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Windmotion
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Username: Windmotion
Post Number: 247
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Monday, January 02, 2006 - 4:27 pm: |     |
The Eoin Giller story has been reposted on the ellenwhite.org Web site. I'm not sure what point Dirk is trying to make, and readers could assume he means something different than he actually intends. Here are some possiblities:
1. Adventists are weird.
2. Adventists are trying to surpress the Spirit.
3. Some Adventists want to be prophets because of EGW.
4. God is working within the Adventist church to reform it.
http://www.ellenwhite.org/news/n20051225.htm
Confusedly,
Hannah |
Seekr777
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Username: Seekr777
Post Number: 368
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, January 08, 2006 - 11:58 am: | |
Hannah, I haven't been able to be online here for a long time but just scrolled down this discussion on Eoin Giller and went to the LINK you posted above. I wonder how many went and read it completely.
At the very end there is a quote, "I am putting the Spirit and the Truth together in My Church. The Evangelicals with the Gospel are to join with the Charismatics in the Spirit. I seek worshippers who will worship Me in Spirit and in truth."
"Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks." John 4:23 and 24
I wonder if there are in truths that both traditions can learn from each other.
Richard |
Windmotion
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Username: Windmotion
Post Number: 252
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, January 08, 2006 - 11:44 pm: | |
I agree Richard there has to be a balance, but I don't think very many people, much less denominations, can be neatly put in one category or the other.
Broadly,
Hannah |
Timothy
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Username: Timothy
Post Number: 1
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 10:15 pm: | |
Eoin Giller is not with the SDA church at all, from what I understand. The title of "prophet" seems to have been misappropriated by someone else. I have heard a very good audio message by Dr Eoin Giller that is at this webpage http://dr-eoin-message.tripod.com/ first part of the message is this link http://dr-eoin-message.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles. Think that maybe this man is misunderstood and wrong conclusions are being made about him on the internet. |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 3389
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 11:54 pm: | |
Welcome, Timothy. We're glad you've joined us, and we look forward to hearing your story when you're ready to share it!
Colleen |
Flyinglady
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Username: Flyinglady
Post Number: 2303
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 5:52 pm: | |
Timothy,
Welcome to FAF. When you are ready, please share your journey with us.
Diana |
Bobwinfield
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Username: Bobwinfield
Post Number: 1
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 - 12:44 am: | |
Hello I found this website when I was doing a research on Eoin Giller. I have never been a seventh day adventist. About Eoin Giller, I do not believe that Benny Hinn is in anyways related to this man(other than he had been to a crusade and the story of his grand daughter having improved health as an occurance). Anyways here is a website with Eoin Giller that has audio stream messages. I hear him on the radio in New York and really enjoy his show. Eoin Giller is very intelligent and informative and a genuine Christian and many people call into his show. http://dreoin.tripod.com/ |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 3651
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 - 8:58 pm: | |
Welcome, Bobwinfield! We're glad you're here, and we look forward to hearing more from you.
Colleen |
Agapetos
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Username: Agapetos
Post Number: 68
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, June 04, 2006 - 1:05 am: | |
I checked out the webpages for Giller above. He was one of a handful that used to have their testimonies posted up at the old "sabbath.com" website. They were Former Adventists who left Adventism because they had met the Holy Spirit and now moved freely through different Charismatic churches, yet they still clung to the Sabbath. I'd first read Giller's testimony back in 2000, I think. Anyway, after reading some of Giller's new websites... well, let's say I'd hoped for a different turnout. 
Some people leave Adventism because of studying the Bible, and others leave because they've found the Holy Spirit. The thing is that the Holy Spirit is also the "Spirit of Truth", and He wants to lead us beyond His gifts.....to the Gospel. He does give gifts, sometimes very spectacular gifts. But at some point (and I don't know where), the Spirit confronts us and challenges us with the Gospel. If we don't let Him knock us off our feet with the Gospel, then what we receive from the Spirit eventually gets interpreted according to our non-gospel framework.
The result is that one can have visions or dreams, but if the vision is interpreted by the receiver not according to the Gospel, the resulting interpretation will nullify the "message from God". Does this make sense?
Even further, if we don't understand the Gospel (and particularly the New Covenat), then our spiritual sensors will be open to other voices, open to other suggestions and ideas that do not line up with the Gospel---but we won't be aware of it because we don't know the Gospel.
I have no doubt that God can and does work many wonderful things through many ministers who don't have a clear understanding of the Gospel. I believe He can work healing through Benny Hinn, etc., because Jesus said that demons would be cast out by people who possibly "don't know Him". This really throws a kink into our efforts to categorize who is "false" and who is "true"!
Might I suggest that we are approaching things the wrong way when we're trying to categorize ministers that way? I think Scripture says rather to "hold onto what is good" and discard what is bad. In the end, there will be no glory stolen---no one will have any illusions about Who was responsible for a good gift, about Who did the miracles. God will get His credit even if people or teachings seem to take it now. |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 4104
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, June 04, 2006 - 10:23 pm: | |
Ramone, you make an excellent point. I've often pondered that in Jesus' speaking of the final judgment the "goats" will say, "Did not we heal and cast out demons in Your name?" And Jesus will say, "I never knew you. Away from Me."
So yes, people can perform miracles in Jesus' name, but people's true qualifying condition is whether or not they KNOWóare intimate withóJesus.
I think you explained a really signficant distinction: those who leave Adventism (for example) for the sake of the Gosple, and those who leave for the sake of the Holy Spirit. Unless the gospelóthe cross of Christ and Jesus' finished work is the focus and the definition and the center of a person's life, everything elseóeven searching after the Holy Spiritócan lead a person astray.
The Holy Spirit's primary job is to reveal Christ. And spiritual gifts, which so many people equate with the Holy Spirit, are actually from the entire Trinity (1 Cor. 12:4-6). Without Jesus, without surrender to our adoptioin as the Father's children, without our being born again by the Holy Spirit, our focus on the Spirit will take us down a path that's more about ourselves than it is about anything else. Only in Christ are we changed and made righteous!
Colleen |
Seekr777
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Username: Seekr777
Post Number: 527
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 05, 2006 - 9:40 am: | |
Colleen and Agapetos, what you both said is very important.
"The thing is that the Holy Spirit is also the "Spirit of Truth", and He wants to lead us beyond His gifts.....to the Gospel. He does give gifts, sometimes very spectacular gifts" How true ! ! !
I've heard Eoin speak several times in person. The first was some years ago and I was deeply blessed. He came back this past year and seemed more "adventist" than he had the first time. I didn't attend all the sessions because of my unease.
There is a real danger in seeking the manifestations rather than the person of Christ Himself. I know people who are like an addict looking for their next fix. They are disappointed when they are not "slain in the spirit" or "trembling" etc. etc.
I'm not saying that God (Holy Spirit) does not at times manifest Himself in ways that we do not understand but that is not what we should seek first. We must seek the person of Christ and a deep and intimate relationship with Him.
I've had God manifest in me, in ways that were definitely outside the norm, BUT it has always left me with a deeper and more intimate relationship with Him. For some people that manifestation may be one tear as we are brought into a deeper realization of His great sacrifice for us on the Cross, for others it may be more spectacular.
My prayer has often been, Lord take me and use me in anyway you choose. If you need to take me out of my comfort zone then you have my permission.
Thanks again to both of you.
In His hands,
Richard
rtruitt@mac.com
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Bobwinfield
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Username: Bobwinfield
Post Number: 2
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Monday, June 26, 2006 - 7:49 pm: | |
Went to this webblog and listened to Colleeen Tinker on a radio Interview there. Wow Colleen makes some great points! Shes A Great Speaker!
http://www.sulekha.com/blogs/myblog.aspx?contributor=henry%20winhumpher
Anyone have any comments on what is discussed about Adventism there? |
Cw
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Username: Cw
Post Number: 100
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 5:09 pm: | |
Hi Timothy and Bobwinfield, I've never been an Adventist either. Whatever your reasons for joining us, we're glad to have you. I've learned more from these formers in the last few months than I ever knew about SDA. I consider them the last word in answer to my questions. CW |
