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| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 763 Registered: 3-2005 |
Wow, Melissa! Thanks for sharing that. How terribly presumptious and arrogant to make those kind of statements about those people coming out of Wilkerson's meeting. Yes, this confirms even further my belief that he has a cult mentality. Jesus is not enough. You have to keep the Sabbath to stay saved. Stan | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 960 Registered: 10-2004  |
They may say things like, "We believe that there will be many non-Adventists in heaven--there will even be Catholics in heaven!" But what they mean is only those who have "lived up to the light they had" and die before the Sunday Law issue (when Sabbath/Sunday will be made "clear" to the whole world) AND have not "had the light" on the Sabbath/Remnant. But those listening to Doug teaching, for example, must join the SDA church and keep the Sabbath in order to go to heaven, because they have been exposed to the light on the Sabbath and the Remnant Church. The above IS Adventism. Anything more "congenial" (for lack of a better word) than that is not real, genuine Adventism. Jeremy (Message edited by Jeremy on September 08, 2005) | ||
| Pheeki Registered user Username: Pheeki Post Number: 634 Registered: 1-2003 |
Absolutely Jeremy. My husband actually told my kids (as we were touring a Bhuddist temple down the road from my house...if you can imagine...in rural Texas!) that these were really good and peaceful people and if you ever weren't a Christian they would be the people to be...and surely they would be in heaven because they are so peaceable and gentle. (or something of that nature, it was last March when he said it.) I couldn't let it pass and told them straight out that the only way to the Father was through Jesus Christ His Son. There is only one way to heaven and it isn't by being a gentle Bhudda believing vegetarian! My husband's sister has said similar things too. They refuse to believe seemingly "good" people will be lost. What did Jesus say? There is none good but God! Even the "good" are evil through and through. I don't get it. | ||
| Tisha Registered user Username: Tisha Post Number: 132 Registered: 3-2005 |
As a child I used to wish I hadn't heard the truth because then I could go to heaven. As it was, I did know the "truth" (SDA), and because I could never live up to it, I was doomed. I also wondered why we had to tell all those "heathen natives" about it, because then they wouldn't be saved either having been exposed to the truth! Why not let them "live up to the light they knew" and then be saved? Mostly I tried not to think about it! What a twisted "gospel" that is. Now that I know the real TRUTH, the SDA "truth" seems so burdensome and demonic. How sad I had to think like that as a child instead of being HAPPY knowing I was saved! tisha | ||
| Pheeki Registered user Username: Pheeki Post Number: 636 Registered: 1-2003 |
I was told by my mother-in-law that I had to be prepared to lay down the lives of my children for the Sabbath (in the end). I knew in my heart I couldn't do it. And resented God for asking such a thing. My niece made a startling statement a few weeks ago...there were a group of us former SDA's (all relatives of mine) she said, "We were all raised like terroists are raised. Knowing we would eventually have to die for the cause." She's right. | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 963 Registered: 10-2004 |
Yes, Tisha, there's something very wrong with their "gospel" if the preaching of it dooms people rather than saves them!!! And your experience as a child (and many others with similar experiences) is very good proof that SDAism is a not a Christian church, but is indeed a harmful cult! I wish more Christians could see that fact. Jeremy | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 2514 Registered: 12-2003  |
Melissa, thanks for sharing that quote. I'm impressed that you were able to find something from 1999 so easily. I need your organizational skills! I'm glad you shared it partly because it SO CLEARLY shows the underlying sheep-stealing mentality that believes no one but Adventists are true Christians and must therefore be proselytized.. Most of Christianity doesn't believe Adventists think that way--but they do. Praise God for Jesus and for removing the veil from our eyes! Colleen | ||
| Melissa Registered user Username: Melissa Post Number: 1051 Registered: 7-2003  |
Well, I confess, it was quite coincidental from my end. We just had to relocate our offices, and I found it when I was cleaning through some old stacks of papers. I didn't know who DB was when I copied the article, but now that I do, I re-read it again to see if it struck me the same way I remembered. I actually pulled it out to copy the quotes before I knew Stan had referenced that meeting. Makes me tend to think it was a "God-thing".  | ||
| Dt Registered user Username: Dt Post Number: 60 Registered: 4-2005 |
Tisha, When I was younger I had those exact same thoughts. I just wished my parents had never heard of SDA, then I could just live a good life without all of the restrictions, being totally different from everyone else etc. Hmmm, thinking still further, I still wish I had never heard of it. DT | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1911 Registered: 11-2002 |
I want to make this clear as mud to those reading this. SDA's do not believe that one must Keep The Sabbath to be right with God. They teach one must be SDA! SDA all the way. Go tell some devoted SDA, or even the not too devoted SDA's that you are a Seventh Day Baptist and generally the SDA will treet you with great contempt. Back years ago when I attended the SDB church every week I had a SDA lady ask me if I knew the truth of the Sabbath. This was before she knew I attended the SDB church. I told her I attended the SDB church each week. She looked me stright in the eye and said, "Well, you obiviousely know the truth of the Sabbath so now you need to give your whole self to the truth and become a Seventh-day Adventist." I thought I'd puke. Generally the SDA's I know think SDB's are headed stright to the lake of fire because the SDB's eat pork and being Baptists believe about the state of the dead as Baptists believe. I have not noticed that SDA's believe the Sabbath is the defining factor of the true church. The SDA's believe the SDA church is the defination of the true church. You can go to the Bible Sabbath Association's website and order a book of over 300 names, address and descriptions of Sabbath-keeping churches in North America. Then keep it out on your coffee table so your SDA kin see it when they come over. Then listen to the comments. I've done it. The SDA's do not see that the SDA Lutheran church that has a little congreation up in Minnisota is any more right than the Sunday-keeping Lutherans down the street. Take the challenge. Run some of these other Sabbath-keeping denominations past your SDA loved ones and listen to the comments you'll get from them. | ||
| Madelia Registered user Username: Madelia Post Number: 143 Registered: 2-2003 |
I just want to second what Susan2 said. When I asked my SDA soon-to-be-exhusband about the possibility of attending another church that meets on Saturday morning here in Mpls, his reaction was that the SDA church is the only true church. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 2527 Registered: 12-2003 |
Madelia, I'm sorry to hear about the upheaval you're facing. I pray that God will bring healing and peace and the joy of Himself to you and to your children. Colleen | ||
| Melissa Registered user Username: Melissa Post Number: 1055 Registered: 7-2003 |
Madelia, I got the same response from B and some in his family when I asked about a non-SDA Saturday church. Done the divorce thing...I pray for you and your family. | ||
| Madelia Registered user Username: Madelia Post Number: 144 Registered: 2-2003 |
Thanks Colleen and Melissa. There is, and has been, a lot of upheaval, but overall I feel that I need to go through this. I am so grateful to God for all the support from family and friends and co-workers. | ||
| Helovesme2 Registered user Username: Helovesme2 Post Number: 232 Registered: 8-2004 |
I'm thinking of you too Madelia. I'm going thru something similar right now. Would you be interested in comparing notes? I'll understand if you don't! Mary | ||
| Dd Registered user Username: Dd Post Number: 543 Registered: 7-2004 |
Madelia, I have had you on my mind the last few weeks! I have been wondering how everything has been going for you...I firmly believe these random thoughts are from God and I want you to know that you have been in my prayers. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1856 Registered: 3-2004  |
Madelia and Mary, I have put you on my prayer list. I am divorced also and thank God it is in the distant past. If I can help either of you, let me know. Diana | ||
| Helovesme2 Registered user Username: Helovesme2 Post Number: 234 Registered: 8-2004 |
Thank you very much Diana. I often think of you when I see another way that God is awesome! Mary | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1913 Registered: 11-2002 |
Another comment about SDA's and their devotion to "Sabbath-keeping". It seems more and more churches are adding a Saturday service as an option for their members. Where I live is a very large Nazarene church. It has a Saturday afternoon service. It is the same service that is offered on Sunday morning so because of work schedules, soccar practice for the kids, etc. the families have another option to make it to a weekly service at the church. Awhile back the minister of the SDA church realized that a lot of the SDA's would go to the SDA church in the A.M., then stay for the food and then in the afternoon attend the service up at the Naz. So, true to SDA form the local SDA church immediatelly started up a Saturday afternoon social for the folks. Also, awhile back a SDA relative asked me if when I'm traveling over the weekend if I go to church on Sabbath. I responded that I always try to find a church to attend. I was asked more questions and finily I said that a lot of Lutheran churches now offer a Saturday evening service so if I can locate one where I am at then that is where I attend. The response was quick and swift. I immediatelly found out that to go to a church on the Sabbath does not qualify as "keeping Sabbath" and a church that holds a weekly service on Sabbath does not make that church a "Sabbath-keeping church". I agreed. Then I was told that these are the last days and satan is fooling people into thinking they are in the truth by going to church on Sabbath but these poor loosers will find out the real scoop at the judgement. Oh, pleeze, "just stuff a sock in it" is what I was thinking. | ||
| Melissa Registered user Username: Melissa Post Number: 1063 Registered: 7-2003 |
I do not understand why the addition of saturday services by non-SDAs does not raise red flags that the SDA end times stuff is flawed. Why would people who go to church on Saturday suddenly make it illegal or worse, want to "kill" people who go to church on Saturday when they do it themselves? Just shoots all kinds of holes in their theology. |
