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Lynne
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Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 1:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here is that artwork again from the "It is Written Ad" shown on an earlier thread. It is at the top of the page:

http://www.iiw.org/partners/become_partner.html

That picture is in many places on the "It Is Written" website.

Also, I just received notification in the mail of this happening in Scottsdale, AZ http://www.iiw.org/events/

Wow, that is a long time. March 10 - April 8, 2006. Could it be brainwashing?

Lynne

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Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 3:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What else could it be? Hehe.

Jeremy
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Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 5:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Perhaps I am blind, but I don't see the cross (the central theme of the Gospel) anywhere in the picture. Odd. How many Christian denominations would make the old testament ark of the covenant the center of the entire theme? An Jesus is off in the shadows while Ellen White is "front and center". I guess whoever the guy is on the front right with the open Bible is supposed to be Moses equivalent? And nothing in the theme has any connection with the theme, "Ignited With Heaven's Fire." Very bizarre.

Gilbert
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Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 6:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I guess the light (which is being produced by the ark--maybe from the halo of light around the 4th commandment?) is "heaven's fire"... The light does not come from Jesus, He's just off to the side of the ark--so that Goddess Ellen can get all the glory.

This picture proves true what I've said--the Sabbath (represented in the picture by Moses and the Ark) is their god and Ellen is their goddess.

Jeremy

(Message edited by Jeremy on February 10, 2006)
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Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 6:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I just found out that there will be an "event" not to far from me in Boulder City, NV. That is about 15 miles from me. OH BOY!!! I will not say anything else, except to say I will pray for all those attending that they will see what the Bible really says.
God is so awesome. He deserves better than that.
Diana
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Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 7:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I went back to the website and sent the powers that be an e-mail. Here is what I wrote: No where on this web site do I see that it is written represents the Seventh day Adventist church. Why do you not say this represents the SDA church?? I may not get an answer and if I do I will share it with all of you.
Diana
Lynne
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Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 8:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I checked out the "Dramatic Preview" and watched it and it was automatically set to repeat, over and over and over again. An insincere voice, mantra..

http://www.theappearing.com/flash2.html

The picture on the "It Is Written" ad reminds me of a tv program I once saw many years ago with people speaking about their discussions with the dead - a seance. All those people sitting around in the darkness and out there is that mysterious light, the other side where the dead are - I suppose also where some of the visions of Ellen White came from as well.

Sometimes I'm afraid an Adventist (or another deception) is going to jump out at me, like I thought the beast might before, in a deep and hidden sort of way.

I wish I could just get over this fast, but this group does a major mind trip on people. It seems so Satanic.

Lynne




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Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 8:14 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Four years ago the local SDA church, with the assistance of the local conference's "evangelism" fund, brought in an Amazing Facts "evangelist." As head elder at the time, I was supposed to support the effort. I didn't make any effort at the time to reorient the effort towards Christ. For a variety of reasons I didn't feel I could yet "rock the boat", but I was well aware of the problems with the meetings.

As an Adventist learning about Christ in the past decade, I didn't like the Adventist approach of scaring people into believing the Adventist church was the one true church. I wanted an evangelism effort to be centered around bringing people to a knowledge of Christ, but it seemed futile to say that to the fellow board members and pastor because they couldn't see why what they were doing wasn't leading to Christ.

I also disliked the myriad deceptions. The first half of the meetings were held in the city auditorium to disguise the promoter of the meetings. Regional church members were encouraged to attend the meetings to help make the meetings seem popular. In the orientation meeting before the meetings started, we were coached on how to answer questions and when asked whether the SDA Church was behind the meetings, answer "No, Amazing Facts." In fact, I was asked this very question by someone during the meetings and answered with the bald-faced lie just like I was told to do :-( The high-pressure sales tactics used during to try to seal the deal during house visits made me very uncomfortable and I successfully avoided all but one day of those visits.

As the meetings progressed, attendance quickly dropped off as people realized what was being taught. Out of about 150 people who attended the first meeting or two, I think about three were baptized and one continued regularly attending church.

Sometimes I think about how to respond should Adventist meetings be held again in the area. I think it would be interesting to hand out something like flyers from Mark Martin's materials to people in front of the meeting place :-)

In Christ,
Guy
Jeremy
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Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 11:12 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think it would be a great idea for one of the former SDA ministries to actually produce fliers and/or tracts that warn people about SDAism, sort of like the tract on CARM that warns people about LDS/JWs, that Gilbert linked to before.

Jeremy
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Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 1:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I was always very uncomfortable with the deception practiced at evangelistic campaigns. We were coached in how to respond to people trying to find out which church was sponsoring the meetings.

I saw a lot of people receive the same deceptive answer Guy talked about, but I never saw any of them attending once the meetings were moved from the auditorium to the SDA church. Makes sense. Who would join a church that would
a. not tell you who they were when asked
b. lie to you when you did ask?

The low numbers of baptisms at these meetings and the low retention rate should clue them in to the fact that slick marketing and scary high-pressure sales tactics don't necessarily if ever equate to genuine conversions.

Go figure.

DT
Lynne
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Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 2:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jeremy, My husband and I are working on something similar coming this summer. Let me know if you have any ideas. Or if anyone out there has ideas.

Dt, They may get a few people out of them and the advantage of having them may also be in retaining current members. I knew somebody who became a member through the seminars and brought her whole family. She was a really wicked lady. But the seminars for current members make the deception look so real to them. The repetition of their message, and making their church look bigger than it is.

Lynne

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Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 4:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jeremy,
I like your idea about tracts like those for JW and LDS. I am particularly interested because some time this year there will be one of those "Becoming Partners" series in Boulder City which is about 15 miles from me here in Henderson.
There is also an SDA group that holds Saturday meetings at a community church just down the road from me, about a mile. I have been praying about taking the pastor of the community church a booklet about SDA and what they really believe. It is written my Ratzfall, I think.
I do not like and cannot tolerate deception.
Thank You God for bringing each of us to you. You are so awesome.
Diana
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Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 5:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I see I mispelled Ratzlaff. Sorry,
Diana
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Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 9:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Earlier today as I contemplated the picture that "It Is Written" is using, I had one of the "Ah ha" moments -- an ephiphony if you will.

There is a saying that pictures speak louder than words, especially in advertising. Liquor ads will put subliminal pictures on ice cubes, etc -- things that may not make sense at first, but you know somehow that something is just not right about the ad or picture. Masonic symbols such as those in the LDS temple in Salt Lake City (http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/masonicsymbolsandtheldstemple.htm) demonstrate this. The banner picture that "It Is Written" uses prepares their unsuspecting prospects for a similiar experience. Like the Mormons, they may use Christ and Bible verses to try to make what they are masquerading sound like genuine Christianity, but let's dig a little deeper, and see what we find.

Let's start with Adventism's final word on Bible interpretation, Ellen White. What does she consider to be more important than Christ, the Gospel, or anything else?

The official word from the White Estate says,
"The keystone of the whole structure of the Advent movement, from the day that William Miller first went out to preach, had been the prophecy of the 2300 days, with its climax, the cleansing of the sanctuary." A Sketch of Early Adventist History p 169
(http://www.whiteestate.org/books/egwhc/EGWHCc13.html)

We all know that Adventism's unique claim is the unbiblically-supportable doctrine of the 1844 Investigative Judgement centering around a physical tabernacle in heaven and Christ's Atonement not being completed until 1844. They furthermore state that as a result of this and other factors that Adventism is God's exclusive repository of truth for the "last days". It is a core belief that makes them, to the exclusion of all the rest of the Body of Christ, THE "Remnant Church". (See Fundamental Belief #13 at http://www.adventist.org/beliefs/fundamental/)

How else is "It Is Written" ever going to make the leap in familiarizing people with this thinking unless they can bring in a physical sanctuary in heaven and Ellen White "prophetic gift" very early on. They don't have to have lectures on it up front. Just condition unsuspecting prospects to become familiar with the mental imagery -- sowing the seed so when "It Is Written" introduces these "unique" Adventist teachings, they will have been previously conditioned to think everything being previously presented what Biblical, therefore this must be also. Attach lots of Bible verses and make it look like the concepts presented are Biblically supported. The Adventist Fundamental Beliefs do this also. Adventism is not the exclusive repository of any truth, therefore if they are teaching something that God has not shared with any of the rest of the Body of Christ it needs to be rightly questioned as to its real origin.

That explains why the the central focus of the Gospel is missing from this picture. It is not about the Gospel at all. It is an extremely subtle form of mind manipulation and hypnosis that conditions "It Is Written" prospects to trust their staff as modern-day equivalents of Moses.

While Christianity has as its central focus the Gospel and the good news of a risen Savior, none of that is portrayed here. That is what is so strange about this picture. That is why the message and the picture don't match. Instead the groundwork is being discretely laid so prospects will "feel at home" with this new perception (deception). The fact that these Adventist Evangelistic series, such as It Is Written and Amazing Facts, go to such lengths to disguise their connection with the Adventist Church demonstrates the importance of misleading their unsuspecting audience until they can get them "hooked". The Mormons are at least up front about who they are. They start out immediately quoting from Joseph Smith's "Book of Mormon" and "Doctrines and Covenants". I'll bet it would raise some eyebrows if "It Is Written" started out by quoting the support material, Early Writings, page 54-55, for the centerpiece of this photo. While they are at it they could also be sure to read on page 55 where Ellen White says that Satan is in the Holy Place in a physical heavenly sanctuary answering people's prayers, while at the same time Christ is next door in the Most Holy Place!

Viewed from this perspective the odd assortment of composite images, combined with conflicting text, all begins to make sense. It is a masterful deception.

Gilbert

(Message edited by jorgfe on February 11, 2006)
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Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 9:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You are so right, Gilbert. Great analysis.

Colleen
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Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 9:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Gilbert,
I like the way you explained the deception the Adventists use for their It Is Written/Amazing Facts and other seminars. It is mind boggling and if I did not know Jesus Christ I could get hooked in again.
What blasphemy to say Satan is in heaven in the Holy Place and Jesus next door in the Most Holy Place. That is outrageous. And it is a masterful deception.
Thank You God for taking us out of Satan's clutches and holding each of us close to you. You are indeed so awesome.
Diana

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