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| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 800 Registered: 7-2004 |
Have any of you, particularly in and around the area surrounding Loma Linda, ever heard of Dr. Hershel Hughes. Evidently he is giving warnings in SDA churches based on dreams he is having. I found a very fascinating post quoting him that was part of the R/S thread discussing The Great Controversy. Here is the link: http://www.revivalsermons.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=818&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=90 It appears that Dr. Hughes is laying out for the SDAs those doctrines that are anti-biblical. His words have stirred up quite a bit of discussion over at R/S. They are insensed that someone would speak out against soul-sleep in a SDA church, among other things. I think it is wonderful that someone is hitting the high points of deception that have ruled Adventism for so long and calling into question the questionable. Belva | ||
| Lynne Registered user Username: Lynne Post Number: 142 Registered: 10-2005 |
All I can say to Dr. Herschel Hughes is "Amen"!!!!! And we can thank the Lord for bringing light to yet another Adventist being released from this deceptive church. The adventists scare me. They hold that same cultic message, just more elaborately so, that the Branch Davidians have. Well, we know where the Davidians came from. The whole cultic core and end time parania is just so sad. My heart is especially so sad for the children  We must pray for them. | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 1100 Registered: 3-2005 |
Belva, Thanks for the link, but I won't put any credence in it's validity. If someone can come up with actual evidence that he spoke in the Loma Linda church, then I would be willing to investigate this further. The communication sounds fishy, and if he claims to have gotten this message by a vision from God, instead of directly from scripture, then it has no meaning in my opinion. Stan | ||
| Dd Registered user Username: Dd Post Number: 603 Registered: 7-2004 |
Here is the supposed words of Dr. Herschel Hughes: MESSAGE (supposedly) FROM GOD TO THE SDA CHURCH I am the Lord thy God and those of you from the Seventh-day Adventist Church are dearly loved by me, but you are a stiff-necked, prideful people, who have provoked my wrath. For I have sent to you many messengers of truth. But you have stubbornly refused to respond to their testimony and you are arrogantly continuing to defy my will. The end is near, so I give you this final warning. You must return to your Christian roots and abandon the false teaching that it is my will that you should observe and make the Jewish Sabbath the focus of end-time events and an issue of salvation. This is WRONG, for the Sabbath was part of the old covenant I made exclusively for the Jews and as Gentiles it is not yours to claim. But I have given all people (Jews and Gentiles alike) who believe and follow me, a new covenant, which is the inheritance of eternal life, freely given, by my blood and by my grace, through faith, and which also includes the guidance and empowerment of my Spirit but includes no allowance for any legalisms from the old Jewish covenant. My JEWS celebrate my creation but my Christians celebrate my blood. You must also abandon the false teaching that you call the investigative judgment, as it denies the completed redemption of my cross; it denies my grace and without my grace, there is no salvation. You must reject your false views about death as I am the Creator of life and the immortality of the soul and at the moment of death, I call home to be with me, all the souls of my true believers. You must embrace my truth regarding the indwelling work of my Holy Spirit which begins at the moment you are born again and you are sealed by Me. You have scorned my rapture throughout your entire brief existence as a church and thus you have chosen not to be included in it. You have altered my truths regarding this Earth's final events, so that your people will not be prepared for my coming and you deceive my Christians with your heretical Sunday laws and mark of the beast deceptions. You teach contempt and condemnation toward my Jews and you claim to have replaced them and call yourselves spiritual Israel. Such thinking led to the tortuous murder of millions of my chosen people; for they will be restored and they, not you, will do my work during the tribulation. There is a judgment of fire for all people who have demeaned my Jews. You have even altered my truth of eternal damnation. I will no longer tolerate these and other of your heresies. You are not my remnant church, or my chosen people; and most of you are not even part of the body of Christ. I want to anoint and empower this church, DO NOT REMAIN A CULT. You must reject these untruths and become a genuine Christian church now; the Adventist Christian Church. You have the potential of becoming a mighty force for my cause, but you have chosen to follow a false prophet who is leading you to your own demise. Harken my words before it is too late. REPENT! REPENT! REPENT! And follow only me, and I will abundantly bless you; otherwise I will ultimately focus my wrath against this church and its people. | ||
| Lynne Registered user Username: Lynne Post Number: 143 Registered: 10-2005 |
I read it again after dinner and my interpretation came out different than Amen. If I were in the adventist church listening to this guy I would have really thought this guy lost it and I probably would have been afraid of him. Perhaps as Stan said, there was is no validity in the original thread. | ||
| Derrell Registered user Username: Derrell Post Number: 136 Registered: 10-2002 |
I'm afraid I would walk out on him. As Stan said, he is basing his entire argument on a "vision from God." He purports to be speaking with God's voice, and there is no Biblical reference at all. Furthermore, his speech is filled with common anti-Adventist phrasiology, but without any substance whatsoever. | ||
| Anotherseeker Registered user Username: Anotherseeker Post Number: 21 Registered: 8-2005 |
So is someone going to check it out then? You disbelieve because of no Biblical reference? Well actually he did refer to Galatians 5. What would be his motive for doing this especially if he still moves in Adventist circles and seems to even attend the church? Please get the evidence. I do believe myself but i too may do some research | ||
| Helovesme2 Registered user Username: Helovesme2 Post Number: 366 Registered: 8-2004  |
Not saying he doesn't have a point, but he gets this from a vision?? That in itself would leave me very cautious. Does that mean that what he has to say has NO merit? Not necessarily, just that it definitely must be tested! | ||
| Esther Registered user Username: Esther Post Number: 270 Registered: 5-2004 |
Without doing any research I'll have to remain skeptical at this point, although having someone say this from an SDA pulpit is an interesting concept  What makes the 'vision' doubtful to me are several references made: 1)"the Jewish Sabbath". Since this isn't what the Sabbath is ever refered to in the Bible, I wonder at the term. Hey it would've been nice, wouldn't we all have had an easier time<sigh>. 2)The paragraph about death? Again, "immortality of the soul" just seems like such an Adventist term. 3)"Do not remain a cult". Well? I'm not sure what to say about that, but it just seems odd for God to be saying it like that... Anyway, true or not, maybe it will make people stop and think. Also, the very end of the 'message' (follow only Me) was very nice and appropriate. If only I'd known to do that sooner! Blessings | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 802 Registered: 7-2004 |
It is true that there are no biblical references anywhere in Dr. Herschel's "revelation," but I find it very interesting that he has hit all of the high points of the SDA heresies and given the reasons that make those doctrines heresies. I was flabberghasted when I read the whole thing through. The Sabbath is the sign between Isreal and God, Christians do depend upon the blood of Christ. Believers are called home to Heaven upon their deaths ... The most telling is Dr. Herschel's comments about Investigative Judgment because that is an extremely dangerous doctrine and we all know that it robs the believers in it of the comfort of knowing that they are securely held in the hands of Jesus. My most torturous moments have been when I wrestled with that damnable doctrine, and it is wonderful to know that Jesus has forgotten my sins and clothed me in His Righteousness. It is funny, but I was hoping when I read Dr. Herschel's "dream," that God had given him the "revelation," because their dependence upon EGW and her visions and dreams would make them more open to further dreams than to Biblical facts. After all, they have been willing to turn a blind eye to the scriptures on the high points touched by Dr. Herschel for their entire history. I have a couple of Adventist friends that I might be able to contact about this and see what they know. It is touchy to talk to them about these sorts of things, but who knows. It is also possible that this man has been rousted out of the church for being a quack, too. | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 803 Registered: 7-2004 |
We have a new promoter on R/S. His name is Walks_In_The_Light. Read his posts on this page: http://www.revivalsermons.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=841&start=45 | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 2110 Registered: 3-2004  |
Belva, I just had to go to R/S to see what WITL said and you are correct. He did suggest to go to FAF to discuss EGW. I was hoping he had seen the light, but he has not, yet. Diana | ||
| Esther Registered user Username: Esther Post Number: 271 Registered: 5-2004 |
Whoever 'Christian' is he carried on valiantly over the weekend. If you're experiencing doubt all it takes is a good discussion between a Scripturally well-grounded Christian and a SDA apologetist: Round and round and round, evade, evade, accuse, accuse...oh, you left. Well, see everyone we have to be right. No one can answer from scripture. Sigh... | ||
| Melissa Registered user Username: Melissa Post Number: 1224 Registered: 7-2003  |
I was somewhat curious why it was "better" to go to paraphrases than understand "plain" scripture. And why is it when SDAs are challenged about EGW's vegetarian requirements, they jump to pork? I've heard the same arguments from B. They act as if they preach a "clean" meats diet, but they really teach vegetarianism. There is absolutely no biblical support for that. And I continue to find amazement that they would rather discredit Paul, John and Christ's words than to admit EGW was teaching non-biblically. Who can doubt who their real authority is? I can't remember who made the comment (I'm paraphrasing) that circumcision was not a salvational issue, but it was a health one, so that made it a dime away from salvation. What I took that to mean between the lines is that health IS a salvation issue. And most of those people seem pretty bent that the only way to understand scripture is through EGWs/Adventists eyes. As long as anyone questions adventism or what the pioneers taught, they cannot possibly be a Christian. It is quite interesting to peak on the inside of conversations about "me" when they really have not a clue. I thought their comments about evangelical calvinist heresies quite over the top. Makes me think unChristian thoughts, so it's in my best interest "not" to be a lurker over there. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 3086 Registered: 12-2003  |
Melissa, I relate to your reactions! Richard had a particularly frustrating conversation with some conservative Adventist family members over the weekend. The show-stopping comments came when one person said that, at Richard's suggestion, he had launched on a quest to see what the Bible actually said about the law. (Richard had challenged him to find out if the Bible separated the 10 Commandments from the rest of the law.) Well, this person said he stopped his study because the compilers of Strong's concordance (that would be Strong Himself!) was corrupted because he interpreted the words for Law in the OT as all one, cohesive law. This relative said he can't use the concordance for study anymore because it's wrong, and he knows the truth is that the 10 Commandments are separate from the ceremonial law. End of study. BIG Sigh.... Colleen | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 805 Registered: 7-2004 |
I've enjoyed reading Christian's steadfast support of Bible truth, and the responses he is getting from the SDA posters are exactly the same as those we got earlier this year. They have a canned spiel, but don't even recognize it as such. I know how that happens because I went to the same schools they have attended, I was programmed to respond as they respond, and I was taught that we had a better understanding of what scripture had to say than anyone else who would dare to claim to be Christian. The SDA's are trapped in a prison of their own making and they don't even know that they are incarcerated. Guibox appears to be a bit more aware than the others but she has an agenda to defend EGW at all costs, so she can be blindsided too. The scriptures were canonized many hundreds of years ago, and a correct understanding of what they say will look the same now as it did a thousand years ago. As for Dr. Hughes' "revelation," it is too bad that he did not reference his points as he layed them out. His truths come from scripture. I particularly appreciate that he corrected Adventists on the issue of being "spiritual Isreal." I've had to sit through untold sermons about the Adventists being spiritual Isreal, and about them being Laodecia, all in the name of heaping more guilt on shoulders burdened down with the need to confess the unconfessable. I'm not so sure that Dr. Hughes got his information from dreams, or he finally opened his eyes to what the scriptures were saying as he was preparing a sermon or a lesson plan. One thing, though, I do believe. His censure will soon lead to excommunication if he keeps pressing forward with his "Message From God." I also find it interesting that there are folks in the Adventist church who are seemingly willing to give Ford another chance... | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 1111 Registered: 3-2005 |
But church administration will NOT give Ford another chance. See the "So sad..." thread posted yesterday. Stan | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 1112 Registered: 3-2005 |
Here is a website with pictures of Herschel Hughes and his wife. He apparently designed the covers for the "Conflict of the Ages" series. You can listen to him deliver the audio message of his vision at www.amessagefromgodtothesdachurch.com Stan | ||
| Helovesme2 Registered user Username: Helovesme2 Post Number: 370 Registered: 8-2004 |
I note that various people from 'Revival Sermons' are remarking that people from here are reading their discussion. How how would they know that? Apparently they are following things here! Praying that God will use all the discussion both here and there to draw those who are seeking to Himself! Blessings, Mary | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 809 Registered: 7-2004 |
The people at R/S may be able to keep us from posting directly on their site, but they cannot keep us from expressing our opinions here. I'm with you, Mary; I fervently pray that we can express our feelings about the current climate within Adventism to the extent that it causes creative thought about the questionable doctrines and actions of their denomination. In particular I would like to see them have a second look at Dr. Ford's Glacier View documents regarding righteousness by faith. I know so many friends and family members within their church that work so hard to be good, yet live lives of quiet despair because they sense that they can never be good enough to live up to God's righteousness (which is true!), but as you know, they need only acknowledge that Jesus is the one, true source of salvation and to trust wholely upon Him. I saw a statement on another thread here that is a real thought provoker, and that is that while they continue to press forward that the Sabbath is the seal of God they are denying the Holy Spirit, which is to grieve the Holy Spirit, thus committing the unpardonable sin. Satan doesn't care how much misery he spreads around, he only cares that he keeps us distracted and following after false hope. The Sabbath as a salvation issue is a false hope! Belva |
