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| Jorgfe Registered user Username: Jorgfe Post Number: 98 Registered: 11-2005 |
This is an interesting concept: http://www.carm.org/warning/warning.htm | ||
| Jwd Registered user Username: Jwd Post Number: 171 Registered: 4-2005  |
Our neighborhood is canvassed REGULARLY by both. Thank you for this site. JWD | ||
| Grwaitemd Registered user Username: Grwaitemd Post Number: 7 Registered: 1-2006 |
Dear Jorgfe: I agree. Inoculate people from the Seventh-day Adventist false doctrine. A false doctrine that teaches that we should base our doctrine on another source besides the Bible and the Bible only. A false doctrine that teaches that there is not one being who is the Most High God or the only True God. A false doctrine that teaches that Son of God's divinity did not come from his Father who is the only true God, but rather came from himself. A false doctrine that teaches that Jesus Christ was 100% God and therefore could not have died as he claimed and therefore he is a false witness and not the spotless lamb who died in our place. | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 905 Registered: 7-2004 |
Didn't we already have the "Son of God" discussion on here where it was determined that the original text could easily have been translated to say "one-of-a-kind" rather than "Son of God." Jesus, the agent of ALL creation, through the agency of the Holy Spirit (Mary was overshadowed by the Holy Spirit) became a unique, one-of-a-kind being, completely human while remaining completely God. When he died, he died a mortal death, but the God aspect of Jesus is said to have preached to souls in hell, or sheol, the grave, during the time that his mortal body lay in the tomb (Paul said this). You will notice, too, that though his body lay in the tomb for three days, it did not see corruption. Human bodies begin to decay almost immediately. I will agree that the eternal, Creator-God aspect of Jesus did not die, indeed could not die, still his mortal body saw death without corruption. That does not diminish the fact that He spilled his own God-blood as a ransom for fallen man. Jesus was never false, nor could he be false. His body while on earth was like unto Adam's body prior to the fall of the human race. Jesus triumphed over sin and temptation while inhabiting a body just like the one that Adam, as the father of our race, failed in. These points have already been thoroughly discussed on this site, and recently as well. Grwaitemd, I recommend that you do a little research on prior threads. Better still, using http://www.blueletterbible.org/ you might want to do some searches on the nature of Jesus. | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1026 Registered: 10-2004  |
Grwaitemd, Jesus IS 100% God. Otherwise His sacrifice meant nothing. If Jesus is not God, then it was nothing more than a created being and/or human that was sacrificed for my sins! That is not much different than a lamb or goat being sacrificed. It could not have taken away my sins! God can and did die--as a human being. Acts 20:28 says that it was God's blood which purchased the church. God became a human and died. That doesn't mean He ceased to exist, but He did die. Death simply means a separation of the soul and spirit from the body. Jesus did not cease to exist. In fact, the Bible makes it clear in many places that Jesus went to Hades while He was dead. Jeremy (Message edited by Jeremy on January 28, 2006) | ||
| Grwaitemd Registered user Username: Grwaitemd Post Number: 10 Registered: 1-2006 |
Dear Jeremy: If there was a part of him that did not die and went to Hades then he is a lier and worse than the Devil who is the father of lies. The Devil does not claim to be the son of God. If Jesus bore false witness then he was not a spotless lamb and our salvation is not assured. I absolutely believe Jesus when he said: "I am he that liveth, and was dead, and behold, I am alive for evermore". see Revelation 1:18. He also said: "These things say the true and faithful witness, the beginning of the creation of God". Jesus was the true and faithful witness - he could not lie. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 3293 Registered: 12-2003  |
Jeremy, it's awfully good to see you! Grwaitemd, I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Are you saying there is only one Person who is God, and that Jesus is not one Person of the true God? Are you suggesting that Jesus is not the eternal, almighty God? As Jeremy said, death is the separation of the body and the spirit; Jesus did experience death. He did say on the cross that He was committing His spirit to God when He died, and he told the thief He would be with him that day in Paradise. Colleen | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1027 Registered: 10-2004 |
Grwaitemd, So are you admitting that Ellen G. White is a false prophet, since she says that part of Him did not die?
I, on the other hand, never said that "part of Him" did not die--I don't believe that at all. Jesus Christ, the God-Man, died. But you have to define death the way the Bible does--and that is that it is a separation of the soul and spirit from the body. That is what physical death is. Is God lying when He says that we are "dead" in transgressions before we are born again, since we aren't non-existent? Are we not really dead spiritually if we are alive physically? On the same note, we can be alive spiritually (our spirit) even when dead physically--without anybody being a liar. Jeremy (Message edited by Jeremy on January 28, 2006) | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 1232 Registered: 3-2005 |
Grwaitemd, I would be interested in a thumbnail sketch of your background and story. I sure would like to know what background you are coming from. I know you brought up this question of Jesus not being God on another thread called "Holy Trinity". BTW, does the md at the end of your user name signify your profession? If so, did you graduate from LLU? Stan | ||
| Goldenbear Registered user Username: Goldenbear Post Number: 142 Registered: 12-2004 |
Grwaitemd, Honestly, have you been posting at R/S? There has been an ongoing debate over there about the Trinity and you seem to echo Walk's points. | ||
| Grwaitemd Registered user Username: Grwaitemd Post Number: 13 Registered: 1-2006 |
Jeremy: The source of the Son's divinity was his Father and his Father did not die. E.G. White also said that all that composed life slept in the grave when Jesus died. See 3SP 203. If his divinity wascomposed of life and intelligence, then it slept in the grave and died. It was Satan who suggested to Peter that if Jesus was the divine Son of God then he could not die. See E.G.White comments on (Matthew 16::23) See 3 SP 231. | ||
| Grwaitemd Registered user Username: Grwaitemd Post Number: 14 Registered: 1-2006 |
Dear Colleentinker: The new age teaching is that we are all born with a part of God and when we die there is a God part of us that does not die. If you believe that there was as a God part of Jesus Christ that did not die when he himself said that he did in fact die, then this is new age teaching (actually it is Satan's lie to Eve). | ||
| Jackob Registered user Username: Jackob Post Number: 82 Registered: 7-2005 |
Perhaps this is the proof that Mrs. Ellen White herself teached "new age" ideas When Christ was crucified, it was His human nature that died. Deity did not sink and die; that would have been impossible. Letter 280, Sept. 3, 1904, | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1032 Registered: 10-2004 |
Grwaitemd, if Christ was non-existent then how could He have "possessed the power to break the bonds of death"? EGW is obviously contradicting herself! But this all shows that the SDA "state of the dead" doctrine is very blasphemous. When it comes to the death of Jesus, an SDA has to either say that Jesus ceased to exist (denying His deity), or that He simply had a "divine spirit" inhabiting His human body (Gnosticism, and once again denying His deity). And Grwaitemd, it is not Satan's lie to believe that our spirit does not die when our body does! Jesus says, "everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die"! (John 11:26 NASB.) Once we are born again and our spirit is given eternal life (John 3), we will never be separated from Jesus. God's Word says that nothing, including physical death, can separate us from Him (Romans 8:38-39). Jeremy (Message edited by Jeremy on January 30, 2006) | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 3305 Registered: 12-2003 |
Amen, Jeremy. I am also struck that by arguing that if the new age teaches something it is, therefore, error, is a straw-man argument. For example, the new age teaches that when people die, their physical bodies go into the ground and decay. Using the above argument, this fact, then, is a lie. If New Age teaches it, it is wrong. What determines a teaching's truth or falsehood is the Bible, not who teaches it. The Bible clearly teaches that it is better by far to be absent from the body and present with the Lord (Phil 1:22-23). Further, it says that to be absent from the body is to be with the Lord, and that we make it our goal to please Him whether we are in the body or out of it (2 Corinthians 5). New age teaching about consciousness after death is faulty because it contradicts what the Bible says. It is not faulty because it is a new age "teaching". After all, wiccans and Mormons and ADventists and Christians and Hindus ALL teach that the sky is blue. The Bible alone is the definer of truth. Colleen |
