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| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 1255 Registered: 3-2005 |
It is just amazing how lately every time I turn on the radio, how I hear something that is relevant to this discussion. Last night a caller to a talk radio program asked Craig Hawkins,(a former substitute host of the Bible answer man for Walter Martin) said she left SDA for Mormonism, because she felt SDA was false and Mormonism was true! How is that for a twist. Basically Hawkins equated both as examples of false Christianity. Then, this afternoon, I was listening to Calvary Chapel's nationwide version of the Bible answer man, and Chuck Smith was hosting the show. A lady called in and said her daughter used to be involved with spiritsm, but now has become an SDA. You could hear Smith groan in the background "oh boy" when she was talking. She related how she could not tell the difference between JW's and SDAs. Chuck Smith then went on to tell the story of how Mark Martin left SDA and became a Calvary Chapel pastor, as God opened his spiritual eyes to what grace was all about.And he recommended Martin's tapes on SDA to this lady. Then Chuck's co-host Brian Broderson brought up the fact that more than ever SDAs are pushing this heretical idea of a Sunday law, and the mark of the beast (blah blah blah). He pointed out something interesting about a book called "Sunday Law", and it is pushing this old lie about Sunday worship being devil worship. Has anyone heard of this book "Sunday Law", and who authors it? I hadn't heard of it before. But it looks like more and more, there is evidence that some evangelicals are starting to see what SDA really is--just another false gospel. Stan | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 916 Registered: 7-2004 |
Stan, about 25 years ago I was given a small book by that name. It was a paperback, but for the life of me I cannot recall the author. It was full of doom and gloom and paranoia, as one would expect an SDA book about a Sunday law to be. The book did exist, and may still be around. I think it may have been published by Southern Publishing. I'm sorry I can't give you any more information. Needless to say I no longer have it because it went the way of all my Adventist books. | ||
| Dane Registered user Username: Dane Post Number: 122 Registered: 4-2004 |
I have a copy of the "Sunday Law" book somewhere in my stacks. If I remember right Jan Marcussen was the author. I'll try to dig it out. Dane | ||
| Melissa Registered user Username: Melissa Post Number: 1263 Registered: 7-2003  |
Right, Dane. But it was called "National Sunday Law" ... I also have a paper back copy. B had a whole box of them. http://www.seventh-day.org/Read_NSL.htm | ||
| Lindylou Registered user Username: Lindylou Post Number: 123 Registered: 1-2005  |
Ah... the National Sunday Law book by Jan Marcussen. What memories that brings back to me. In 1987, I remember spending several months taking these books by the wagonload (along with a tasty loaf of bread) around many a neighborhood. As I look back on that - I think, "What rot!"  3 years ago, my daughter's 8th grade SDA teacher used the book for Bible class. Got the kids all stirred up about the "end times". It is amazing how this little book has been around so long proclaiming the soon coming of a national sunday law. Makes me shudder to think of my part in putting it out there! Ugh! | ||
| Lynne Registered user Username: Lynne Post Number: 246 Registered: 10-2005 |
You know, the Adventists really put a lot of printed material everywhere. I occasionally go to thrift stores checking out books and I always see Adventist books. I now often buy them and throw them in the trash. Last night I saw the Spanish version of "The Sunday Law" in a local thrift store. There was so much Pacific Press stuff on the shelf, I didn't want to spend $50 yesterday to throw it away. The store had those well bound nice looking Desire of Ages books, Maxwell Bible Story Books. I've seen Adventist Seminar bible books, Adventist concordances... I challenge some of you to go to your local thrift stores on a carefree Saturday afternoon and buy all that nonsense and throw it in the trash! Those of you in big cities will likely find these books on the shelves next to the Watchtower and Left Behind books. The money isn't going to the church, but the charity, so look at it like a donation. Although, I won't do it at the Mormon thrift store. However, those of you in and around Loma Linda would probably go broke doing this. Not that I'm bitter, it is just what the church wants, to scatter their junk all over. To think people are looking at this stuff, even buying it, and see nothing on it that says Seventh-day Adventist. They don't know. Lynne | ||
| Melissa Registered user Username: Melissa Post Number: 1267 Registered: 7-2003 |
And don't forget your own church libraries. I found EGW books in my church library several years ago. I brought them to the attention of the librarian, and they are no longer there. | ||
| Melissa Registered user Username: Melissa Post Number: 1268 Registered: 7-2003 |
The R/S site mentioned a number of proofs of a prophet and the site I posted above has a link to the same number of proofs, so I thought I'd read through them. Fascinatingly, where she fails, they have no commentary on how she has "achieved" that test, but on most of them they think she is right on "proof". here is a comment I found particularly fascinating. Those who have grown up in adventism know this, but I was surprised to see it in black/white (actually black and green if you look at it on their site). "This test, Number 11 plainly states that God's true messengers on this earth will be teaching victory over sin, and that Jesus' perfect life is not our substitute, but our example! Very important: Christ was our substitute only on Calvary. His perfect life is our example!" If that isn't teaching perfectionism, I don't know how much more plainly it needs to be said. | ||
| Windmotion Registered user Username: Windmotion Post Number: 266 Registered: 6-2001  |
I think we still somewhere have a copy of this Sunday Law book. I remember it because a promotional statement about itself on its cover made me angry. It was something like "Read about what may be the most important decision you will ever make." I was like, so it "may be" a more important decision than salvation? I think not! Decisively, Hannah | ||
| Snowboardingmom Registered user Username: Snowboardingmom Post Number: 23 Registered: 11-2005 |
I know exactly what book this is. When I was trying to convince my non-denominational friend 7 years ago about the "Adventist truth" (back when I was trying to recruit others into the remnant), he began to read everything about SDAs that he could find (because he didn't know that much about SDAism). Well apparently, one day, he was waiting in the waiting room at LLU Medical center, and saw this book "Sunday Law" and picked it up. The first paragraph talked about the National Sunday law, and how the Pope was ultimately going to be the one to bring it about (or something like that, it was a long time ago). My friend and I had never gotten to that part of my beliefs, so this came as a complete shock to him. I remember him bringing the book to me, reading the first paragraph, and saying, "Do you actually believe this?!" That's a very vivid memory for me. It was the first time I had actually heard someone basically tell me that my theology was ridiculous. And it was one of the first, of many more times to come, that I was actually embarassed about my beliefs. Up until that point, I had an arrogance that I thought any reasonable person would choose to believe "our truth" if only they knew. When I used to think about how quietly arrogant I was, it gives me the chills. I'm glad that I've been humbled . | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 3315 Registered: 12-2003  |
I know how you feel, Snowboardingmom! I remember the day we decided we had to tell our neighbors with whom we were having weekly Bible studies that we "had a prophet". We would offer ideas about what we thought a passage meant, and they would look at us and say, "Where do you find that in the Bible?" There was no way to explain our analyses without referring to Ellen. Oh, my goodness, that was embarassing! They were astonished, to say the least... Colleen | ||
| Anotherseeker Registered user Username: Anotherseeker Post Number: 34 Registered: 8-2005 |
Colleen! Your "We Have A Prophet" made me chuckle...thanks | ||
| Pheeki Registered user Username: Pheeki Post Number: 744 Registered: 1-2003 |
I actually felt sorry for "other" Christians because they had no idea what really happened to the dead and didn't have the Sabbath blessing. I got into a discussion with a co-worker once about her bible studies and I tried to give her an EGW book (thought it would get me points in heaven and teach her the "truth") and she gave it back to me and was like..."Thanks." Obviously she thought it was trash. She didn't even want to discuss it. The thing was...I wasn't trying to witness to the unsaved...I was smugly trying to improve the already saved. I look back and thank the Lord He delivered me from my pride and predjudice! | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 2260 Registered: 3-2004  |
I used to feel so guilty as an SDA when I could not share with others "the truth". Thank God, He did not let me. Thank you God. You are so AWESOME. Diana | ||
| 91steps Registered user Username: 91steps Post Number: 36 Registered: 8-2005 |
My wife and I were discussing the Sunday Law nonsense today. We both feel that there is NO WAY that it will come to play as the SDA's claim. I told her it is a boogey man tale to scare people, no more. Think about it, no Sunday football or NASCAR, etc, etc. Never happen. | ||
| Cy Registered user Username: Cy Post Number: 43 Registered: 1-2005 |
91steps, I got quite a chuckle out of that point. Americans would not / could not give up their Sunday sports! :-) Cy |
