - 10:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I am apalled by the gross subtraction from the Word of God. Thanks, Violet for further amplifying what is an outrage.

Stan
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Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 8:33 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Isn't there a curse associated with that????!!!
Belvalew
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Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 10:42 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes there is. And I wouldn't want anything to do with any one/thing/organization that has anything to do with bringing down that curse!
Violet
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Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 12:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

With out all of the genologies the children will not be able to figure out that it did not take Noah 120 years to build the ark and that Ellen didn't know what she was talking about.
Melissa
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Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 3:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

How long does Ellen say it took?
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Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 3:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"A hundred and twenty years before the Flood, the Lord by a holy angel declared to Noah His purpose, and directed him to build an ark. While building the ark he was to preach that God would bring a flood of water upon the earth to destroy the wicked. Those who would believe the message, and would prepare for that event by repentance and reformation, should find pardon and be saved. Enoch had repeated to his children what God had shown him in regard to the Flood, and Methuselah and his sons, who lived to hear the preaching of Noah, assisted in building the ark." {PP 92.2}

I thought there was a 120 year reference in the Bible. Something along the lines of God saying "I will give mankind 120 years" when He gave Noah the ark blueprint.

Boy, just when you start to think it's all been processed out, BAM!


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Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 3:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Gen 5:32 says that Noah was 500 years old when he begat his first child. Assuming that he was 503 when he begat his third, that means that there could have been no more than 97 years of preparation because Gen 7:6 says Noah was 600 years old when the floodwaters were upon the earth.

Even if Shem, Ham, and Japeth were triplets, there could have been no more than 100 years pass between birth and the floodwaters being upon the earth.

Hmm...
Violet
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Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 4:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Also God told Noah that his sons wives would also be on board. So in my opinion they would of had to of been old enough to have wives.
Freeatlast
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Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 4:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I can't find a way in Scripture to get an exact age on Noah when building began.

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Anyone?
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Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 4:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just wondering if it says anywhere that the ark was started after his sons were born? Maybe it took X years to collect materials and then put the ark together. :-)

richard



Violet
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Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 7:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

In the research I have done the Bible does not say exactly when the building started. In Gen 6:13-21 God gives instructions to Noah. It is during this conversation that God makes a covenant with Noah. He tells Noah that the ones to go in the ark are Noah, his sons, his wife, and his son's wives. (plus the animals). I have also not been able to find anywhere that Noah preached during the building time, nor that anyone else had an opportunity to enter if they had chosen to do so.
Chris
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Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 9:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I guess it depends on how you interpret the following verse. Some think God is saying that people will no longer live to be any older than 120 y/o, but that can't be because we see in the geneologies in Gen. 11 (afer the flood) that people do indeed continue to live past 120 y/o. So it seems to me that from the time God decided to destroy mankind by flood, He gave them 120 years to repent.

Genesis 6:3 (HCSB)
3 And the Lord said, ìMy Spirit will not remain with mankind forever, because they are corrupt. Their days will be 120 years.î

Note that Peter says God patiently waited on the disobediant while the ark was being built.

1 Peter 3:20 (HCSB)
20 who in the past were disobedient, when God patiently waited in the days of Noah while an ark was being prepared; in it, a fewóthat is, eight peopleówere saved through water.

Also note that Noah evidently preached to the people of his time.

2 Peter 2:5 (HCSB)
5 and if He didnít spare the ancient world, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others, when He brought a flood on the world of the ungodly;

I think EGW might have got this one right......or copied from someone who did.

Chris

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