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Lynne
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Username: Lynne
Post Number: 229
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 12:45 pm: |     |
Title of the Book:
GOD'S WAY To Ultimate Health
A common sense guide for eliminating sickness through nutrition
The part that says nutrition, should say vegetarianism.
Sounds like the Seventh-day Adventist message. But no, the book is by a Baptist minister encouraging vegetarianism. The truth? Well it has made him and his family rich. There is much money to be made from it as you can see on their website http://www.hacres.com/diet/hallelujahday.asp
Not that there is anything necessarily wrong with getting rich or helping people detox their bodies through good nutrition, especially if one has cancer. But is a total vegetarian diet, the way and the truth and the life as it appears in this book?
I browsed the pages of the book. It is filled with testimonies, some from Adventists, claiming this wonderful vegetarian diet has cured everything from diabetes to cancer to arthritis and many, many physical ailments and emotional problems.
I see one testimony by a man who is 64 and he says he feels 34. But I wonder, he doesn't look 34, he looks 64.
The book, with ministers standing in front of their churches, speaking of Lester Roloff* (see his real testimony below), as the book says, A Preacher Ahead of His Time, speaking of the miracles of diet. I thought Ellen White was ahead of her time too.
I saw an old advertisement from around 1890 with a man selling tonic, it said, he was ahead of his time.
I turned to the Index of this book, God's Way, to see if there was any reference to Jesus. NONE.
I have had health problems for many years and I have been healed of some things regarding my health and I can tell you that if I were to write such a book. I would change the title to read:
GOD'S WAY To Ultimate Health
A common sense guide for eliminating sickenss through JESUS
However, I believe my book would be much bigger with many more testimonies! I'm not eliminating common sense. Read on.
And if Jesus wants me to eat healthy with food such as fruits, vegetables and whole grains, I don't believe chicken should be replaced by soybeans. If soybeans are good, I'll have it too.
Nothing is wrong with meat.
In my own testimony, I have arthritis and it has improved since I've started eating more meat this winter. Last winter I was in severe pain. Hmmmm. That isn't my only testimony on health. Am I going to praise meat for this? NO. JESUS.
Here is a recent list of some of the most dangerous foods and they don't say not to eat meat! Just watch the fatty meats, a glass of wine is fine, etc. The following is not included in the GOD's WAY book:
c2w%2C00.html?par=msn%7Cdiet%7Chyper&iv_cobrandRef=msndiet,http://health.ivillage.com/eating/0,,c2w,00.html?par=msn%7Cdiet%7Chyper&iv_cobrandRef=msndiet
*LESTER ROLOFF
Christian evangelist and natural health teacher Lester Roloff helped many people regain their health. He did it by encouraging them to use fresh vegetable juice as well as a moderate, predominantly plant-based diet that included moderate amounts of animal foods. I liked Roloff's health teachings when I first read them because he recognized the body's need for a balanced diet, and he ate and told people to eat some animal foods like eggs and cottage cheese in moderate amounts. Let's go directly to one of his two fine pamphlets on health, where he wrote:
"For meat, eat fish, fowl, wild game, avocado, egg yolks, nuts, cheese, and cottage cheese, sunflower seed, and a minimum of other meats. Drink a lot of juices, always unsweetened, forty-five minutes to an hour before the meal, or a couple of hours after the meal."
-- from Food, Fasting, and Faith
Good health, moderation and discipline may add years to your life here on earth, but only through Jesus can we find peace and life.
John 14:6 ... "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
No pun, no bias, just plain common sense.
References:
http://www.hacres.com/diet/hallelujahday.asp
http://www.ctlibrary.com/ct/1999/september6/9ta21b.html
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Jorgfe
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Post Number: 77
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 3:35 pm: | |
Something that affects many people who have arthritis are foods that are members of the "nightshade" family. That includes potato, tomato, tobacco, pepper. My wife is VERY sensative to nightshades. If she, for example, takes Vitamin C enriched food (which is usually produced from potato starch) she will tell it within a few hours.
There was an interesting situation where a farmer found that when he put his cattle in one field they had a significant problem with arthitis-like joint inflamation. When he put them in the other field they did just fine.
It's just a thought -- but definitely reality for my wife. Just cooking potatoes, tomatoes or pepper in the house causes a quick reaction in her joint pain. (That's unfortunate because the rest of our family loves potatoes and tomatoes.) Often times these types of pains are caused by the body's total alergic load being too much for the body to handle. Perhaps alergic might not be the best way to phrase it. People have sensativities to all kinds of things, and it seems like that increases with age. People with severe sensativity to petroleum products live in a world that is a nightmare. Usually the doctors will tell them it is all in their head.
For more information check out http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=potato+tomato+nightshade+arthritis&btnG=Google+Search
Gilbert Jorgensen
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Riverfonz
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Username: Riverfonz
Post Number: 1207
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 5:25 pm: | |
Lynne,
That Hallelujah Acres diet is pure quackery! Did you see all those commercials for products on that web site? The only person singing Hallelujah on this diet is the person who is singing hallelujah all the way to the bank making money on all those products. This is a very low form of hucksterism. He is taking advantage of some of the most vulnerable people who are sick, and who can least afford it.
There is another book in Christian bookstores called "The Maker's Diet" This book is more sensible as it does include all the great foods of the Bible including lean meats and fish, and even recognizes that Jesus set a good example in drinking wine. Also the Bible mentions a lot about olives and olive oil, as well as fruits and vegetables.
The Mediterranean diet that you find in other book stores is also very similar. I am convinced that meat has nothing to do with any of the bad diseases that I treat every day as a hospital based internist. I am convinced however, that refined sugar in all of its forms such as candy, sweets, white bread, refined flour, french fries etc. are truly the real culprits, and that is why we are seeing an epidemic of obesity starting in kids and inevitably ending in Diabetes and heart disease. I highly recommend the Mediterranean diet, and it's close relative the "South Beach Diet". Many cases of Diabetes can be treated effectively just by eliminating all refined sugar, and avoiding an excess of sweet fruit juices. This is also true of arthritis. So many degenerative diseases are caused by sugar--not meat!
Stan |
Pheeki
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Post Number: 736
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 23, 2006 - 8:06 am: | |
I agree. It's already digested (refined) before it ever gets to us...it's intestinal sludge! I am also convinced trans fat has killed us off for decades now...and did you know, even if the box says zero transfat...read the label because if it says hydrogenated soy bean oil (or any other oil) than it truly isn't. Apparently the government (with their high standards) allows a small percentage of trans fat in the product but the company is allowed to mislead that there is ZERO. So a little can add up to a lot, especially if you think you aren't eating any. Very dishonest. |
Dane
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Post Number: 116
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Monday, January 23, 2006 - 3:28 pm: | |
Wow! I've got to weigh in on this. My beloved MIL spent most of her life concentrating on health. She was involved in numerous network companies selling herbs, tonics, etc. I'm sure she intially became involved due to the SDA emphaisis on health. Even though she rejected SDA years ago, she continued to place the pursuit of health as #1. To me it was obvious that health was her god. (side note: she developed lung cancer at age 83. We introduced her to Proclaimation and before she died she found the assurance of salvation in Jesus).
One of the many things that alarms me about our current culture is the zealous pursuit of healthand youth. Now, I think that we need to take care of our bodies. We should be moderate in what we eat, drink, etc. But modern Americans have made an idol of the pursuit of health.
I'm greatly concerned that even many Evangelicals have fallen for this. In our circle of acquaintances we find quite a few that are falling for the quack "alternative health" concepts.
I've spent years researching many companies that sell "health products" and have found that most of them promote bogus products. In fact, every single one of the more than 2 dozen companies that my MIL was involved with put forward false claims for products. It's interesting that many of these companies are somehow connected to the Mormons, or New Age groups.
We, as Christians need to have an eternal perspective. This earth-bound life is but a moment compared to eternity. Again, I'm not saying that good health is not important, but we need to maintain balance.
I'm convinced that this idolatrous focus on health stems from the introduction of Eastern thought into the American mainstream.
Dane |
Seekr777
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Post Number: 378
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 23, 2006 - 7:52 pm: | |
Dane, this is said somewhat "tongue in cheek" but what do you see the balance between?? "Is the balance betwen poor health and good health?" 
Richard
rtruitt@mac.com
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Seekr777
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Post Number: 379
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 23, 2006 - 8:16 pm: | |
Read this today in the LA Times, it deals with the issue of Soy products.
Enjoy ! ! !
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/ats-ap_health13jan23,1,3342714.story?coll=sns-ap-tophealth
Heart Association Derides Soy Claims
By JAMIE STENGLE
Associated Press Writer
4:20 PM PST, January 23, 2006
DALLAS ó Veggie burgers and tofu might not be so great at warding off heart disease after all. An American Heart Association committee reviewed a decade of studies on soy's benefits and came up with results that are now casting doubt on the health claim that soy-based foods and supplements significantly lower cholesterol.
The findings could lead the Food and Drug Administration to re-evaluate rules that currently allow companies to tout a cholestorol-lowering benefit on the labels of soy-based food.
The panel also found that neither soy nor the soy component isoflavone reduced symptoms of menopause, such as "hot flashes," and that isoflavones don't help prevent breast, uterine or prostate cancer. Results were mixed on whether soy prevented postmenopausal bone loss.
Based on its findings, the committee said it would not recommend using isoflavone supplements in food or pills. It concluded that soy-containing foods and supplements did not significantly lower cholesterol, and it said so in a statement recently published in the journal Circulation.
Nutrition experts say soy-based foods still are good because they often are eaten in place of less healthy fare like burgers and hot dogs. But they don't have as much direct benefit as had been hoped on cholesterol, one of the top risk factors for heart disease.
"We don't want to lull people into a false sense of security that by eating soy they can solve the problem (with cholesterol)," said Dr. Michael Crawford, chief of clinical cardiology at University of California San Francisco Medical Center.
"If they are radically altering their diet where they're only eating soy in the hopes that this is going to bring their cholesterol down, they're deluding themselves," said Crawford, who was not on the panel that issued the new statement.
The FDA in 1999 started allowing manufacturers to claim that soy products might cut the risk of heart disease after studies showed at least 25 grams of soy protein a day lowered cholesterol. A year later, the Heart Association recommended soy be included in a diet low in saturated fat and cholesterol.
But as more research emerged, the Heart Association decided to revisit the issue. The committee members reviewed 22 studies and found that large amounts of dietary soy protein only reduced LDL, or "bad" cholesterol, about 3 percent and had no effect on HDL, or "good" cholesterol, or on blood pressure.
They did a separate analysis of isoflavones. The review of 19 studies suggested that soy isoflavones also had no effect on lowering LDL cholesterol or other lipid risk factors.
"Soy proteins and isoflavones don't have any major health benefits other than soy protein products are generally good foods," said Dr. Frank Sacks, a professor of nutrition at the Harvard School of Public Health in Boston who led the committee. "They're good to replace other foods that are high in cholesterol."
Still, the Heart Association statement notes that soy products like tofu, soy butter, soy nuts and some soy burgers should be heart-healthy because they contain a lot of polyunsaturated fats, fiber, vitamins and minerals and are low in saturated fat.
"Soy isn't a magic bullet, but it can be a valuable contributor to a heart-healthy diet," said Jo Ann Carson, a professor of clinical nutrition at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center at Dallas who was not part of the panel.
It's important not to think about foods in black-and-white terms, said Dr. Michael Lim, director of the cardiac catheterization lab at Saint Louis University School of Medicine.
"There's no quick fix," he said. "Our bad cholesterol numbers would certainly get worse if instead of eating tofu burgers we went out and had hamburgers each night of the week."
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On the Net:
American Heart Association: http://www.americanheart.org
If you want other stories on this topic, search the Archives at latimes.com/archives.
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Riverfonz
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Post Number: 1214
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Monday, January 23, 2006 - 8:39 pm: | |
Thanks Richard for that thought provoking article! There is so much in medical science that we really don't know. And, there has been so much manipulation of scientific data by the drug companies who do the studies.
Following the Biblical diet, that is a mediterranean, olive oil based diet, with fresh fruits and vegetables, all kinds of fish, lean meats, all kinds of nuts, and moderate amounts of red wine, but avoiding refined sugars is the Biblical recipe for health--also called the Makers' diet. It is hard to improve on Jesus' example. But SDAs will claim that Ellen had greater light than Jesus. Since Jesus ate meat and drank wine, how could someone come along 2000 years later and say 'now we have better light on this topic and we are now saying that Jesus was wrong'?
Stan
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Jeremiah
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Post Number: 27
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 1:53 pm: | |
Pardon the off topic message...
I remember visiting a Jorgensen family in Utah, back when I was in violin making school a few years ago. I went to the Provo SDA church alot and played my violin. I remember it well because this was a relative of Bob Jorgensen who I know quite well from my time at Hartland institute. I'm really wondering if I've met you before, Gilbert?
Jeremiah |
Conniegodenick
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Post Number: 33
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, March 11, 2006 - 4:12 pm: | |
I'm reading this post a little bit later but I wondered if any of you have read the book The China Study? It's written by T. Colin Campbell, PHD and is truly one of if not THE most comprehensive book on nutrition ever written. Dr. Campbell started off with the bias of defending eating animal protein but his research has completely convinced him o/w. Don't take my word for it; read the book for yourself. Although I certainly don't buy Ellen White's erroneous claims that eating meat lends to self-abuse I DO think there is good scientific evidence to support a vegetarian diet. However, not the Apple A Day style that most Adventists espouse. I recently read that the Loma Linda market area sells more cheese than anywhere else in the country! Adventists are making up for the meat deficit by buying cheese! As Dr. Campbell points out in his book, it's ANY animal protein (especially including dairy products) that can have deleterious effects.
Just my thoughts.............
Connie Godenick |
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