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| Lynne Registered user Username: Lynne Post Number: 107 Registered: 10-2005 |
Per a previous thread that mentioned some confusion over soul sleep. I wanted to post my thoughts on soul sleep. When the Holy Spirit came upon me fully, as a Gift, ever since, there has been no question in my mind and in my heart that there is a definate separation of Spirit and body. I no longer believe in soul sleep as taught by the advenist church. The Holy Spirit is divine and separate from me, but has been given to me as a Gift that now lives in me. The adventist holistic view of soul sleep doesn't separate the spirit from the flesh so the flesh and spirit are one. Thus you have a natural person that needs to adhere to laws because the spirit separately and apart from your body does not exist, the spirit is not divine. The spirit is not heavenly, it is earthly. It is of the natural person, the lion, the monkeys the animals, the slaves to the sinful nature. There is no freedom from the flesh. Soul Sleep = Natural Spirit (Animals, Human Flesh, Sin) Holy Spirit = Divine Spirit (Trinity - Not a Person or Animal or EGW) No matter how hard adventists try to please God with the law, without this separation, the spirit will be controlled by the flesh. Being born again according to adventist doctrine is being born again into the law (like, such as, and mostly "the Sabbath"). Ellen White says, "you should never say that you are saved". Why would Ellen White say this if it is contrary to the bible? Ephesians 2:8 - http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians%202:8&version=31; You cannot be saved living in the law and the flesh. The ministry of Ellen White is consistent with the Adventist doctrine, not the bible. Adventists live in the natural spirit controlled by the law, when possible, and in the flesh, together as one. When we are controlled by the divine Holy Spirit, Jesus, God, the Trinity, which lives in us. We will not want to sin because Christ lives in us. And breaking the Sabbath is NOT a sin. But the teachings of Ellen White, which are contrary to the Holy Spirit, likely makes her the one who committed that horrible unpardonable sin! Her fate? I can't know for sure, but I don't believe I will see her in heaven. Adventism teaches that we are born again (not saved) in Christ because of keeping what they think are the laws of Christ. If adventists must wait to be saved by the investigative judgment, they are NOT saved. Adventist doctrine realistically is unbiblical and in truth teaches hopelessness. 1 Timothy 2:3-4 says - God our Saviour .... wants all men to be SAVED and to come to the knowledge of the truth. Adventists are not SAVED and knowledge of the truth does not come from Ellen White, but the bible. Lynne | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 2998 Registered: 12-2003  |
Thanks for sharing your understanding, Lynne. It's continues to amaze me how similar the understandings are that God reveals to us individually as we study His word and submit to the Spirit. This fact is part of the evidence I refer to when random doubts cross my mind. Millions of Christ-followers separated by 2,000 years have all shared certain basic understandingsósuch as our spirits being separate from our mortal tents and brought to life by the Holy Spiritósimply as the result of studying Scripture and yielding to Jesus and His Spirit. He is amazing! Colleen | ||
| Jwd Registered user Username: Jwd Post Number: 159 Registered: 4-2005 |
Colleen, That is SO TRUE! While there are and will always remain small differences or perhaps even large differences in our individual convictions and understandings of Biblical truth - - still I am amazed at how a golden thread appears to have tied us all together. Perhaps like individual sticks in a bundle. Sticks NOT blockheads! LOL It's beautiful, is it not? Oh He IS SO AMAZING! Jess |
