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Flyinglady
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Username: Flyinglady
Post Number: 2278
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 05, 2006 - 3:26 pm: |     |
More than a year ago many of us on the forum gave Colleen various words that Christianity uses. SDAs use the same words, but have different meanings. She is cleaning up the list and will be printing the list in the Proclamation. So for all you new people, if you have any words that you want on the list, it will be easier if they are all together so Colleen will not have to search through all the threads looking for them.
That is why I decided to start this post so all the vocabulary will be in one place.
Colleen, I do not know if you have the following:
Christian: one who keeps the Sabbath and is a Seventh day Adventist.
Sola Scriptura: The Bible only interpreted by EGW.
I had another one on another post, but it has slipped from my mind(senior moment??).
Good luck with the vocabulary.
Diana |
Jorgfe
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Username: Jorgfe
Post Number: 127
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 05, 2006 - 4:57 pm: | |
What do you think of having three columns - first the term, followed by what Christianity normally expects it to mean, and in the third column how it is interpreted within Adventism? Seeing the two definitions side-by-side is very helpful in identifying subtle changes in meaning that Adventism applies.
Adventism (more specifically Ellen White) is like a chameleon. It is amazing how hard they tried to "look" evangelical to Martin and Barnhouse in the 1950's. To the SDA Kinship folks they turn a blind eye -- which is what the Kinship folks want. To the fundamentals they crucify the likes of Desmond Ford which makes the fundamentalists happy. It is obvious that the 1844 Investigative Judgement hits a jugular vein that they simply can't defend from the Bible.
Gilbert |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 3343
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, February 05, 2006 - 7:06 pm: | |
That's what I'm doing, Gilbert. The one thing I also need to add is documentation. I began sorting through the words several months ago and lining up SDA vs orthodox Christians meanings, and Richard observed that the whole thing would be marginally credible if I don't document some of the more bizarre Adventist meanings.
IOW, I have to find some Ellen quotes and printed church statements validating my SDA interpretations. Richard's right, I realized as I began work on this; without documentation, the Adventist defintions tend just to look like my disgruntled opinion of Adventism!
Colleen |
Goldenbear
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Username: Goldenbear
Post Number: 143
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Monday, February 06, 2006 - 7:45 pm: | |
This isn't a new term but just an observation.
One of my favorite cartoons is Foghorn Leghorn (I know I am dating myself now) I remember a cartoon that showed Foghorn taunting the watch dog and painting a line that showed the extreme limit of the dog's chain. He knew as long as the dog was chained and he got beyond his line, he was safe.
I have observed that as long as a person on other SDA related forums, or even in the local community, is perceived to still be attached to the church they can bark, growl, complain as much as they want. If the attachment is cut and a person is identified as a former then the same observations are considered to be bitter, venemous and disgruntled attacks.
My question as it relates to this thread is the following:
Discouraged: Any person who has not actively started "breaking" the Sabbath but hasn't been in church for several months.
Backslider: Anyone who once believed the Adventist doctrine and then doesn't attend church.
This disconnect here is that a person studying out of Adventism really isn't backsliding, because they are not going back to where they were. God has continued to lead in their lives and they now have a much clearer view of God, the Gospel and the love of Jesus.
So even though we, on this forum, will be defined as backsliders, maybe we should seek a new definition.
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Colleentinker
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Post Number: 3353
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 06, 2006 - 11:24 pm: | |
Goldenbear, really good observations. You are so right about being considered backsliders and even "apostate". Wow.
Colleen |
Belvalew
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Username: Belvalew
Post Number: 930
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 07, 2006 - 12:35 am: | |
I agree with Goldenbear. We need to come up with a term that more completely states our condition with Christ. I'm not ashamed to say that Adventists consider me to have apostacized from their church, because I have, but the plane that I have achieved as a result is so much better that there really is no way to measure it. We have truly Discipled With Christ, and no matter what denomination we belong to now, and we here represent several, we have finally made acquaintance with Jesus, with his love, with his justice, and with his redemption. We are at last eyes-wide-open, giddy with hope and desire for our Lord. Please, everyone, let's find a true way to describe outselves. |
Anotherseeker
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Username: Anotherseeker
Post Number: 39
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 07, 2006 - 8:41 am: | |
Might be applicable...might not
Last year i was in receipt of the quarterly lesson book as sent unsolicited by my parents.
I read it for a couple months or so but i just find the daily reading of it to be too religious.
I did not throw it away but one day i thought i should remove it from my pile of Bible's that i keep next to me{not calling it a Bible i just had it in a pile WITH my various versions of the Bible}
Something told me to just rummage through some pages to see what they had been studying lately and my eye caught a lesson on PREDICTIONS OF THE END which i thought i would look at.
I really believe that God wanted me to see that page because this is what i read to my horror
and i quote:" Our very name, Adventists,proclaims to the world that we believe Jesus is coming again. Indeed,we are Adventists because Jesus was an Adventist.
Now i see how you could argue this one away by saying that it does not say he was a SEVENTH day Adventist but i see a cleverly interwoven comment in that passage.
It is to me a subtly dangerous statement!
Maybe no one will agree..but it stopped me in my tracks when i read it.
Taken from Bible Study Guide first and second quarter /2005 Page190 2nd paragraph |
Jorgfe
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Username: Jorgfe
Post Number: 129
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 07, 2006 - 9:28 am: | |
Anotherseeker -- I'll bet you didn't know that Adventism dates back to before "The Flood".
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/clt4/egw-art8.htm
"Enoch was an Adventist. He directed the minds of men forward to the great day of God, when Christ will come the second time, to judge every man's work." by Ellen White, The Signs of the Times, October 12, 1904 |
Jeremy
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Username: Jeremy
Post Number: 1060
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 07, 2006 - 10:42 am: | |
Anotherseeker, I agree with you! It is a horribly arrogant (and blasphemous, considering they're a false religion) statement.
Take a look at the following thread that I posted about a year ago, with links to audio clips of GC-employed SDA "evangelist" Frank Gonzalez saying in a sermon that "God" is "an Adventist god," and that Adam and Eve were Adventist!
http://rtinker.powweb.com/discus/discus/messages/11/2658.html?1107405754
He sounds very creepy and evil, especially when he does his arrogant little laugh and when he says that the "Adventist god" wants me and is waiting for me. Well, I don't want "him"!
Give me the True Jesus Christ any day over the "Adventist god"!
Jeremy
(Message edited by Jeremy on February 07, 2006) |
Anotherseeker
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Username: Anotherseeker
Post Number: 40
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2006 - 7:10 am: | |
Yes Jorgfe i just had a read of it.
The thing is that anyone looking for the second coming IS an Adventist but we know that when an SDA says it they REALLY MEAN {SDA}
AND THAT to me is the subtly of the deception because it's nearly believable.
Jeremy i listened to all those clips barr 1.
That man sounds like fright night!
Where can i hear the whole of that sermon or download it?
I really would have liked to have heard what he said after he asked "But what is the passion of Jesus"?
Love to see how he would SPIN that one.
If you can please. Jeremy |
Jorgfe
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Username: Jorgfe
Post Number: 132
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2006 - 8:45 am: | |
Anotherseeker -- I guess I didn't realize that Adventists had an exclusive monopoly on the Second Coming. I thought that practically all Christian religions believe in a Second Coming, don't they?
Gilbert |
Belvalew
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Username: Belvalew
Post Number: 933
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2006 - 1:37 pm: | |
I've been reading at CARM and just cannot help myself. I must share with you what one of the posters named Willie had to say:
"I am continually amazed at how you guys can't figure these things out, permit me to give a few examples of how insightful ellen was in these matters, from the sda dictionary.
Sabboteur, a person who kills sabbath keepers with explosives.
Sabber, a sword like devise for killing sabbath keepers.
Sabbiean, an ancient person who hunted, you guessed it sabbath keepers.
Sabot, a special shoe for horses to wear on sabbath.
Sabulous, the dirt one gets on their shoes when walking on the 7th day.
These things are so easy if you have eyes to see, and frontal lobe damage."
Will any of these definitions make it into the word definitions list? I really think they should (tongue firmly planted in cheek).
By the way, this list resulted from a discussion of Ellen White's assumption that the Waldenses were Sabbath keepers. The Romans referred to them as sabbatini. Ellen saw that word, assumed it meant that they were Sabbath keepers, and proceeded to write their history in that manner into her "Great Controversy." As a matter of fact the Roman word for sandal is sabbati, and the Waldensean people were sandal wearers and thus were referred to as sabbatini (sandal wearers). All this time we have been going on about how the Waldensean people had sheltered the Sabbath through the dark ages, and all that was really talked about was foot wear. |
Anotherseeker
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Username: Anotherseeker
Post Number: 42
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2006 - 4:11 pm: | |
Jorgfe; They CERTAINLY DO!!! HALLELUJAH!
Just came back from an anointed Wednesday Evening service at the Sunday Church.
JESUS WAS THERE! |
Jeremy
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Username: Jeremy
Post Number: 1065
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2006 - 4:51 pm: | |
Anotherseeker,
As far as I know the sermon is no longer available anywhere online, and I can't upload it to my website as there is a 5 MB limit on uploads. But if you want to email me at whitemountainchat@yahoo.com I can email you a copy of it, if you have enough space with your email account--the file is 6.72 MB and is in RealAudio format.
Jeremy
(Message edited by Jeremy on February 08, 2006) |
Pheeki
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Username: Pheeki
Post Number: 747
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, February 09, 2006 - 9:57 am: | |
Willy on Carm has been trying to join here for about a month...can anyone help him? |
