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| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1047 Registered: 10-2004  |
Here is the It Is Written advertisement that Susan and Colleen talked about awhile back. I scanned it in from the back of a Pacific Union Recorder and I had been wanting to post a link to it for quite awhile. CLICK HERE to see it. It is very blasphemous. Notice how very prominent Moses is, and then Jesus is hidden off in a dark corner! In fact, Moses is in front of Jesus! Then Ellen is right in the center, and all the SDA and It Is Written leaders take up most of the picture! The main focus of the "light from heaven" is on pointing out Ellen. And notice that the light is not even coming from the (erroneously Aaronicly) priestly Jesus, it's coming from behind Him, from the ark of the covenant!!! Also, the CROSS is simply totally missing! It's just an absolutely amazing picture--but it's just typical Adventism, I suppose. Jeremy (Message edited by Jeremy on February 03, 2006) | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 2135 Registered: 11-2002 |
Yeah, Jeremy, that's the ad that I took to Office Max and made several copies of to send to Colleen. I remember when I picked up the Review from a relatives table to page threw it. When I got to that ad I was truly dumdstruck. I studied and studied it, almost getting a mental fixation on it. I tried as hard as I could to try to make Jesus be the King, the Almighty in the ad and I just couldn't get Him to come out #1 in praise and honor in the ad. BTW, that must be a good ad for the SDA's because I have sence seen it in other SDA publications other than the Review. The ad seems to indicate that Jesus for sure does not hold center stage for SDA's nor is He their main focus. That ad really is self-explanatory about priorities within Adventism. | ||
| Lynne Registered user Username: Lynne Post Number: 262 Registered: 10-2005 |
Jeremy, That same exact picture, with the priestly Jesus, with the ark of the covenant is in a book I have. The book is 1959 "Your Bible and You" by Arthur Maxwell on page 126. It is the same exact picture on top, with people in church looking up at it. I wish I could scan it to post, but it is a book that has a copyright, so I don't think I can scan it. As I thumbed that same book, pages 160 and 161 say this: Baptism by immersion is the symbol of death to sin, burial of the sinful body and resurection to the new life in Christ. This envisions an entire change IN A MAN'S ACTIVITIES. That is the Seventh-day Adventist version of baptism. As I went to pages 350 and 351, it shows a large picture of the 10 Commandments with special enphasis on IV and surrounding it to the side and below is a crowd looking up and it. And towards the back of the crowd is Jesus pointing to the picture of the 10 Commandments. What a trick! Turn to IV, and Jesus will stand back in the crowd as you take your law. Live in the law and Jesus is over there, back there. Only Satan could think this one up. On one website I viewed earlier, it said most churches that are cults don't have crosses on the outside. If that becomes a very well known fact in the world, the SDA Church will have to put crosses on the churches, just to trick people. Just as they must adhere to the trinity not to be suspected as a cult. For now though, I haven't seen crosses on the outside of any local SDA churches around where I live. As I wrote in another post, a website by the Presbyterians says about Seventh-Day Adventism: On the surface this aggressive cult can sound very biblical to one that is not well-grounded in Scriptures or not well-informed. They skillfuly combine Biblical truth mixed with error and falsehood which can lead people astray as do many cults (or false religions). | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 2138 Registered: 11-2002 |
Back around 20 years ago a new SDA church was built in Bakersfield (The home of Buck Owens and Meryl Haggard.). The church has a huge cross at the top of a tall steeple. At the time many SDA's switched to the other SDA church that refused to have a cross. Over in California more and more SDA churches have crosses on them although I have not seen a cross displayed inside a SDA church. | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1048 Registered: 10-2004 |
I thought of something else wrong with that picture in the ad. Notice how the priestly Jesus is not even in the center of the heavenly picture! He is off to the side of the ark of the covenant, which has to be in the center with all it's light-producing glory!! Lynne, that Ten Commandments picture sounds sickening. I think I may have seen it before. They are obviously presenting the Ten Commandments as GOD, with Jesus even proclaiming the same thing! But guess what? That blasphemous picture came straight from EGW. Look at this quote:
It sounds like it would be an endless circle! But I guess EGW meant that Christ just sends you back to the Law, and that's where you're supposed to stay. What blasphemy. Jeremy | ||
| Javagirl Registered user Username: Javagirl Post Number: 144 Registered: 6-2005 |
At my SDA church... new pastor, Ellen quotes back in services, Cross is down, (I used to enjoy gazing at it, much like the one when you first get to FAF always speaks to me), a very large star replaces the cross. Conference is happy. What's with the star anyway? | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1049 Registered: 10-2004 |
I guess they want to proclaim that they are a religion other than Christianity... Some SDA churches have the 3 angels symbol instead of the Cross. They are their own religion--with the symbol of a star? Maybe it's supposed to represent Ellen... I was taught growing up that "we" didn't have the Cross or steeples on our churches, because that was too "Catholic"! They consider the Cross, the symbol of Christianity, to be a "Catholic" symbol! It's awful. Jeremy (Message edited by Jeremy on February 04, 2006) | ||
| Lynne Registered user Username: Lynne Post Number: 263 Registered: 10-2005 |
Jeremy - A picture describing her writing. So now I see it. As I went into the church, I read the NT, I found light in Christ. As I was baptized, I was being lead away from Christ. Because the SDA teaches Christ points to the law, and the law is to live inside you - not Christ, not the Holy Spirit as the bible says. Yes blasphemy and satanic. The 10 Commandments, especially the fourth (the one everyone else forgot), is of utmost importance. This true church has this light. Other Christians don't keep the law. Fear other Christians, they will persecute you, they have the Mark of the Beast, that is if you believe the End Time, is anytime, today, a few days, a year, likely now... Well heck, I can really relate to unbelievers much better! An elaborate scheme used by Satan to turn people from Christ, from genuine Christianity, from other Christians who really do have the truth. The SDAs are not in any way up front about this to outsiders, it is all twisted into a puzzle to confuse. But it is there, as we see in the pictures and writing. In the beginning of my journey into the church, I thought the law and Christ worked side by side - that was a lie. I thought, as I was taught, that most other Christians worshipped on Sunday because they kept Sunday as the Sabbath. But they are simple and have gone so far away from the truth, they just go to church, they speak of Christ, but their actions don't show their love for Him and His laws. If they were more sincere, they would keep Sunday holy as Adventists do.... Then when they have that much sense, to keep their Sabbath, an SDA might have a chance to teach them which day is the true Sabbath. Susan - There was a cross inside the SDA church I attended. Not in the main Sanctuary, and it caused a lot of upset in the church. It is an older church with a lot of history. As I think some of the older churches, in middle and lower class neighborhoods are a bit more restrictive and cultic than the newer and wealthier communities. There is more openness to progress in those areas. But they still can't completely shake the cultishness of it, because Adventism just is what it is. I did a search on google yesterday to see what you meant about the rock group black sabbath. And under the paid advertisements on the right, popped up "The Davidian SDAs Present Message to Seventh-day Adventists." I tried the search again today and it didn't pop up. The DSDAs must be growing and getting wealthier. Unfortunatley, as you read their stuff, their message certainly makes more sense in the following of their prophetess, Ellen White than do the Seventh-day Adventists. I ran across another interesting paid advertisement. I think these guys are the folks who still follow Armstrong. As they are Sabbathkeepers, they wrote on the following web page - It is titled "Are we Jehovah Witnesses or Seventh-day Adventists" in case anyone is interested: http://www.realtruth.org/articles/0306-awjwosa.html?gclid=CLjCirfI_4ICFURBDgodIxM-Vw Lynne | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1051 Registered: 10-2004 |
Yeah, if they said, "We take you away from Jesus Christ and take you to the Law" what Christian would want to join? And yet that is what their prophet says! Jeremy | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 1292 Registered: 3-2005 |
Lynne, Unfortunately when the WWCG leaders who had their spiritual eyes opened as documented in the video mentioned on another thread, and they renounced Sabbatarianism and Armstrongism--well this caused a major church split. Many decided to still follow Legalism as their god, and as a result the actual WWCG that is evangelical is relatively small--someone can correct me if I am wrong. But that link you posted above shows the Restored Church of God is the same old heresy. Salvation by works, legalism in any form is the preferred religion of the natural man. This is the religion that started with Cain, resurfaced at the Tower of Babel (the start of the false Babylonian system that continued to manifest itself through history), and has showed up in so many other forms. Look at how soon the Galatian heresy took root. Despite the apostles warning against that heresy, the history of the early church fathers and Roman Catholicism has shown the very same thing. Thankfully, God worked sovereignly in history to bring about the Reformation through great men of God such as Luther and Calvin, who restored the true doctrines of grace. Romans 11:5 "There is a remnant chosen by grace, for if by works, grace would no longer be grace." The great final eschatological issue that separates the true church from the false church hinges on this issue of "Are we chosen by grace"?, and are we trusting in Jesus blood and righteousness alone for our salvation. Any idea that the "true remnant church of Bible prophecy hinges on what 24 hour period of time you worship God on this round world is totally contradictory to Paul's teachings on grace." I paraphrased the above quote from Brinsmead. He also said that this Sabbatarian idea is about as outmoded as the flat earth society. Stan | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1054 Registered: 10-2004 |
That's right, Stan. The Sabbath was only meant for a small area of the world--Israel. Since the world is round, there is no such thing as a seventh day of the week! But then again, Ellen said the earth might be flat! Jeremy | ||
| Lynne Registered user Username: Lynne Post Number: 266 Registered: 10-2005 |
Well, the Seventh-day Adventist church has a cross in their logo. They use the cross, because they don't want to look like a cult. http://www.adventistu.baznica.lv/en/about-adventist-logo_en.php COMING SOON - More crosses on churches (whatever it takes to look like everyone else). Lynne | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 2273 Registered: 3-2004  |
The cross is there and the flames and Bible meet at the cross, but it takes a few moments to realize the cross is there because it is so small. Oh well, let us keep praying for all SDAs. Diana | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1055 Registered: 10-2004 |
At the explanation of the logo's meaning at the official GC website (http://www.adventist.org/world_church/logo/), they first tell you that the flame represents the Holy Spirit, then at the bottom of the page, in the more detailed explanation, they say that the three lines of the flame represent the three angels of Revelation 14 circling the globe. Then they say, "The overall shape forms a flame symbolic of the Holy Spirit." So the three angels are part of the Holy Spirit?? Jeremy (Message edited by Jeremy on February 04, 2006) | ||
| Lynne Registered user Username: Lynne Post Number: 267 Registered: 10-2005 |
It does have a consistant message. Yes, the three angels of Revelation 14 circling the globe and the Holy Spirit all fit in the Ellen White puzzle/message. Description is deceptive. To an outsider, a Christian, this looks normal: The choice of the Church's logo reflects the core values that Seventh-day Adventists are committed to. The foundation is the Bible, the Word of God, shown open since its message must necessarily be read and put into practice. Central to that Biblical message is the Cross, and is also central in the logo. Above the Cross and the open Bible is the burning flame of the Holy Spirit, the messenger of Truth. However, the Adventist Church knows it says: The Bible and Word of God must be put into practice... (The Law, The Ten Commandments, mostly the Fourth). Central to the bible is the Cross... Shhhhhh. Don't tell anyone. It does sybolize the sacrifice of Christ, but not like the other churches, shhhhhh. What it means in SDA language is, Jesus died for our previous sins, now a person is born again into the law. Above the Cross, the open Bible (the puzzle), is the Burning Flame of the Holy Spirit (a vision from Ellen White), the Messenger of truth (Ellen White). And as we go back to the beginning, it says: The choice of the Church logo reflects the core values that Seventh-day Adventists are committed to. That is Ellen White. So, that is how it all comes together. Just think Ellen White, Ellen White, Ellen White. And you will see her all over the logo. Special Note about Logo: Per the Seventh-day Adventist church, explanation will depend on who from the church is telling you about the message and who you are, and whether or not you are an Adventist, a Former Adventist, a Christian, an Athiest, a Catholic, a Baptist, black or white, thin or overweight, young or old, rich or poor, etc. Take two asprin and good luck! | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 2140 Registered: 11-2002 |
You can go to Dirk's wensite and click on his links. Then go all the way to the bottom of his links and there's a box that leads you to a state by state listing of over a thousand churches in the US that are not SDA that are Sabbathtarian. Most of them give at least directions to the church and a time of the meetings and a phone number. Some go into greater detail about their beliefs. Most the states have at least several listed. California has a really super long list. It really is more fun to read about these churchs in the printed book form because a lot more detail is given about the individual churchs beliefs. There's one in one of the southeran states that practices rattle snake handling to test their faith. The members take a text about the true believers will have a blue fringe on their chothes so they all wear clothes with blue fringe. Some of those churchs seem a bit extreme. There are a lot of super penticostal type Sabbath churches on there, several in the Southeran California. I think the list is put out by the Bible Sabbath Association. It's a real nice organization. The organization does not take a doctrinal position on these churchs. Their sole purpose is promoting their understanding of the Biblical Sabbath. | ||
| Helovesme2 Registered user Username: Helovesme2 Post Number: 398 Registered: 8-2004  |
I've heard SDAs state that of course the cross is central! That's why it can't also be the end! In SDA soteriology it is in the middle of the process, with the Investigative Judgment, the Day of Atonement, and the Scapegoat at the end. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 3346 Registered: 12-2003  |
Ah, the games we play with words! It's not surprising that evil would produce profound deception with wordsóafter all, the reality it tries to obscure is The Word. Colleen | ||
| Dinolf Registered user Username: Dinolf Post Number: 34 Registered: 8-2005 |
Jeremy, Colleen et. al. When i time was the It is weitten aid published? /D | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1057 Registered: 10-2004 |
Dinolf, I don't remember the date of the Pacific Union Recorder that I saw it in, but it was sometime in 2005. Looking at the covers on their website, I think it was the September, 2005 issue (Volume 105, Issue 9). But Susan saw it earlier in 2005. Jeremy |
