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Schasc
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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 - 3:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ok I am looking for some insight. One argument that I have heard alot in regards to Ellen's phrophesies not coming true is the example of Jonah. Here is a case of Jonah saying one thing about the future of Ninevah and then God changing His mind and saving the city. Ellen supporters say that there are times when that happens with Ellen's prophesies. For what ever reason God changed his mind and did not allow to occur what had been prophesised. Any thoughts? Is there a difference between Jonah's prediction and EG White's various predictions? If so what is it? Thanx for your input.
Riverfonz
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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 - 4:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Schasc,
This is a common argument that SDAs use to defend EGW. As it turns out, the JW's and Mormons use the same logic. Here is a link that answers this objection well. www.equip.org/free/CP1401.htm

Stan
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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 - 8:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Schasc, Jonah never accused God of hiding the truth. He "blamed" Him for the Ninevites repenting and making a "fool" out of him, but he never accused God of deception.

Ellen said God held His hand over the error in William Miller's mistaken calculations in order to let Miller's message prompt people to get ready for His coming. IOW, the end justified the means.

It's one thing to claim God gave her message after message (from advice on meat eating to masturbation not to mention ruining good people's reputation); it's yet another to accuse God of deliberate deception in order to cover up the fact that her supposed vision endorsing Miller was false.

No, Jonah may have been reluctant and even petulant, but He never accused God of deception in order to accomplish His personal goals.

Colleen
Taybie
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Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 7:44 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Amen, Colleen!
Schasc
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Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 8:12 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Colleen,

Can you tell me where she said that God held his hand over Millers message? I would like to look that up.........thanx
Brian3
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Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 9:27 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Early Writings, pp. 229-249

"I saw the people of God joyful in expectation, looking for their Lord. But God designed to prove them. His hand covered a mistake in the reckoning of the prophetic periods. Those who were looking for their Lord did not discover this mistake, and the most learned men who opposed the time also failed to see it. God designed that His people should meet with a disappointment. The time passed, and those who had looked with joyful expectation for their Saviour were sad and disheartened, while those who had not loved the appearing of Jesus, but embraced the message through fear, were pleased that He did not come at the time of expectation. Their profession had not affected the heart and purified the life. The passing of the time was well calculated to reveal such hearts. 236 They were the first to turn and ridicule the sorrowful, disappointed ones who really loved the appearing of their Saviour. I saw the wisdom of God in proving His people and giving them a searching test to discover those who would shrink and turn back in the hour of trial."

Pw
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Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 10:42 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

God gave Ninevah a chance to repent, and they did. This prophecy revolved around a choice, either repent and be spared or perish. They chose to repent.

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