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Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 2601
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, September 24, 2005 - 12:19 am: |     |
Ha, Jeremy! You're absolutely right!
Colleen |
Weimarred
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Username: Weimarred
Post Number: 76
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, September 25, 2005 - 11:20 pm: | |
Jeremy, what an indictment of EGW! Those compiled quotes of hers are ghoulish.
Yet again we can see that the SDA church is about dogma, and not people!
Thanks for sharing it. |
Taybie
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Username: Taybie
Post Number: 67
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 28, 2005 - 12:52 pm: | |
Hey everyone...
Richard - no offense taken. I admit that being a black woman does often slant my views...but I take things to God and He always "straightens" them out.  I was just saying that the segregation of the SDA church between blacks and whites did not show the "big love" that Jesus referred to as the reason people would know that a group is of Him. I love you my brother and I truly understand how it is to mean one thing but by limitations of writing, sound as if I am saying something totally different. I ask for your forgiveness.
I, too was appalled when I came across the statements that (I think it was Jeremy that posted them) were degrading and above all, NOT like Christ in concerns of black people. I think that was the real beginnings of the end for me in the SDA church. I mean, if the church abandons only parts of Ellen's beliefs...why not question all of her statements? That is not what has happened. The 'politically incorrect' Ellen has been exchanged for a watered-down version. No, the church doesn't believe in segregation...but it has been that way for so long, that everyone seems to flourish among their own...that is what I was told by my former SDA pastor. (What junk!)
I do not remember who asked, but I am from St. Louis, MO. I went to a Revelation Seminar there and got the rest of my SDA experience here in Huntsville, Alabama. I think that any experience contrary to a segregated one is a rarity and your story shows that segregation works both ways. I am sorry you had that experience.
In St. Louis, we never mixed with the white or hispanic churches. When I look back on it, I realize how limited our 'love' really was. I am not judging anyone's personal view/love...just my church there as a whole.
I am now part of a multi-cultural church where love is quite evident. I don't experience the sadness of watching an aisle clear out because I have come to church or feel eyes burning holes in the back of my head because I am sitting with my good girlfriend (who happens to be white). I have never known such love and freedom in a church setting - NEVER and I believe that though they are not perfect, my new church family strives to give love as Jesus has commanded and displayed. They truly are about Jesus and people.
I so appreciate all of your views on this subject, as it has affected many lives...even many unawares.
He is BEAUTIFUL!
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Susan_2
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Username: Susan_2
Post Number: 1946
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 28, 2005 - 2:15 pm: | |
Deaer Taybie, Your statement about discarding part of EGW's writings and adhearing to part of her writings is the very thing that gets me irritated with the SDA denomination. Unlike the Bible in which all scripture is given by the inspitation of God for teaching and as a guidence for life, the SDA's in their 27 and the baptismal vows say EGW is to be taken as a guide for these last days. Then they go and hide a bunch of her wrinings in a vault in Washington, D.C. because they don't want anyone to know what she really wrote and taught and believed. My dad if he was alive would be 96 years old. He was raised SDA. I don't remember anymore what pamphlet or booklet or book it was of EGW's but my dad told me that when he was a young man every week at church the minister would tell the congreation if anyone had that particular item at home that they were supposed to bring it to church the next Sabbath and turn it in. Which my dads reponse was, "No way. I'm now going to keep it and read it and find out why they want it back." I think there must have been a lot of that kind of thinking back then and that is why like on this site and on Dirk's site we can read those really far-out things she wrote. But, the denomination keeps those out of circulation, hidden away in a locked vault. |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 2626
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 28, 2005 - 2:27 pm: | |
Shontay, thanks for sharing your experience with us. The unity of the Spirit is amazing and transcending. In Jesus we truly are family.
Colleen |
Marcell
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Username: Marcell
Post Number: 59
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, September 29, 2005 - 11:49 am: | |
Want to confirm what you said Taybe - LOVE IS THE MAIN THING!!!!! It's taken me so long to figure that out. Everything else MUST come after (and FROM) love. It matters not one tiny bit to me what 'churches' were doing back in the day, what Jesus has always been doing is about Love. Any 'prophet' who blasphemes what Jesus died for - and that certainly includes racial reconciliation - is a liar from the pit of hell.
(ok, let me tell you how I really feel. lol) |
Taybie
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Username: Taybie
Post Number: 69
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, September 29, 2005 - 2:41 pm: | |
Amen Marcell! LOL!!!! |
Susan_2
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Username: Susan_2
Post Number: 1954
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, September 29, 2005 - 3:38 pm: | |
Jeremy, I printed out your eight page of EGW/SDA writings in your paper you put the link to above. I am courious what dedicated EGW believers say when they are shown those writings? I have a suspicion that they dismiss those writings as being personal. My relatives tell me that EGW's personal corrospondence was not intended to be considered inspired but the books such as The Great Controversery, etc. are to be taken as inspired by God. But, even the The Great Contoversery is a lot of really farout stuff that is contrary to Bible teaching. Jeremy, your paper is quite an eye-opener. |
Melissa
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Username: Melissa
Post Number: 1085
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 8:19 am: | |
One time, I took a bunch of (in my opinion) ridiculous EGW quotes I had found on her web site (you know, the classics, eating between meal snacks causes disease and death...). Without putting a name on them, I gave them to B to explain. He asked, in a quite irritated tone, where I had gotten that "junk"...implied, but not spoken. I told him they were all EGW quotes, and my, how the table turned. The next time we spoke, he was defending those statements saying "science proves..." with all his best posturing. For example, I learned that if the stomach doesn't have time to rest between meals, it will "wear out" and "could" cause one to die. And eating snacks deprives it of it's appropriate "rest" time. It's the only thing I'm aware of in the body that wears out with use. I thought things got stronger when exercised! (that's humor, however slight) |
Pheeki
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Username: Pheeki
Post Number: 657
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 8:47 am: | |
I cannot understand why ANY black person would ever convert or remain SDA after they was Ellen talked about them in her writings.
Taybie...I attend a church where black, white and hispanic worship together and love each other and no one thinks one thing about what color each other are.
How refreshing! |
Jeremy
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Username: Jeremy
Post Number: 984
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 10:39 am: | |
Susan, they usually say that the quotes don't really mean what I'm trying to make them look like they mean, or that I'm "twisting them" (just quoting her statements!), or that you have to understand the time she lived in, or that they are "taken out of context"--stuff like that!
Some of the quotes were from letters she wrote, but you'll notice also that a lot of those quotes were from Testimonies for the Church, Spiritual Gifts, The Spirit of Prophecy, Early Writings, the Review, etc., which were definitely "supposed" to be inspired.
And she even claimed that her letters were inspired from God (except for the parts that only dealt with "common" [as opposed to "sacred"] topics).
Jeremy
(Message edited by Jeremy on September 30, 2005) |
Flyinglady
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Username: Flyinglady
Post Number: 1883
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Monday, October 03, 2005 - 10:06 am: | |
My sister, MLB, told me this past week, that when she was just a young girl, an SDA minister asked her if her reason for attending a white SDA church was to "catch" a white husband. We are of Mexican descent. At the time she was asked this she was a preteen. It is one of the things that has influenced her to stay away from God/religion/church. My Mom was also told she and the family should attend the Spanish church. Us children did not speak Spanish and our parents wanted us to speak good English.
So prejudice was there for any one different.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Diana |
Windmotion
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Username: Windmotion
Post Number: 209
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Monday, October 03, 2005 - 1:00 pm: | |
It's amazing how one tiny thing someone can say, good or bad, can influence the rest of a person's life. Really makes you think! On the positive side, I'm reminded of that song "Thank you" sung by hmmmm Ray Boltz? Where the guy gets to Heaven and he's thanked for all the little things he doesn't even remember doing. I've heard the songs at VBS dedications, even a funeral. It makes me emotional even though I know it's cheesy. The man is told he led a little child to Christ in his Sunday school class, even though he never knew, and his small donation to a missionary helped save other people. The song is worth hearing if you have never heard it before.
Inspirationally,
Hannah |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 2654
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Monday, October 03, 2005 - 3:29 pm: | |
Diana, That really is terrible. I'm so sorry--and praise God that we are completely one in Him!
Hannah, I like that song, too. Cheesy or not, it always makes me cry. I played it when I gave my last faculty devotional before leaving Arrowhead Christian Academy. I thanked everyone for their unique influences in my and my sons' lives, and I closed with that song. It was a memorable moment. I really loved those colleagues, and God distinctly put them in my life and the lives of our sons.
You're right--it's definitely worth hearing if you've never heard it before!
Colleen |
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