| Author | Message | ||
| Jorgfe Registered user Username: Jorgfe Post Number: 131 Registered: 11-2005 |
I just received an email about an SDA evangelistic series and could not help but notice how "SDA", instead of "Christian"-centered, it is. It is almost as though SDAs are the only Christians in the Body of Christ. What a grevious injury to the rest of the Body of Christ! Examples: - What Happened to Right & Wrong? Law (He can give you power to keep Law) - Created for Something Better. Sabbath (Follow all the way) - Millions Fooled by a Myth. Change of Sabbath (papacy) (Will you follow all the way?) - So Many Choices. Other Denominations (Invitation to join God's church) I guess no other "church" is "God's church" besides the SDA church? There are NOT so many choices. According to my Bible there are actually only two choices -- God's way, or the Devil's way. And why not just say "Invitation to join God's family"? And there is NOTHING in the longer list of all the meetings even mentioning the Holy Spirit, or the central theme of all -- the Gospel as represented by the New Coventant rest in Christ. I guess the 7th-day Sabbath and SDAism is more important than Christ now? Makes me want to run the other direction! Gilbert | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 3361 Registered: 12-2003  |
Isn't it surprising, Gilbert, how much more clear these subtle but powerful falsehoods become as we walk in obedience into Truth? The clarity only increases. Colleen | ||
| Jwd Registered user Username: Jwd Post Number: 174 Registered: 4-2005  |
Is it (true) evangelism or proselytizing? That is a "no-brainer." I have worked with many pastors and professional proselytizers, from small-unknowns, to the Big Boys and star attractions at Camp Meetings - - and without one exception, the SpotLight, the extra TV spots and Super Sabbath Hand-outs and "door hangers", the full page newspaper ads, ALL centered on "Adam's Mother's Birthday" - - as Chas. Brooks liked to tag it, - the Sabbath! A close second was always that "Mark!" NOT ONCE in all my years experience and many many such meetings, was "the Gospel" EVER given BOLD TYPE or otherwise promoted. It appeared that one night on the topic of conversion, had to be inserted to show that "we are Christians." But ALWAYS the REAL decision night dealt with the Sabbath and the Mark of the Beast. Jesus becomes merely a step-ladder used to hang up the "Seventh-day Adventist" sign for all to see....under spot-light of course! JWD | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 1309 Registered: 3-2005 |
Gilbert, What ministry was sponsoring that ad? Stan | ||
| Dd Registered user Username: Dd Post Number: 634 Registered: 7-2004 |
JWD - GREAT to see you back again. You have been missed!  Denise | ||
| Wooliee Registered user Username: Wooliee Post Number: 53 Registered: 6-2005 |
How very crass, and sad. I agree with Colleen in how much our eyes are opened when we follow God. Before I would look at that and not see anything wrong with it, and now I am beginning to see how bad it is. I am reading a book right now entitled "Breaking the Bondage of Legalism: When Trying Harder Isn't Enough" by N.T. Anderson, R. Miller, and P. Travis. I just started it, but it is turning out to be very helpful. Julie | ||
| Jorgfe Registered user Username: Jorgfe Post Number: 133 Registered: 11-2005 |
Stan - http://www.youngdisciple.com/camps/about_mission.htm http://www.youngdisciple.com/gallery/ybcme.htm SERMON TITLES DVD# Appeal Signs You Can't Ignore: Signs of Christ's Coming 2 Don't wait! An Investment You Can't Lose: Stewardship 19 Make God First! By Chance or Design: God of Creation 4 Incredible love (cross) Why So Much Suffering?: When bad things happen 6 Who will be your Lord? Secrets of Ancient Scrolls: The validity of the Bible 5 Bible can change your life One Life Changed the World: Divinity of Christ 7 Jesus the only one who can save us Born to Live Forever: Salvation/Grace 8 Will you open your heart's door? The Great Escape: Second Coming 3 Come! Facing the Judgment: Judgment 9 Will you give Him your life? Turn Back the Clock: Health 15 Abundant Life What Happened to Right & Wrong?: Law 10 He can give you power to keep Law Created for Something Better: Sabbath 11 Follow all the way Millions Fooled by a Myth: Change of Sabbath (papacy) 12 Will you follow all the way? Making a New Start: Baptism 16 Offer of freedom from sin/follow Jesus What Happens When You Die?: State of the dead 13 Do you want eternal life/peace? Evil in Chains: Millennium 24 Will you fully surrender? So Many Choices: Other Denominations 22 Invitation to join God's church Surviving the Coming Tribulation: Seven Last Plagues 23 Will you turn your life over to Him? The Best is Yet to Come: Heaven 25 Don't you want to be there? See also http://www.youngdisciple.com/Truth4Youth/ | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 2283 Registered: 3-2004  |
The further I get from Adventism, the more I see what it is really like. It saddens me that so many, like me, are/were brainwashed from birth. Many have not found out that they are/were brainwashed. I am so thankful God opened my eyes and mind. I can see from were He took me, but more importantly I can have a relationship with Jesus that will take me all the way into heaven. I can also read the Bible without an interpreter. God is truly awesome. Diana | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 579 Registered: 4-2000  |
Diana, I heard the late Adrian Rodger's radio program rebroadcast this morning. He said something like this: "Jesus is our Savior and Ark of Safety--not our probation officer." Please God! Dennis Fischer | ||
| Jorgfe Registered user Username: Jorgfe Post Number: 134 Registered: 11-2005 |
Diana,
Amen! That is what Adventists don't seem to realize. Praise God, we are free at last! Gilbert | ||
| Lynne Registered user Username: Lynne Post Number: 276 Registered: 10-2005 |
Diana, Brainwashed indeed. I'm grateful my children never got heavily involved in the church. I will keep praying every week. Lynne | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 2284 Registered: 3-2004 |
Lynne, You talk about your children never being heavily involved in the SDA church. I am so glad that God told/directed me to raise my son the way I did. I took him out of SDA school and put him in public school in 3rd grade. I read him Bible stories, right from the Bible. When his Dad and I divorced, I asked that his Dad take him to the local SDA church. I am so thankful he did not do that for very long. My son told me this summer, after going to the SDA church in Little Rock, Arkansas, that what I taught him about Adventism is not what the SDA church teaches and he thanked me for teaching him like I did. All I can say is Thank You God for telling me how to raise my son and what to teach him. So my son did not get brainwashed, like I did. THANK YOU GOD. YOU ARE SO AWESOME. Diana | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 581 Registered: 4-2000 |
ADVENTIST-JEWISH SYNAGOGUES The Adventist News Network reports today that 140 SDA delegates from 23 countries gathered in Jerusalem recently for a six-day Friendship Conference "aimed at building bridges between Adventists and Jews." The most interesting part of this Conference was when various SDA delegates "presented workshops on planting Adventist-Jewish synagogues." Various Adventist-Jewish synagogues already exist in various parts of the world--including the Beth Tehillah Vetikva synagogue near Boyton Beach, Florida. Gary Krause, director of the Office of Adventist Mission, concluded that "This conference has challenged us not only to build effective bridges to our Jewish friends, but also to look more closely at how our Jewish heritage can enhance our own faith and practice." It is no wonder that my Sunday School teacher refers to Adventists as "Christian Jews." Dennis Fischer | ||
| Melissa Registered user Username: Melissa Post Number: 1287 Registered: 7-2003  |
Well, what do you suppose they'll do with Jesus in a synagogue....or Paul or Peter or John.... You get the idea. | ||
| Pheeki Registered user Username: Pheeki Post Number: 748 Registered: 1-2003 |
Don't you know they aren't important, Melissa. It's Sabbath all the way!!!!! | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1070 Registered: 10-2004  |
I wonder if the Jews will buy their soul-ceasing doctrine? The SDAs probably think the Jews should be happy that they are keeping the Sabbath, but the Jews should really be furious that the (mostly) Gentile Adventists are trying to keep the sign between God and Israel. Jeremy (Message edited by Jeremy on February 10, 2006) | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 583 Registered: 4-2000 |
The creation of so-called "Adventist-Jewish synagogues" is yet another deception to lure unsuspecting Jews into Adventism. This is the very same tactic used on Christians when they rent a hall for prophecy seminars. Jews would not usually attend a church, but being a new "synagogue" (with even a Hebrew name) shows up in their community, they may come to see what its all about. Jewish people could not imagine anyone trying to mimic their synagogoue system. It's all about withholding their identity until they can brainwash them. Also, the SDA pastor who acts as a rabbi on Friday night can still preach on Saturday morning in the nearby SDA Church. Jewish worship services are mostly held on Friday nights. Dennis Fischer | ||
| Lynne Registered user Username: Lynne Post Number: 292 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dennis, That is what they do. That is what is so scary about the Adventists. They do bring people to Christ, I think many become saved, sincerely giving their hearts as I did. But throughout this so called process, they brainwash people. Some stay in the church, but many leave because there is not spiritual edification, but mostly spiritual abuse. They strip people of armor. Scary, satanic and deceptive. The devil is behind it. It is a major jolt when you realize you were brainwashed. We must continue to pray and inform people of this deception. Lynne | ||
| Wolfgang Registered user Username: Wolfgang Post Number: 49 Registered: 10-2005 |
years ago I was part of an evanglisitic series,and first it was held at the college for the first "100 wks" ( that's what it seemed like any way) and then the next "100 wks" it was held at the church. When it was moved to the church a lady stood up after things were under way a bit and said why wasnt I told this was going to be sponserd by the SDA church she made quite a commotion. and me being a newbie in the church I didnt know they didnt say where or who was giving the series. I never was a part of another series again because that always bothered me trying to trick people into coming,removing the hymnals ect. very cultic in deception. not only that but I always thought why have these series for 6 wks,when most people cant commit foe longer than a week our lives are too busy,and shame the church members for not coming and filling up the pews.when we should just have a weekend revial and just speak of God's love period! Dawn | ||
| Lynne Registered user Username: Lynne Post Number: 297 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dawn, Once I was in a prayer meeting and the pastor was doing his charts and I remember a guy coming in, he looked new to the church. I knew by his expression that he would never come back. The pastor didn't seem to care. I personally thought they should tone down the adventism stuff and evangelize better. When he was done adventizing (not evangelizing) that night, and we prayed, I remember really feeling the presence of the Holy Spirit as I very much wanted to draw close to God. A lady nearby looked at me so strange. I wasn't making any noise or doing acrobatics or anything unusual. I thought, what is with this place. You draw close to God and people look at you weird. But one hint I had when I started attending Adventist churches that something was different was from the people greeting you when you came into church. I thought it was strange how they always looked for strangers and asked them if they were visitors. They did it in a strange way. It didn't seem normal to me. I almost said I was from mars when I was asked once. Lynne | ||
| Lisa_boyldavis Registered user Username: Lisa_boyldavis Post Number: 162 Registered: 3-2005 |
Maybe I mentioned this already on FAF today, but I Cor 4:20 says the kingdom of God is not about words, it's about POWER. I know the first red flag for me before I understood the clear teaching of the gospel and the New Covenant was that God's Spirit was missing, the fruits of the Spirit were missing, we SDA's were not meeting the needs of the lost or offering them anything. There was not power, and a real discomfort with people who experienced God in a deeper fashion. In my particular church the big deal was fighting over music styles, but God is not a music style... it could have been classical pipe organ for that matter and His Spirit would still have joined us if we were willing to be taught... but there were too many miss-truth's being protected to grow. I praise God I'm free. Lisa |
